god cardi b has only gotten even more terrible over time.
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Friday, 2 June 2023 14:34 (ten months ago) link
Live MCMXCIII is an absolute dreadful listen, except for "Coyote" (the one new song).
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 02:58 (ten months ago) link
Mr. Rain is pretty good on it. But yeah, latter day Reed doing those classics just doesn’t work for me.
― Cow_Art, Tuesday, 13 June 2023 03:01 (ten months ago) link
same... I feel like this is the consensus opinion?
― broken breakbeat (sleeve), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 03:03 (ten months ago) link
“coyote” does totally rule
― brimstead, Tuesday, 13 June 2023 03:03 (ten months ago) link
“Hey Mr. Rain” is easily my favorite thing on it, and it’s too bad (though understandable — the kids wanna hear the hits) that they didn’t do more extended improvisations on that tour. “Coyote” isn’t bad either, and Cale does a surprisingly fine job with “All Tomorrow’s Parties,” but Lou’s SHINYSHINYSHINY. SHINYBOOTSOFLEATHER. is just embarrassing.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 03:20 (ten months ago) link
It's a dreadful listen, but the deluxe CD version, with that soft padded case like one of those waterproof books for 10 month olds, with the dayglo banana stickers is one of my favorite fancy CD versions. Its kind of amazing, really, that the VELVET UNDERGROUND REUNITED in the 90s but since it was so bad most normal VU listeners have literally no idea.
― Reeves Gabrels' Funko Pop (majorairbro), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 03:25 (ten months ago) link
Yeah, the reunion also went unmentioned (despite some brief footage) in the documentary and, surprisingly, in the 500 Songs podcast episode on the Velvets. I think more casual Velvets fans are aware of Squeeze than the reunion.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 03:31 (ten months ago) link
since it was so bad most normal VU listeners have literally no idea.This also may go without saying, but as the tour didn’t survive past the European dates, it made little impression on most US fans.
― Day 1 fan (morrisp), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 04:55 (ten months ago) link
I saw them on that tour - which is probably why I've never bothered listening to Live MCMXCIII. Does anyone actually like that album?
― Renaissance of the Celtic Trumpet (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 06:45 (ten months ago) link
I just checked out some of the ‘93 footage, and instrumentally it’s not bad; in fact, it’s pretty good. The crapulence of it is almost entirely down to Lou’s singing. His voice obviously can’t do what it used to, but it’s his phrasing that fucks everything up.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 11:46 (ten months ago) link
I quite liked "Afterhours" and I got a little lump every time I hear this Cale-Moe lineup tearing into "Sister Jane."
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 11:52 (ten months ago) link
Don't you mean "Sweet Ray"?
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 13 June 2023 11:53 (ten months ago) link
I meant "All Tomorrow's Sunday"
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 11:58 (ten months ago) link
Yes, the gig I went to was fine but for Lou's inability/reluctance to sing anything remotely resembling the original tracks, unfortunately that was a VERY big but! His guitar playing was great though!
― Renaissance of the Celtic Trumpet (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 12:22 (ten months ago) link
OOOH baby Jane she is a CLERK
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 12:33 (ten months ago) link
Lou Reed saysI’ve come to hate my body (of work)
― professional window (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 15:12 (ten months ago) link
The current, highly lauded Arthur Russell release, is barrel scraping.
― Gerard Grisey Funk (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 17:02 (nine months ago) link
Tangerine Dream's greatest work is the Risky Business soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t19pVyWzEZo
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 17:05 (nine months ago) link
I controversially agree
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 17:05 (nine months ago) link
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 19:02 (nine months ago) link
I stopped paying attention years ago, too, but critics were going ape over this--five starts in Mojo, BNM in Pitchfork, etc.
― Gerard Grisey Funk (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 19:06 (nine months ago) link
stars
in terms of post-2010 releases Iowa Dream is very good, but I have to agree with Boring about the new one. I was disappointed after the high praise on the AR thread
― rob, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 19:08 (nine months ago) link
I'm generally not a fan of anyone's scribblings and demos.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 19:08 (nine months ago) link
me neither generally, though Russell is something of a special case in that regard
― rob, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 19:10 (nine months ago) link
while i think most of the posthumous AR releases have been quality, my favorite stuff of his *by far* is what he released during his lifetime (WoE, Tower of Meaning, various disco tracks).
haven't heard the new one- i'm saving it for my next walk to the beach through the country- but on the basis of the preview tracks on bandcamp, the high praise surprised me very much.
WoE itself is the record that's meant the most to me in the last 5-10 years of my life, and i don't remember the praise for it being so effusive when it was reissued.
― Deflatormouse, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 19:20 (nine months ago) link
i mean what is even the idea of a "proper" arthur russell discography mean? it's all kind of a puzzle
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 19:20 (nine months ago) link
― Deflatormouse, Tuesday, July 18, 2023 3:20 PM (eleven minutes ago)
that's interesting. ime WoE is the consensus masterpiece, though I think we've discussed elsewhere on ilm that for some younger listeners the LIOM material is best known
― rob, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 19:35 (nine months ago) link
Calling Out Of Context/Love Is Overtaking Me/Sketches For World Of Echo > Iowa Dream/Corn/Springfield/Deer In The Forest > 24-24 Music From The Kitchen and this new one for me
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 19:39 (nine months ago) link
so I think I agree? frustrating b/c I know there's more great stuff in that barrel (Loose Joints specifically)
i don't read p4k really but i just checked and WoE was rated 8.4 (admittedly higher than i thought), Bunny Rabbit got a 9.0
i don't know what this means, if anything. i find these number rankings a little silly, in general
i think LIOM was the first one i heard, i didn't care for it much, First Thought Best Thought was the one that hooked me.
― Deflatormouse, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 19:44 (nine months ago) link
the puzzle thing is interesting, it's not a conventional discography, it probably shouldn't be approached as such. i'm mostly happy to play with the individual fragments, the glimpses i see of a more complete picture diminish more than they enrich, i'm really interested to hear from anyone who's found otherwise. Matt Marble's book is excellent and does a little of that, i suppose.
― Deflatormouse, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 19:51 (nine months ago) link
i'm happy to have shiny new puzzle pieces that don't need solving tbc
― Deflatormouse, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 19:53 (nine months ago) link
hold one up to the light, look at the colors, put it in your pocket for a rainy day you know
― Deflatormouse, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 19:55 (nine months ago) link
what was even released in his lifetime? world of echo I think....some 12 inches like dinosaur L?
i mean to deny yourself "love is overtaking me" because of music business shit like i don't know what to tell you
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 20:11 (nine months ago) link
Some of my favorite Russell jams are on that one.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 20:12 (nine months ago) link
I love the way this ditty chirps and bops like folk-rock Talking Heads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK3Wl3LcOO8
I would definitely rather listen to LIOM than WoE in most circumstances, which isn't to say it's "better" in some fantastical objective sense
― rob, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 20:26 (nine months ago) link
Except for the Thief opening scene.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 20:29 (nine months ago) link
wait, what?
i just said i like the open-endedness of the records taken individually that i lose more than i gain trying to compare them. what does that have to do with business?
and what did i even say about LIOM? that i wasn't taken with it immediately, that i don't love it as much as 2 of my favorite albums of all time? both those things are true.
― Deflatormouse, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 20:31 (nine months ago) link
i wasn't taken with WoE immediately either! i heard it, filed it away and revisited years later.
― Deflatormouse, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 20:34 (nine months ago) link
i was talking about albert's saying that he doesn't factor outtakes, rarities into an artist's work
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 20:40 (nine months ago) link
which in the (unique to be sure) case of russell, it feels like an entire career of rarities and outtakes
but i know what he means, like just the classic whatever meh bonus tracks or alt mixes they throw on reissues
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 20:41 (nine months ago) link
omg sorry
― Deflatormouse, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 20:43 (nine months ago) link
no it's cool, sorry if i came off more aggressive than intended! (to you as well alfred)
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 21:25 (nine months ago) link
you didn't!
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 21:36 (nine months ago) link
b/c you are of course correct: Russell has an entire career of rarities and outtakes.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 21:37 (nine months ago) link
no no, i was just baffled because i thought it was in response to my posts, likewise sorry for my exasperated tone. i'm a little embarrassed haha.
rarities/outtakes/demos/incomplete work in general is a really complicated topic that i deliberately sidestepped here lol
but i'll say that a lot of my favorite pieces fall under that umbrella, probably an outsized amount.
― Deflatormouse, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 21:45 (nine months ago) link
Why has no one mentioned Another Thought? lmfao
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 22:38 (nine months ago) link