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It’s funny, I swear I heard Casey Kasem mention a lawsuit — or possible lawsuit — on American Top 40 around ‘86 or ‘87. I can’t remember the context, though, if he was introducing a Simon song or a Los Lobos song. But when I saw that Steve Berlin interview however many years ago I thought, “Oh yeah, I remember that.” I thought the lawsuit Casey mentioned might have had something to do with the production, which was all ‘80s-gated-drums awfulness.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 22:49 (eleven months ago) link

you're thinking of this

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/los-lobos-steve-berlin-labels-paul-simon-a-jerk-alleges-graceland-snub/

budo jeru, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 23:16 (eleven months ago) link

oh wait, that's what the LA weekly link says too. sorry, i thought it was something different at first

budo jeru, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 23:17 (eleven months ago) link

Iirc, the initial lawsuit in the '80s was over "Gumboots", which was a pre-existing instrumentalk recording that Simon overdubbed lyrics on and then copywrited words & music to himself.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 23:50 (eleven months ago) link

Graceland has more co-writing credits than any other Simon solo album.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 23:56 (eleven months ago) link

which is to say: I think Simon played it pretty fair.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 23:57 (eleven months ago) link

“Graceland” was one of the few CD’s my family owned when I was a kid - highly enjoyed it, but it’s also massively disappointing how much of it was stolen in some way from so many people - not just Los Lobos and Rockin' Dopsie (who weighed a lawsuit but decided it would be too costly) but above all Heidi Berg, and this is on top of the ongoing debate of cultural appropriation.

birdistheword, Thursday, 15 June 2023 00:04 (eleven months ago) link

But true, in his defense, he granted quite a few cowrites. But I think it still falls short.

birdistheword, Thursday, 15 June 2023 00:06 (eleven months ago) link

XP to Soto

Lawyers were involved., Lol.

I think he was generally more on the level with the rest of the African players on the album, but the Zydeco band who did the backing on "That Was Your Mother" also she's him and claimed an experience mirroring that of Los Lobos.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 15 June 2023 00:09 (eleven months ago) link

Ha, or what bird said.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 15 June 2023 00:13 (eleven months ago) link

But then again...

what was the controversy again, dq? was it that Ladysmith Black Mambazo weren't paid for appearing on the album or something?
― rener, Sunday, December 16, 2001 7:00 PM (twenty-one years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Paul Simon made the singers suck his dick
― Mike Hanle y, Monday, December 17, 2001 7:00 PM (twenty-one years ago) bookmarkflaglink

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 15 June 2023 00:28 (eleven months ago) link

“Graceland” was one of the few CD’s my family owned when I was a kid - highly enjoyed it, but it’s also massively disappointing how much of it was stolen in some way from so many people - not just Los Lobos and Rockin' Dopsie (who weighed a lawsuit but decided it would be too costly) but above all Heidi Berg, and this is on top of the ongoing debate of cultural appropriation.

― birdistheword,

I suggest reading the Hilburn bio, which devotes a chapter to the question of sources, songwriting, publishing, local recording, and so on. At best I'll say Los Lobos didn't know what they were getting into when told they'd "jam" with Paul Simon.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 June 2023 00:36 (eleven months ago) link

It probably should be mentioned that Graceland was a real surprise blockbuster --Simon hadn't had a hit single in 5 years, and a big hit studio album in 10. Going in, few even thought this would be a course correction much less a license to print money.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 15 June 2023 00:56 (eleven months ago) link

that Myriam Gendron records is one of the best of this century

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, June 9, 2023 12:19 AM (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 15 June 2023 01:05 (eleven months ago) link

at any rate The Rhythm of the Saints is better.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 June 2023 01:06 (eleven months ago) link

You don't wanna know what Simon made those Brazilian drummers do to him tho.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 15 June 2023 01:48 (eleven months ago) link

we had a lot of fun
we had a lot of money

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 June 2023 01:50 (eleven months ago) link

there's no... Proof

pomplamoose and circumstance (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 15 June 2023 02:17 (eleven months ago) link

I suggest reading the Hilburn bio, which devotes a chapter to the question of sources, songwriting, publishing, local recording, and so on. At best I'll say Los Lobos didn't know what they were getting into when told they'd "jam" with Paul Simon.

― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, June 14, 2023 7:36 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

the fact that the dust jacket of the book makes it look like paul simon has hair tells me all i need to know about the trustworthiness of this bio as a source

budo jeru, Thursday, 22 June 2023 19:23 (ten months ago) link

Trust me as an expert in other people's trichotillomania.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 June 2023 19:29 (ten months ago) link

five months pass...

Good seeing Seven Psalms on some year-end lists.

underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 02:19 (five months ago) link

An inability to fall asleep in a cheap motel due to the loud sex that a couple is having next door sends Duncan off on a long reverie.

^^Underrated Gear! ILE thread title

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 11 December 2023 02:32 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

I hope this Grammy weekend tribute to Paul Simon at the Troubadour was recorded.

Setlist:
Blind Boys of Alabama, “Loves Me Like a Rock”

Jason Isbell and Sadler Vaden, “Kodachrome”

Molly Tuttle and Ketch Secor, “Mrs. Robinson”

Natalie Lafourcade, “You’re the One”

Bobby Rush, “50 Ways to Leave Your Lover”

Ruthie Foster, “Slip Slidin’ Away”

John Vincent III, “The Only Living Boy in New York City”

Brett Dennen, “Me and Julio Down by the Schoolyard”

Larkin Poe, “Paranoid Blues”

Susanna Hoffs with Grace Bowers, “Hazy Shade of Winter”

Gaby Moreno, “Late in the Evening”

Silvana Estrada, “El Condor Pasa (If I Could)”

Sean and Sara Watkins, “Hurricane Eye”

Madison Cunningham, “Kathy’s Song”

Andrew Bird and Alan Hampton, “American Tune”

Johnnyswim, “Rene and Georgette Magritte With Their Dog After the War”

Marcus King, “America”

Allison Russell, “The Sound of Silence”

Dwight Yoakam, “The Boxer”

Jackson Browne, “I Am a Rock”

Rufus Wainwright, “Bridge Over Troubled Water”

Rodney Crowell, “Graceland”

Finale, “You Can Call Me Al”

Part two:

“Bridge Over Troubled Water” from the @theTroubadour for @AmericanaFest’s pre-Grammy salute to “The Songs of Paul Simon” pic.twitter.com/yx9QqZiw9E

— Rufus Wainwright (@rufuswainwright) February 6, 2024

underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 17:42 (three months ago) link

Jason Isbell and Sadler Vaden, “Kodachrome”

Fitting, as Patterson Hood's dad plays bass on the original!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 18:17 (three months ago) link

That's a great lineup. Would have loved to see that last 6 song stretch in particular.

Indexed, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 20:39 (three months ago) link

Rufus oh wow! <3

brimstead, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 20:45 (three months ago) link

John Vincent III, “The Only Living Boy in New York City, New York, 10003, USA”

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 21:26 (three months ago) link

no rhythm of the saints appreciators among the bunch, apparently -- not my people!

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 21:29 (three months ago) link

(Yeah, I thought ‘City’ sounded odd at the end of that title, wondered if I remembered it wrong, but that’s from Variety.)

paisley got boring (Eazy), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 21:36 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

Anyone have MGM+?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/15/entertainment/paul-simon-restless-dreams-review/index.html

Indexed, Friday, 15 March 2024 16:02 (two months ago) link

The Paul Simon doc, IN RESTLESS DREAMS, is remarkable. I remember before going to work at the mill when I was 18, putting a quarter in the juke and playing "I Am a Rock" and "April Come She Will." Made another 8-hour shift more bearable.

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) March 29, 2024

paisley got boring (Eazy), Friday, 29 March 2024 00:53 (one month ago) link

really want to see the doc!

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 March 2024 01:26 (one month ago) link


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