stashing assets for the 2023 nba offseason

ESPN's Windy noted the philosophical difference in Suns opting for Beal trade and Miami passing. 2nd apron -with big tax and very restrictive rules- "concerned" Heat. Suns new owner thought if "they were going to pierce the second apron, it was better to explode right through it"

— Barry Jackson (@flasportsbuzz) June 19, 2023

As Woj said this AM, Suns offer to Washington was best offer received. That's why Suns got him. Woj said Wizards 5 or 6 2nd round picks received are equivalent to 1 or 2 first rounders. Plus, Suns gave Wizards expiring money. Heat didn't.

— Barry Jackson (@flasportsbuzz) June 19, 2023

*ominous music plays*

*MJ suits up*

lol salute

Suns new owner thought if "they were going to pierce the second apron, it was better to explode right through it"

sounds like the heat didnt want to put lowrys expiring contract in the trade, rather just have it come off the books, or use it to get dame i guess

In attempt to appease Heat target Lillard and build contender, Blazers looking to make deal for vets with not only third pick but also no. 23 pick, per ESPN today. Obviously need great value to move third pick.

— Barry Jackson (@flasportsbuzz) June 19, 2023

I know individual opinions will differ, but aren't scoot and miller pretty much seen as equivalent bets?

seems like the blazers just arent ready to trade dame

such a dumb situation

i am sympathetic to wanting to keep the franchise player for their whole career

I know individual opinions will differ, but aren't scoot and miller pretty much seen as equivalent bets?

i am sympathetic to wanting to keep the franchise player for their whole career

― ciderpress, Monday, June 19, 2023 11:48 AM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

its just not how the league is set up to work, the blazers and dame need to face reality

it would work if they werent paying a bunch of middling players

hollinger actually has cam whitmore over miller

vecenie too. whitmore had some ridiculously low number of passes this year at villanova, i think he's mocked high bc of his age and athleticism. he's for sure a high ceiling, low floor guy bc he could totally bust in the wrong development program (ie hou, det) bc of his lack of "feel".

the big knock on miller is his lack of finishing and athleticism. if he doesnt fix his efficiency at the rim, it really limits his offensive ceiling. i buy his shooting and could see a middleton type role for him, but i dont see him being better than scoot.

the knock on scoot is his shooting (which is not terrible) and his lack of positional size (really just height bc he's very strong

this draft is fascinating bc there are so many high upside swings (thompsons, whitmore, miller) high in the draft, so we could have some crazy variance in actual career performance where ppl will say "lol it was so obvious that (x) was going to hit/bust"

re guys staying with their teams, the complicating factor nowadays that wasn’t present when guys were staying with one team forever in previous decades is that the best guys are going to be getting $50m-$60m per year now even into their mid to late 30s. i think some teams will just accept that as reality — like i don’t see the sixers trading embiid so that they don’t have to pay his age 36 season — but the money involved now makes the incentives on both sides different than they used to be

ive been watching videos on some of the PGs bc i want the spurs to trade up soe of their dozen 1rps to get someone in the late lottery/mid-1st round. i think kobe bufkin could be really good in the nba. his shooting splits are outstanding and he's got good positional size, seems to have a good overall skillset. anthony black should be at minimum a functional rotation player, like a bigger ricky rubio i guess, and if he ever develops a jumper he could be really impactful. im afraid washington will draft him and ruin him. cason wallace is one i like but am wondering if he can anything more than a pat bev type. hood-schifino is my favorite name in the draft and i want him to succeed on that alone.

xp

seems like the blazers just arent ready to trade dame

they'll wait until the perception around the league is that they have no choice left except to trade dame so as to minimize his trade value

jumping back to the beal deal for a sec,

Woj said Wizards 5 or 6 2nd round picks received are equivalent to 1 or 2 first rounders.

this is highly dubious, they seem to think they're in the nfl. i guess with an increasing number of teams wealthy with 1st rounders from teardowns, some of them may be willing to trade down for overseas stashes or whatever... but ime this is not how the nba works, 2nd rd picks are the cryptocurrency of the nba

that being said wiz fans have to be feeling some sense of a new dawn that they don't have to keep trying to build around beal, whatever the return was

also very excited for there to be an nba player named kobe bufkin. let's end our long national nightmare of a kobe-less nba

feel like there may be more of that now that kids born in the 00s are entering the league

you could get a bad first for a bunch of seconds prob so the statement is technically true i guess

there are so many pro athletes named shaq now

Second round picks are more like a wishing well for nba front offices. About one in fifty picks becomes a valuable piece of the rotation for a good team. About one in a million turns out to be Nikola Jokic.

crazy fact I just read - outside of Bucks/Suns in 2021 every Finals since 2011 has included either the Heat or the Warriors. and yet they never faced each other.

hope someday we see a team with a kobe and lebron playing side by side, bringing harmony to the universe

People around the league expect the Pelicans to move Zion Williamson by Thursday, per @BillSimmons

“The Zion thing is a real, real, real, subplot. I had somebody tell me yesterday—that I trust—that he will not be on [the Pelicans] by Thursday.” pic.twitter.com/CXZAgpr2kr

— NBACentral (@TheNBACentral) June 19, 2023

good

gotta be a deal to charlotte for the #2

I feel like Scoot Henderson is going to go before Miller partially because his name is so cool

developing a new orlando magic theory

melo-zion could be crazy if either of them ever play in games and learn defense

2 big ifs!

some pretty major ifs

one might say the biggest ifs

were i building a team i would prob not do it but as a fan i am willing to watch

they prob should just trade melo to celtics

isiah in the mix

NEW: Sat down with Chris Paul this morning for a lengthy chat in NYC. He said he found out about the trade via a text message from his 14 year old son. Cited multiple times that that Mat Ishbia and *Isiah Thomas* wanted to go in a different direction. https://t.co/bGSfNUge0d

— Sopan Deb (@SopanDeb) June 19, 2023

james jones easiest job in the league right now

in some ways, but easiest =/= most job security

In the interview, Paul seemed caught off guard by the trade. He said he spoke to James Jones yesterday. pic.twitter.com/IF4xMI5wCP

— Sopan Deb (@SopanDeb) June 19, 2023

Does Isiah actually have a job with the Suns organization? Or is he just tight with Ishbia? I'm thinking it's the latter, unless something has happened recently.

CP3 is 38. His salary for the next two seasons when he'll be 39 & 40 years old:

- 2023-24 = $30,800,000, with $15,800,000 guaranteed, becoming fully guaranteed on 6/28/23.

- 2024-25 = $30,000,000, non-guaranteed, becoming fully guaranteed on 6/28/24.

Surely he understood from the start that those terms always meant he'd be standing on shaky ground after this season ended, unless he was playing like a top ten player.

i spent a bunch of today driving around listening to various reactions to the beal trade, which was interesting. a lot of the more positive takes make 2 points--1) they aren't any more screwed now than they were before as far as the second apron and punitive things down the road and 2) they turned chris paul, who they were going to wave, into beal and how can you argue with that?

i get these points and i guess it was a very unique situation with beal's no trade and the need to do this now before the new cba kicks in, so maybe taking issue with the on-court fit is missing the point, but i feel strongly that it's a rough fit. when you're saying things like this will help free up kevin durant to put more effort toward defense and rebounding, which is something nate duncan actually said, you're getting a little galaxy brain and not just stating the obvious which is that the suns are spending like 90 million on identical shooting guards.

the other thing is that yeah this team will have a great offense, but i'm not sure it's that hard to have a great offense? the sacramento kings just finished a season as the best offense in the nba, their best player is maybe the 20th best player in the league?

defense is still somehow underrated in the league

the other thing is that yeah this team will have a great offense, but i'm not sure it's that hard to have a great offense? the sacramento kings just finished a season as the best offense in the nba, their best player is maybe the 20th best player in the league?

― call all destroyer, Monday, June 19, 2023 9:27 PM (forty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is very true, and also due to having a playmaking guard (fox) paired with a passing big operating at the top of the key (sabonis) which is pretty much the nugs formula for generating offense.

yeah I’m not sure I see it, with beal you’re committing yourself to more years and sort of capping your medium-term upside for a guy with a redundant skill set. and the amount of passing talent on that team is pretty concerning imo

i bet their offense won't even be tops

their main guys are not going to play enough!

as i understand it the suns are going to be in the second apron for the next two years basically no matter what, then they'll need to be out for the three years after that to avoid the really bad stuff, i'm sure that will have no unexpected implications lol