Missin U <3 - lamentations for those felled by the SB

52 / 4,821 = 1.08%

considering how every time someone is suggest banned a clusterfuck happens and 1.08% feels good or satisfied about it

Considering that this message board was started by someone from Britain and the second and third incarnations of the source code were written by people from Britain, complaining that it is unamerican is really fucking stupid.

Suggest ban is not getting turned off. You don't have to use it. You don't have to post here. Deal with it.

― Lots of praying with no breakfast! (HI DERE), Friday, February 27, 2009 1:05 AM

just WOW.

actually a better representation is 52/(your number of posts * 4,821) because each post has the sb button

"You don't have to post here. Deal with it."

lol mod bullying

it seems obvious to me that keeping suggest ban is not worth driving away long-time posters who helped make the ILX community what it is by saying things like "You don't have to post here. Deal with it."

of course we could just:

No. of users SB'd / 4821

Would that be a useful figure for anyone to ponder?

I just want deeznuts back guys

i can't believe keith/stet coded in the functionality for people to post opinions i may disagree with. whenever this happens, i will blame keith/stet.

boy i miss gabbneb

posting opinions that someone may disagree with is a basic function of a message board. ILX has always had people posting opinions someone may disagree with. Suggest ban is a recent and completely optional feature, which in fact IMPEDES the ability of people to post controversial opinions.

Morbs, you seem to be under misapprehension that the reason people get 51'ed round here is for expressing unpopular opinions. Having actually seen what people get SB'ed for, this is so not the case. People hardly ever get SB'ed for expressing unpopular opinions unless they're an outright racist or something. The main reason you got SB'ed repeatedly was for treating people who disagreed with you as an amorphous mass, unthinking craven Democrat cowards, or both.

It was the combination of strawman building and slathering that shit on with a trowel that got you SB'ed, not the fact that you dared to express the opinion that Obama may not be the revolutionary figure he's cracked up to be or whatever.

And I'm saying this as someone who genuinely has no beef with you at all. The beauty of the SB function, when it's worked, has been to separate the people who learn from it and understand why they annoy people from those who don't, or just don't care (lol Gabbneb etc).

No. of users SB'd / 4821

Would that be a useful figure for anyone to ponder?

what number does it have to be before we can discuss its fairness?

0

jeez curt1s, people do fuck all BUT post controversial opinions all day. they manage not to rack up 51 SB's while doing so. There's probably a little more to it than that (he typed while worrying about his SB count)

xposts.

It was the combination of strawman building and slathering that shit on with a trowel that got you SB'ed,

You state this as fact but if Morb's got 5 sb's because 5 people hate old gay dudes, then is the 52 valid?

I have like 10-15 suggest bans (most of which are probably from threads like these where I throw a hissy fit about suggest bans) but then again I'm nowhere near as entertaining or interesting as the people who racked up 52

I am positive that, of the people who SB'ed Morbius last time, none of them have a blind prejudice against old gay dudes, unless they're hiding it well. Given that I can see who they were and everything.

Matt: The system has done its job, because I can't reply honestly to that w/out setting myself up beautifully for getting bounced again.

(however, people on the Web one doesn't know personally and who express exactly the same views ARE an amorphous mass. nabisco is the King of Nuance, not me.)

Most times I tried to engage ppl in a detailed discussion on beliefs and policy, instant dismissal, "strawman building" or ridicule was the result. Hence, no more.

And in any case if someone did go on a racist/homophobic SB rampage we'd be able to remove all their SBs very simply anyway. (xpost)

votes for the BNP don't count, how very ILX!

(that was a reply to yr last post, not the second one) xxp

the sb debate has been done and all but i just feel like we never really needed the feature in the first place. this board seemed to chug along quite fine and was dysfunctional just enough before sb feature was in place. All i see that it has produced is more clusterfuck threads. Not that I don’t enjoy a good clusterfuck but this one is getting tired.

wtf I've never even considered using it

― 51 is the loneliest number (Curt1s Stephens), Wednesday, August 5, 2009 2:01 PM (31 minutes ago)

uh i realize that you are trying to shore up your indignant argument and all, but this isn't actually true, dude, because as a mod i can see how many times you've SBed people. you've used it rarely, but it doesn't help your point in my eyes when you bend the truth to act as if you have the high moral ground here.

nah, JJ- he's just pointing out that he's used it inconsiderately, which is the real problem.

i think everyone used it at first just for lolz

pwned. I honestly forgot that I used it!

old gay dudes

I'M YOUNGER THAN OBAMA.

he means old in the "old man yells at cloud" sense

I suggest banned myself for lying btw

also morbs re:mods overturning your ban - the mods collectively decided a while ago not to do this when someone got 51ed. the reason for this is that every 51ed person so far (i think) had at least one or more defenders among the mods, but the whole point of the system is that mod biases (pro or con) get outweighed by the posting public as a whole. we do review the bans for any sockpuppet voting etc, but thats it. just saying this because it isnt a case of mods deciding not to override your SB, its a case of mods deciding not to override any of them.

curt1s tbf part of my pointing that out is spending dire endless years of my life doing philosophy of logic, so im not really trying to strike you from the record as an unreliable witness or anything.

nah I do that job for myself well enough on these threads

was there any sort of mod discussion prior to the sb system being implemented or was it just kind of turned on by Keith?

http://flann4.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/strangelove.jpg

"Gentlemen, the time to implement Directive SB has arrived. Prepare yourselves for the worst."

suggest ban feature turned on 9/11/08 - never forget

the whole point of the system is that mod biases (pro or con) get outweighed by the posting public as a whole.

Not as a whole -- 51 members of "the posting public"!!!.. I'm lost for words. It's just ludicrous.

Is that a scene from 51 Angry Men?

and yet you're still talking!
xpost

I thought SB's were introduced to reduce the amount of controversy / fallout when a mod banned someone unilaterally?

tza let the man keep talking if he's talking sense

he can talk all he wants, cruts, that wasn't what i was saying.

I'm lost for MY USUAL VOLUME OF WORDS, mmmkay? xxxp

;)

there's still an argument that 51 SB votes is an insignificant amount?

i'm perfectly aware that i'm begging to be reposted in the likely event of my own future banning, but that's bullshit, and the complete lack of a nuclear banning wasteland even in the face of curt1s's own admission that people are sbanning for lols totally refutes this notion.

Elmo - I can think of two or three people at least who would have been very unlikely to have been outright banned by the mods themselves - Morbs is one of those, ditto Gabbneb and LJ.

What it has done to an extent is a) to allow the community to moderate itself AND MORE IMPORTANTLY b) to allow posters to moderate their own behaviour. I can think of several posters who have deliberately toned down the more excessive, rude, or annoying parts of their personality in order to avoid it. In the past, as long as posters weren't being outright banworthy in the mods eyes, they had no incentive note to be as annoying or as nasty as they wanted to anyone else.

This is why I approve of a feature that informs people when they hit, say, 40 SBs - an automatic "look, you're pissing people off now, seriously cut it out" function.

http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/files/2008/09/000strangelove.jpg

"Ladies and Gentlemen, the suggest ban feature is simple to understand. . . it is credible and convincing."

guys knowing what i now know about morbs i think we should all chill out with some 420 and watch lord of the rings all weekend and have a blast

I think this is a good idea mentioned on Keith's thread:

a kudos/props/Suggest Unban button, with the 51 resulting in an automatic permaban being an aggregate of the two. last time I mention this, I promise.

― N1ck (Upt0eleven), Saturday, August 1, 2009 3:39 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

btw i have used SB liberally and often, usually for humor purposes.