I've been cherry-picking trax from poseiden, islands, & lizard lately. oh man "formentera lady"
― m coleman, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 01:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Saw Belew's power trio live at the start of the year (went with the bf and with Autumn Almanac) and he was bloody marvellous. He still does a heap of Crimson songs too.
― My boss say I can't not do this (Trayce), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 01:57 (fourteen years ago) link
funnily enough I got this email
40th Anniversary EditionsIn 1969 King Crimson's debut album was unleashed upon an unsuspecting public. Its release marked the beginning of a lengthy but unconventional career which has confounded expectations, transgressed boundaries and has kept fans and critics alike on their toes. To celebrate 40 years of the Crimson Kings, DGM & Panegyric proudly announce the release of a series of CD/DVD-A editions of the original King Crimson studio albums. http://www.dgmlive.com/news.htm?entry=2529Each CD/DVD-A release features the full original album plus bonus tracks on the CD. Two of the titles – Lizard & In the Court of the Crimson King feature entirely new 2009 stereo album mixes by Steven Wilson & Robert Fripp.The DVD-A presents each album fully remixed into stunning 5.1 Surround Sound with Steven Wilson (Porcupine Tree) in the producer role and King Crimson founder member Robert Fripp as executive producer.The first three titles are set for release this year with further titles to follow throughout 2010:Red: September 21st 2009In the Court of the Crimson King: October 12th 2009 (various editions)Lizard: October 26th 2009The (re)construction of a vintage Frippertronics gigAlex "Stormy" Mundy has pieced together a stunning Frippertronics from 1981. "I managed to sync up the solos with the loops which were on separate reels" says Alex. "The only guide that I had was that you could hear the loops from Robert's guitar pickup when he wasn’t soloing." Fripp's soloing has a blistering urgency to it and the results (both sonically and musically) are devastatingly good. An absolute must-have for Frippertronics fans. http://www.dgmlive.com/archive.htm?artist=25&show=1662Disengage Online EPIn the run-up to the recording of Exposure in 1977, Robert Fripp asked John Wetton and Phil Collins to join him in the studio to try out track he was working on.Consisting of four different takes of the same track, we get to hear the anatomy of Disengage as it begins to breath and stretch. It's interesting to hear each musician trying out little experiments, pockets, retreats and chancing the occasional headlong thrust as the temperature rises or the inclination takes them.Not all of it us quite yet under their fingertips so we hear the musicians listening to the parts, their own groove, and the others in the room - though not always in that order. And how about that brief break-out solo from Robert on version 2. Phew! Never mind what might have been - here it is!At only $2 FLAC / $1 mp3 for over 12 minutes worth of music you’d be mad not to download this one.http://www.dgmlive.com/archive.htm?artist=22&show=1666The Mincer RestoredKing CrimsonLive in ZurichNovember 15, 1973When the track The Mincer appeared on Starless & Bible Black it represented a new way of approaching the process for Crimson; taking live improvisations and then editing and over-dubbing new parts to create an interesting hybrid.In an exclusive interview, Crimson violinist David Cross talks about this approach in the liner notes to this concert.Although parts of this show recorded at Zurich’s Volkhaus on the 15th November 1973 have been previously released on disc 4 of The Great Deceiver box set, this is the first time the entire performance that night has seen the light of day.Using bootleg sources to restore that section of the gig originally excised to create The Mincer, David Singleton and Alex Mundy have recreated an evening of music which underscores Crimson’s reputation as one of the classic must-see live acts of the 70s.This double album is available for pre-order now at DGMLivehttps://www.dgmlive.com/shop/cgi-bin/shoplink.cgi?id=1097
To celebrate 40 years of the Crimson Kings, DGM & Panegyric proudly announce the release of a series of CD/DVD-A editions of the original King Crimson studio albums. http://www.dgmlive.com/news.htm?entry=2529
Each CD/DVD-A release features the full original album plus bonus tracks on the CD. Two of the titles – Lizard & In the Court of the Crimson King feature entirely new 2009 stereo album mixes by Steven Wilson & Robert Fripp.
The DVD-A presents each album fully remixed into stunning 5.1 Surround Sound with Steven Wilson (Porcupine Tree) in the producer role and King Crimson founder member Robert Fripp as executive producer.
The first three titles are set for release this year with further titles to follow throughout 2010:
Red: September 21st 2009In the Court of the Crimson King: October 12th 2009 (various editions)Lizard: October 26th 2009
The (re)construction of a vintage Frippertronics gigAlex "Stormy" Mundy has pieced together a stunning Frippertronics from 1981. "I managed to sync up the solos with the loops which were on separate reels" says Alex. "The only guide that I had was that you could hear the loops from Robert's guitar pickup when he wasn’t soloing." Fripp's soloing has a blistering urgency to it and the results (both sonically and musically) are devastatingly good. An absolute must-have for Frippertronics fans. http://www.dgmlive.com/archive.htm?artist=25&show=1662
Disengage Online EPIn the run-up to the recording of Exposure in 1977, Robert Fripp asked John Wetton and Phil Collins to join him in the studio to try out track he was working on.
Consisting of four different takes of the same track, we get to hear the anatomy of Disengage as it begins to breath and stretch. It's interesting to hear each musician trying out little experiments, pockets, retreats and chancing the occasional headlong thrust as the temperature rises or the inclination takes them.
Not all of it us quite yet under their fingertips so we hear the musicians listening to the parts, their own groove, and the others in the room - though not always in that order. And how about that brief break-out solo from Robert on version 2. Phew! Never mind what might have been - here it is!
At only $2 FLAC / $1 mp3 for over 12 minutes worth of music you’d be mad not to download this one.http://www.dgmlive.com/archive.htm?artist=22&show=1666
The Mincer RestoredKing CrimsonLive in ZurichNovember 15, 1973
When the track The Mincer appeared on Starless & Bible Black it represented a new way of approaching the process for Crimson; taking live improvisations and then editing and over-dubbing new parts to create an interesting hybrid.
In an exclusive interview, Crimson violinist David Cross talks about this approach in the liner notes to this concert.
Although parts of this show recorded at Zurich’s Volkhaus on the 15th November 1973 have been previously released on disc 4 of The Great Deceiver box set, this is the first time the entire performance that night has seen the light of day.
Using bootleg sources to restore that section of the gig originally excised to create The Mincer, David Singleton and Alex Mundy have recreated an evening of music which underscores Crimson’s reputation as one of the classic must-see live acts of the 70s.
This double album is available for pre-order now at DGMLivehttps://www.dgmlive.com/shop/cgi-bin/shoplink.cgi?id=1097
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 04:28 (fourteen years ago) link
That Mincer disc sounds possibly interesting. DGMlive.com doesn't seem to be functional however.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 06:01 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm going for another look at Fopp today, so I'll let you know if Discipline is there pfunkboy.
― krakow, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 08:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Yes, Discipline is there.
I am now listening to "In The Court Of The Crimson King". I shall be proceeding in discography order.
― krakow, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link
I'd say if you ever hit an album that puts you off or that you don't like, go ahead an move onto the next one because they're very rarely consistent for a long period of time (well this is true for the first four or five anyway; I basically mean, "don't let Lizard put you off')
― akm, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Haha, my friend just said pretty much the same thing to me, but with Islands instead of Lizard.
― krakow, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 22:43 (fourteen years ago) link
id avoid both for now
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link
I give you a total pass for getting off the wagon after Thrak though
― akm, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 23:15 (fourteen years ago) link
3 people disaree with you
The ConstruKction of Light (2000) 3
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 23:19 (fourteen years ago) link
been meaning lately to hear the stuff between the debut and the settling down into the bruford/wetton/cross/fripp lineup
'frame by frame' is proving surprisingly earworm-ish lately, despite my only having heard it twice. it's kind of annoying, actually.
― thomp, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 23:24 (fourteen years ago) link
also, i know it's been said on this board more than once lately, but i did listen to another green world lately, and fripps appearances on that is kind of sublime. & probably what convinced me he's a genuinely valuable musical intelligence, and not just a bunch of chops on a stool
― thomp, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 23:26 (fourteen years ago) link
I'd say if you ever hit an album that puts you off or that you don't like, go ahead an move onto the next one because they're very rarely consistent for a long period of time (well this is true for the first four or five anyway; I basically mean, "don't let Lizard put you off')― akm, Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:39 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
listen to every single studio album king crimson ever made. that's the only advice I can give you. any other advice would be wrong... even their weakest albums have 1 or 3 tracks worth listening to.
king crimson is so patchy. their albums are usually a mix of klunkers and gems. it's true that the albums I listen to least are 90's and beyond.. but that just means there is a larger klunker to gem ratio.
― CaptainLorax, Thursday, 6 August 2009 00:05 (fourteen years ago) link
It kinda sucks that you are just now getting into King Crimson before the next batch of remasters come out Krakow.. but I understand
― CaptainLorax, Thursday, 6 August 2009 00:07 (fourteen years ago) link
the last batch of remasters sounded very, very good though, good enough that I'm not that tempted by the new ones since I dont' do surround.
― akm, Thursday, 6 August 2009 00:21 (fourteen years ago) link
'frame by frame' is proving surprisingly earworm-ish lately
I get that a lot from that song. From a lot of the tracks on Discpline and 3 of a perfect pair, actually - Sleepless also gets stuck in my mind a lot.
― My boss say I can't not do this (Trayce), Thursday, 6 August 2009 00:32 (fourteen years ago) link
In fact hell I think I'll put Discipline on my headphones right now.
I just assumed there was going to be something more to the remasters than just surround when I was reading Fripp's diaries like this one.
or this from that e-mail that was posted a little bit above: "Each CD/DVD-A release features the full original album plus bonus tracks on the CD. Two of the titles – Lizard & In the Court of the Crimson King feature entirely new 2009 stereo album mixes by Steven Wilson & Robert Fripp."
― CaptainLorax, Thursday, 6 August 2009 00:37 (fourteen years ago) link
haha i am now listening to discipline also
it kind of confirms what i felt when i heard 'frame by frame' in the other thread, that as a group they were interested in the sorts of new noises made available by the advances in technology of the time - ott digital fx, chapman stick, bruford mic'd differently, er adrian belew - but didn't really know what to do with them - the elephant/mouse/whatever noises on 'elephant talk' are pretty awesome noises, but they kind of show up and go 'look, we can make this noise' rather than musically going anywhere with them
― thomp, Thursday, 6 August 2009 01:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah Belew was a bit guilty of that "lol elephants, listen" thing with his guitar for a while there.
On youtube there's some japanese ads for Maxell or TDK or some shit where he's making said animal noises and there's real elephants and whatever looking puzzled while he goofs around in front of them like he usually does. Its endearingly bizzare.
― My boss say I can't not do this (Trayce), Thursday, 6 August 2009 05:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Regarding the forthcoming reissues, I had a brief think before realising that fancy surround sound and DVD Audio gubbins doesn't interest me at all, so I'll happily rather take the previous lot of straight CD remasters for a fiver than wait a couple of months and pay top whack for a freshly minted bunch.
― krakow, Thursday, 6 August 2009 08:50 (fourteen years ago) link
I must have listened to "In the Court of the Crimson King" about 5-6 times last night and this morning - I love it, especially the title track.
― krakow, Thursday, 6 August 2009 08:51 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD09qQjHXsw
quonytail!
― thomp, Thursday, 6 August 2009 09:46 (fourteen years ago) link
i am disappointed the elephant appears to not actually be in the room with him : (
― thomp, Thursday, 6 August 2009 09:47 (fourteen years ago) link
if i'd have known of this poll, i'd have prob voted poseidon
― dog latin, Thursday, 6 August 2009 11:34 (fourteen years ago) link
"your mother's quite insane"
― velko, Thursday, 6 August 2009 11:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Seriously though, "Poseidon" might be "Court" part 2, but it's a better album. No "Moonchild" for a start, and "Cat Food" is a fun little song instead. I remember being blown away first time I heard that album.
― dog latin, Thursday, 6 August 2009 12:56 (fourteen years ago) link
I much prefer "Moonchild' to Poseidon's "Devil's Triangle" these days.
― Such A Hilbily (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 6 August 2009 13:41 (fourteen years ago) link
I bought discipline today in fopp for £5
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 6 August 2009 14:02 (fourteen years ago) link
WTF Moonchild is great.
― akm, Thursday, 6 August 2009 14:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Apparently Fripp himself now feels it was 3 minutes too long. But "Devil's Triangle" coulda been tightened a bit too. Really, KC never did make that album that satisfied me fully, which might be the reason I never voted
― Stop wishing death on people just for the cool thread titles (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, 6 August 2009 17:06 (fourteen years ago) link
surprised fripp would feel that way and not also think "construktion of light" was 30 minutes too long, which it is.
― akm, Thursday, 6 August 2009 18:36 (fourteen years ago) link
construktion of shite
― velko, Thursday, 6 August 2009 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link
That album wins the "worst KC vocals ever" category.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 6 August 2009 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah it is totally irritating. there are some good songs on there, kind of (barely). the next one was better. I've said elsewhere, I really wish KC would move back toward the clean sound of the 80's albums or do something completely different, going back to "Red" and rewriting it hundreds of times is pretty boring.
― akm, Thursday, 6 August 2009 21:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Tonight's instalment is "In The Wake Of Poseidon".
Not grabbing me anything like as immediately as "In The Court Of...", but I enjoyed 'Cat Food' and b-side 'Groon' a lot. Just about to start a second spin.
― krakow, Thursday, 6 August 2009 21:14 (fourteen years ago) link
those are maybe the most interesting things on it. cat food is really overlooked, I kind of wish the current lineup would try playing it.
― akm, Thursday, 6 August 2009 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link
the title track is epic but maybe not quite up to Epitaph
― velko, Thursday, 6 August 2009 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link
the title track sounds exactly like a cross b/w epitaph and in the court!
― akm, Thursday, 6 August 2009 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link
the worst thing about the album is the horrible cover art.
― akm, Thursday, 6 August 2009 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link
"Groon" - Boris covered that.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 6 August 2009 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link
I never got into The Wake of Poseidon really. (It's still to this date the only king crimson studio LP I never purchased - oh and The Construkction of Light - I pirated that album). I do have Frame by Frame box set which has all the best Poseidon stuff anyways plus the last disc has great live versions. Not that I listen to the Frame by Frame box set very often.
If you're like me, you'll like Lizard and Islands more than Poseidon. ITCOTCK is the best of the first 4, imo - on first listens the title track was my favorite but now my favorite song is either "Epitaph" or "I Talk to the Wind"). Also "Moonchild" is quite lovely. I like to consider myself a "Moonchild" since I was born slightly past midnight during a full moon in late June.
Once you get to Starless and Bible Black and Red you'll be having quite a bit of fun.
BTW, 21st Century Schizoid man is going to be on Guitar Hero 5.
― CaptainLorax, Thursday, 6 August 2009 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost, I was just wondering if that were the case as I listened...
― krakow, Thursday, 6 August 2009 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Lizard has been the one that's grown on me the most over the years.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 6 August 2009 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link
lizard is pretty let down by haskell's vocals which are markedly different and more dramatic than on "cadence and cascade", and the presence of jon anderson.
― akm, Thursday, 6 August 2009 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link
really? i love it
― velko, Thursday, 6 August 2009 22:45 (fourteen years ago) link
Last night we got a copy of Belew's new album "E" in the post, from Tennesee. Bf then pointed out that the customs shipping declaration was actually signed by Adrian himself.
What a dude!
― My boss say I can't not do this (Trayce), Thursday, 6 August 2009 23:53 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, he lives right outside Nashville.
― Hugh Manatee (WmC), Friday, 7 August 2009 01:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Tonight it's the controversial "Lizard".
― krakow, Friday, 7 August 2009 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link