Cornel West

jaysus lj

guys THIS GUY IS NOT MY LAWYER

my point is you gotta play the ball not the man, saying someone has a 'shtick' is automatically ad hominem, gets everyone antsy. in this case it was clear you were just talking about punch-down stand-up, but in the same breath claiming without basis that (i paraphrase) 'most stand-up is this' whereas the real picture is much more complicated clearly, deems made the valid point that often on nu-ilx, guilt by association is a powerful vibe, safer to throw the baby out and so on, then had a bit of a yuck with wins, def all just a bit of light eyerolling, nobody got hurt

also i call to the stand uh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNyrYiljeIw

dm — commonly known as “dagz” — is an essential part of what makes ilx ilx. You can’t “not like his schtick” and still like the site imo

On the point of standup comedy though, I actually disagree with him. I think it sucks.

it usually does but then you see neil hamburger and you realise it can be the greatest of all artforms

One of my students said I should do standup after I told a funny anecdote and I gave them a detention

I was making a joke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkG4oIPT7tU

pretty funny wins, maybe you should try stand-up comedy?

Not with this crowd

i found it an interesting sentiment that did dig at something at the heart of where ilx has been heading for a good while

Interesting dmac, I think these kinds of analyses are always shaped not just by the place but also by where the analyser is mentally at. I've always found ILX a place that tends towards the negative*, mostly because it's always been populated by intelligent, prickly, critical types, and as such cannot really relate to the idea that it's been "heading for" this as opposed to always having been there. ILM I think was def more positive in the 00's - the poptimists get a lot of flack, but they were very good at getting collectively excited about a new release, or perhaps I was just less jaded then. UK politics threads obviously less negative during the Corbyn years, tbf the only positivity I can bring to that subject currently is deeds not words - i.e. mutual aid and activism can still produce a positive charge but discussion not so much. Anyway I think there's plenty of pockets of positivity - mostly on lit and niche music threads, the "your current five" thread is an oasis of positivity, ppl are really happy about that new spidey film.

* this is less of a diss than it might seem tbf - I've also been in online communities that tend very militantly towards positivity and frankly after a while the smarminess and hostility to critical thought can get unbearable

I think these kinds of analyses are always shaped not just by the place but also by where the analyser is mentally at.

tbc this is more me giving the disclaimer that I am in a much more chill place mentally in current ILX than I was when reading it in the 00's rather than trying to psychoanalyse you

no, good post and fair points

otoh “your current tight five” thread nothing but negativity

Wouldn't say ILX is that nasty either (not me though).

This place is chill as fuck compared to the rest of the internet and rather supportive!

Yeah, it's cool here. A bunch of white people can take over a thread about a black intellectual and talk about their posting issues.

Once every few months I remember that Cornel West was in the Matrix sequels playing himself ("Councilor West"): pic.twitter.com/1EWmYkPrr1

— Ben Burgis (@BenBurgis) June 7, 2023

my point is you gotta play the ball not the man

the opposite is true. play the man not the puck

saying someone has a 'shtick' is automatically ad hominem

no

lmao President Keyes

he's the guy who created the Classic Learning Test

Looks like Cornel is on the board there so thats probably the connection

West has decided not to run with the people's party, eyeing a green party bid instead it seems.