Martin Amis: fire away!

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got to admit I really loved Ham on Rye at the time

calzino, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 10:35 (ten months ago) link

"he changed a small part of my life for ever and in that sense he is a great author"

the pinefox, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 10:52 (ten months ago) link

re Gimbel's post:

Psychedelic Furs' Richard Butler also claimed to be reading / influenced by Amis for 1981's TALK TALK TALK lp !

the pinefox, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 10:53 (ten months ago) link

I started a re-read of London Fields - I'm (checks kindle) 20% of the way through and it does seem terrible to me - there's something thin about Keith Talent so far, not quite enough detail and attention to sustain the London grotesque (it doesn't help that his phonetic and syntactical mimicry sound way off to me - doesn't have his Dad's ear); doomy pompous paragraphs; stretches with a lot of Nicola Six, who doesn't immediately seem a counterargument to 'can't do women'.

The sex stuff hasn't really kicked off. I suspect I'll go some of the way with poster Pinefox here, though my descriptive terms would be different - I don't think 'sexual freedom' and 'sexiness' are really in Amis. Whenever I read him, sex = disgust, anxiety, fear, with a kink edge that he's not really reconciled to. So yeah, Albarn's description is barely recognisable as the book I'm reading.

If this is maybe a Nabokovian trick box - everything is from the perspective of the American writer who narrates and cannot treat these people as real - then I don't know, it's in the Ada or Ardor zone of the narrator's flaws boring me.

I'll carry on and see if I warm to it.

On the other hand I am really surprised that the Zone of Interest is working.

woof, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 10:56 (ten months ago) link

tbc I'm not surprised Bukowski was read amongst britpop types, more surprised they'd consider him "traditional reading".

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 11:02 (ten months ago) link

On the other hand I am really surprised that the Zone of Interest is working.

The film or the book?

The Original Human Beat Surrender (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 May 2023 11:51 (ten months ago) link

I mean, the TLOB character I remember before anyone else is Leo Charles. I've no idea how well Hollinghurst captured the reality of a gay Black man and his mum in the early '80s, but he drew him well enough such that I can imagine a novel about him.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 May 2023 11:53 (ten months ago) link

xp
The book - reading it alongside London Fields.

woof, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 11:55 (ten months ago) link

FWIW Leo's sister, and her (woman) partner, and the minute details of their late interaction with Nick Guest, are yet another small part of the fine texture of that novel -- another set of realisations (for Nick) about the unspoken complexities of that family he's only visited once.

In other words, as usual, I think this novel is very good.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 12:39 (ten months ago) link

Confession: took me a while to realize that by TLOB y'all mean The Line of Beauty.

For a second I wondered whether you were discussing "Life of Brian."

Landfill Collins (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 30 May 2023 12:40 (ten months ago) link

Edward Docx, New Statesman:

***

The second time I went to interview Martin Amis was again at his London house in Primrose Hill. He had no real reason to be kind to me that day and yet his spontaneous willingness to give me his time and encouragement was indicative of a lesser-documented quality in his character and, I think, his writing: the quality of generosity. And that’s what I want to illuminate a little here. Now that he has gone. Or, rather, as he would say: now that he has migrated permanently and exclusively to the shelf.

I buzzed the security gate that he felt it necessary to maintain. He opened the front door himself – a one-man essay in how bad posture and a nicotine-squint might perversely signal great courtesy and clarity of vision. (Like his generosity, this oddly paradoxical relation has its counterpart on the page.) Come on in. Come on in. His life, he said, was pretty full and also pretty full of shit – by which he meant actual nappies (he had infant daughters at that time) as well as the by-now brisk and regular dunking in excrement that he suffered at the hands of the British media. We sat down in his airy library with its ever-open volumes of the OED and I thought about asking him to sign my copy of his book, but then decided against – on grounds of faux-professionalism and real embarrassment.

There were many reasons for Martin not to be generous that day. For one thing, his daughters and sons twanged in and out of his afternoon with what seemed to be an escalating series of personal ultimatums. For another, he had come to loathe British journalists. He had already started work on possibly his most repulsive character in a world-class field: Clint Smoker, the journalist of Yellow Dog (2003) – “furiously commuting from Foulness, near Southend, where he had a semi… [and lived in]… a condition of untouchable sordor”. For a third, there was the regrettable truth that the paper I worked for at that time was – at best – a confused farrago of irrelevance with less than zero purchase on his career, standing or future. And, last but not least, there was the undeniable fact that I was insultingly young to be doing anything with anyone – let alone talking to a national figure about his life, times and intimate biography. And yet, here he was giving me the time of day, offering triple-distilled coffee, regretting the noises-off, remembering lines from my first interview, wondering how full Tom Wolfe’s novel A Man in Full had turned out to be now that I had finished reading it.

I got to know Martin a little in the period between Heavy Water (1998) and Koba the Dread (2002) – not well, but enough to risk calling him Martin and for him to know about my ambitions to become a novelist; enough to be invited to the occasional party and to speak a few times on the phone when, for example, he randomly wanted tickets for a Bob Dylan concert. (He loved “Subterranean Homesick Blues” and especially the lines: “Get sick, get well/Hang around the ink well.”) The first time we met had been for the now roundly unremembered collection Heavy Water. (Which, by the way, is casually littered with all the usual gleaming treasures of phrasing – the “highly calibrated insouciance” of a screenwriter called Alistair being a personal favourite.) But that day, the business before us was his life. We were supposed to be talking about his memoir – and one of his two masterpieces – Experience (2000).

I was there under false pretences. I had zero interest in his teeth, his money or his relationships. I didn’t even want to be a journalist. I wanted to be a novelist. I wanted to be a writer. I had spent all my then short adult life studying literature and what interested me was… well, how he wrote exactly, where he saw the novel going, how he turned a phrase this way and then that, how many drafts it took him to perfect his cadences, when he thought euphony was too much, when to deploy harshness, why did he neglect plot and character, what about when style wasn’t enough, what he thought of his literary opposites such as JM Coetzee, how many distinct skills did he think the novelist must have – could these be categorised, how many did he think he had – and why did so very few authors ever manage a masterpiece?

Writers are – or should be – the most perceptive people it is possible to encounter. And he was ever the most perceptive of the tribe. So, of course, he saw through me from the moment he first saw me at all. But he recognised, too, that there was no guile on my part: I was (and I still am) obsessed by these questions. And my somewhat ingenuous enquiries therefore had the virtue of putting him more at ease. He was relieved to talk shop. He was relieved that we were not, as he said, shovelling more shit on the mighty shit-mountain. Later, of course, to become the near-unscalable shit-massif that all but enclosed him.

Towards the end of the hour, in a desultory way – and feeling that I’d better go through the motions – I asked him about why he thought he was getting so vehemently attacked. This was before social media, when pile-ons were weekly rather than hourly and almost cordially elliptical by comparison. (Imagine Twitter bothering with the cost of his dentistry.) He said that he thought part of it was to do with the medium (for him everything, in the end, was to do with the medium) – which is to say that because journalists and gossip columnists used the same basic art form as novelists – writing – they therefore felt more entitled to have a go. A bit like, he noted, how everyone can kick a ball and thus everyone has a view on exactly how England’s leading striker should play or why he flunked that penalty when it really mattered.

The hour soon was over. I felt I’d soured the end of our conversation by panic-asking about his “celebrity”. But, on the way out, he enquired after how my manuscript submissions were going. I said that I’d had a close one – this was the second “first” novel I had written – but that I’d recently had the final “no” from the publisher I thought most likely to say “yes”.

Writing and the language itself meant everything to me then. It still does. And so, I must have evinced some kind of involuntary rawness about the recent rejection as we stood there in the hall. Maybe it felt extra-deflating after the conversation we had been having. Now I wonder if I didn’t think madly that I had somehow let him down. I don’t know. What happened in the physical world is that I just stopped moving for a second and then awkwardly half-offered him Experience to sign. He sensed something deeper than embarrassment and likewise stopped. And then he said, oh, in that case, leave all your stuff here and come and have a beer on the roof and we’ll have a proper conversation.

And that was it. He went and got two bottles and I followed him up through the house and we sat up on his roof garden for the next few hours and we really got down to “it”. And by “it”, I mean everything you can possibly imagine discussing in relation to the central question of which of the novelists and poets had the ability to render the human experience on the page in a manner that was resonant to other people, offered real readerly pleasures and yet was truthful and enduring? And what could we learn from them? Most generously of all, for the purposes of this conversation, he counted himself a student alongside me. Not in a phoney way and not to show off – he was way past that – but because he himself was greatly animated and compelled by these questions. By the end (a few bottles later) we were deep in a near line-by-line discussion (from memory on his part) of the sophistication of Jane Austen’s emotional choreography in the first assembly scene in Pride and Prejudice when Mary Bennet sings and Elizabeth despairs of her family.

He was astonishingly generous. He was astonishingly encouraging. Most of all, he was astonishingly intelligent. Lots of people are intelligent – and lots of species of intelligence are tedious – but Amis’s mind worked in a way that continually outflanked and astounded any thinking you were doing in parallel or response. There was the huge on-board library resource, of course, and he quoted paragraphs and verses at will – Conrad, Waugh, Austen, Larkin, Auden, George Eliot, Donne, endless Shakespeare, his father, Bellow, Nabokov – but, again, lots of people know things and that, too, can become a peculiar form of dullness. No, what was astonishing was the unexpected connections that his mind conjured – each next thought in a sequence of conversation would have been unimaginable beforehand and yet made a miraculous chain of self-evident understanding afterwards. And all of this he was able to articulate with a breathtaking precision.

There’s a great line in Experience where Amis writes about his father: “I wasn’t making the elementary error of conflating the man and the work, but all writers know that the truth is in the fiction. That’s where the spiritual thermometer gives its reading.” There isn’t space to go into all the brilliances (or failings) of Amis’s work here. And there are as many ways to write a great novel as there are great novelists. Coetzee or Hilary Mantel or Toni Morrison or, for that matter, Cervantes: they’re all going to teach you completely different lessons. Unlike Martin (or unlike he sometimes pretended), I am interested in all the different ways to do it – yes, even, as he would describe them, the clear-as-a-mountain-creek-merchants. And, for what it’s worth, I think there is a rebarbative sneer that occasionally corrodes his texts from the inside so that the surface brilliance tarnishes and rusts, becomes brittle. But for now, I want to read the spiritual thermometer the other way round – from man to work – because I think that the personal generosity that he displayed that day to me (and there are many others who experienced this) is also there in the writing. Not in the narrow sense of what he’s writing about – or who, or where – but in the sense of how he is writing.

So, by way of unpacking for the newly Amis-curious what pleasure his best work brings to those who admire it, here are three great generosities that are as alive in the style as they were in the man.

The first is to do with straightforward abundance. There’s a ravishing luxuriousness to all his writing. You get to revel and recline in the great opulent apparel of our language as if it were yours to drape yourself in all along. Which, of course, it is. In this way, he generously returns to you what you feel you have lost by hair-shirting your way through other writers of various pinch, beef and earnest. You feel more subtle in his company, you feel your own vocabulary expand, your sensibility for words is reconjured, your vow of love for the English language is remade; in the moment of reading his best work, you feel richer.

The second is to do with his scrupulousness and precision. Leaving aside macro concerns, you can as a reader always rest assured that there is no other British prose writer who has taken quite so much care over the word-by-word selection that goes into making a sentence. His status as a novelist is mercurial but his paragraphs are still the best in recent English. Most of this hand-to-hand stuff is intuitive for him (as was apparent when he spoke), but he also checked and double checked and read and reread his work until its sound and rhythm and timbre was (as he felt it) perfect. For many readers this assiduousness is strangely relaxing. Relaxing because you know you can trust him; because you never have the feeling of being let down on the sentence level by a cliché, or a repetition, or some other infelicity that breaks the all-important spell of authorial command.

The third generosity is to do with exuberance – an intoxicating joy, a pleasure, a live kinetic vitality that lives word to word in his work. As your author-guide, he is forever delighting you with unexpected phrase-making, with freshness, with ingenuity, with invention and ingeniousness. In his other masterpiece, Money (1984), you laugh, you gasp, you shake your head, you rush towards the next sentence at the same time as you back up to marvel at the last. Think again about the meaning of this word, he seems to urge the reader, and then look at this word next to that word. I never wholly bought his Nabokovian style-is-morality schtick. But I do believe that his work is existentially incandescent only because it is stylistically incandescent.

This last quality – of exuberance and spirit; the incandescent style – is more in the tradition of the poets than the novelists; it is also much more in the tradition of the 18th century – Tobias Smollett, Henry Fielding and the gang – than the writers he is often compared to – Evelyn Waugh and PG Wodehouse. If you combine these thoughts, the figure who comes to mind is the great 18th-century poet Alexander Pope. And, indeed, I have always thought that Amis has a great deal in common with Pope’s sensibility. The way Pope is a flat-out genius with words and in such Bach-like musical control; the way he is unsurpassable as a compassionate-but-mighty-and-scathing satirist; the way he is unable to write about matters of the heart organically; the way he is endlessly funny and arch and sly and collusive and playful; most of all, the way he loves and takes care of his readers. From the opening of Pope’s “An Essay on Man”:

Let us (since life can little more supply 
Than just to look about us and to die) 
Expatiate free o’er all this scene of man; 
A mighty maze! but not without a plan; 
A wild, where weeds and flow’rs promiscuous shoot; 
Or garden, tempting with forbidden fruit. 
Together let us beat this ample field, 
Try what the open, what the covert yield; 
The latent tracts, the giddy heights explore 
Of all who blindly creep, or sightless soar; 
Eye Nature’s walks, shoot folly as it flies, 
And catch the manners living as they rise; 
Laugh where we must, be candid where we can…

Martin would love that invitational “Together let us…” and the way all those different meanings are simultaneously alive in the single line as it runs – beckoning us – forward: “Together let us beat this ample field.” Come on in. Come on in.

Taken altogether these three qualities represent what, I think, is at the heart of Amis’s work: a delighted, forensic, monumental and epic commitment to language itself. That’s the quiddity. That’s the core reason so many writers and journalists enjoy reading him. And that’s the reason I don’t think the distinction between the non-fiction and the fiction holds. Because all his writing is like that. Sure, the non-fiction feels more anchored because of its ostensible subject. And, yes, the bad fiction feels worse than it is because its subject is so obviously ostensible. But really the subject in either case was not the subject; the true subject was always the language – its meaning and its music. And – about this – Amis is never anything other than serious, devout, sincere, interesting, sublime.

On the way out the second time, I was fixed. I picked up Experience again from the side table and this time boldly asked him to sign it. I’m chary of overstatement and – thinking about that day – I’m still not sure if this is a failing or a virtue. But in those few hours, he restored my faith. Writing fiction, publishing, editing, magazines, poetry – they’re all such fragile businesses and yet he was absolutely certain that they mattered, that their power was not only purposeful but transcendent. I soon began again on another novel. And this – my “third”, the next thing I wrote – became my debut.

It wasn’t until a couple of days later, though, that I opened up Experience. Only then did I read what he had written. “To Ed, keep going, Martin Amis.” Such a kind and generous thing to say. The same thing he had been saying to me all afternoon. I have the inscription in front of me now.

the pinefox, Monday, 5 June 2023 16:41 (ten months ago) link

That seems tl;dr. Should I actually r it?

The Original Human Beat Surrender (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 5 June 2023 16:53 (ten months ago) link

Anybody here
Seen my old friend Martin?

The Original Human Beat Surrender (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 5 June 2023 17:01 (ten months ago) link

That seems tl;dr. Should I actually r it?

It was the most interesting such thing posted in this thread IMO.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 5 June 2023 17:09 (ten months ago) link

yeah it was a very nice read, thanks for sharing it the pinefox

ꙮ (map), Monday, 5 June 2023 18:19 (ten months ago) link

What I remember of The Line of Beauty is that its characters often saunter (along pavements) or dart (into and out of rooms) and occasionally linger (over light lunches): all things I think that would have boiled the piss of Martin Amis in the 80s.

fetter, Monday, 5 June 2023 19:07 (ten months ago) link

For all the talk about keeping the dictionary open at all times, meticulously crafted sentences, etc., etc. I find myself as a writer responding much more to Elmore Leonard's famous 10 rules:

1. Never open a book with weather.
2. Avoid prologues.
3. Never use a verb other than "said" to carry dialogue.
4. Never use an adverb to modify the verb "said"…he admonished gravely.
5. Keep your exclamation points under control. You are allowed no more than two or three per 100,000 words of prose.
6. Never use the words "suddenly" or "all hell broke loose."
7. Use regional dialect, patois, sparingly.
8. Avoid detailed descriptions of characters.
9. Don't go into great detail describing places and things.
10. Try to leave out the part that readers tend to skip.

My most important rule is one that sums up the 10.

If it sounds like writing, I rewrite it.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 5 June 2023 19:19 (ten months ago) link

That piece is something: Martin Amis had THREE layers of generosity?! Come on, now..

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 June 2023 19:52 (ten months ago) link

Cheese, guava, almonds

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 June 2023 20:07 (ten months ago) link

fwiw I'll buy that Amis was probably a nicer guy in person than he came across as (and made strenuous efforts to come across as). Who could be like that full time in public and private? Only truly rarefied titans of misanthropy like Ginger Baker can pull that off

Toploader on the road, unite and take over (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 6 June 2023 08:22 (ten months ago) link

No comparison to Pope. Pope was a foot shorter.

Nice piece. 'Devout' is well-chosen. A more generous way to look at the canon-hugging and status anxiety and the effortfulness of his weaker prose.

woof, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 09:47 (ten months ago) link

Lol at Ginger Baker comparison.

CeeLô Borges (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 6 June 2023 11:36 (ten months ago) link

did he become a nicer person with the new fangs or

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 June 2023 11:38 (ten months ago) link

heh

CeeLô Borges (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 6 June 2023 12:15 (ten months ago) link

Another hack tribute. This one was so desperate to get his tribute in he got it published in Norwegian

Here’s my tribute to Martin Amis 1949-2023 for @Vinduet touching on his influential style and unorthodox way of writing fiction (in Norwegian for now but some things transcend national and linguistic boundaries)https://t.co/urs4z2efnI

— Leo Robson (@leorobsonwriter) June 6, 2023

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 18:59 (ten months ago) link

Fixed teeth transcend national and linguistic boundaries.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 June 2023 19:07 (ten months ago) link

Picked up Nabokov's 'Speak, Memory', as it seems a little bit like Amis' Experience. Nabokov writes about his father a lot, though by no means exclusively so. Feels like -- both in The New Statesman piece above and the John Self piece where he talked it as the book for people who hate Amis -- that Experience could be the book that lasts as the white, Oxbridge-educated, middle-class hacks who cared to pay a tribute have been trying to sell it a bit more than some of his later novels, say.

Reading the Nabokov I could see why. Both were prickly, nasty people, who grew up well, but in these memoirs they write about things you are not going to be that nasty about. Get quite jaded about that attitude. Can't you be tender about people you made up?

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 8 June 2023 10:45 (ten months ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/16/martin-amis-ian-mcewan-and-anna-wintour-honoured-in-kings-birthday-list

Amis's posthumous knighthood surprises me as

a) I have never heard of a posthumous knighthood
b) he writes in EXPERIENCE, I think, of knighthoods being ridiculous (at least he says that Sir David Hare's is)
c) if he didn't want it, he can't now turn it down. Or had he already agreed to it?

I believe that David Bowie refused honours. What if Bowie had been posthumously awarded them in Summer 2016?

the pinefox, Saturday, 17 June 2023 10:27 (ten months ago) link

I would also say
d) After Savile died we were told that he couldn't posthumously be stripped of his knighthood as it ended with his death anyway.

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 17 June 2023 10:38 (ten months ago) link

the ‘martin amis faked his death’ conspiracy theory starts here

rick semper moranis (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 17 June 2023 11:32 (ten months ago) link

Amis accepted it, apparently they told him about it last month. & they have dated it to the day before he died because the convention is still that knighthoods don’t apply posthumously (can’t change that or Charles might have to officially revoke that of his hero savile)

So the idea is amis is officially retroactively a Sir for one day and then not, it’s v pointless

Grandall Flange (wins), Saturday, 17 June 2023 11:39 (ten months ago) link

or the knighthood killed him

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 June 2023 11:41 (ten months ago) link

It would be great if it had that effect on all recipients

two grills one tap (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 17 June 2023 13:05 (ten months ago) link

a sudden nerve twinge made charles slash instead of dub, rip martin

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 17 June 2023 13:20 (ten months ago) link

three months pass...

Given that Fosse won the Novel today I should bring up this tweet.

Where, like Fosse, we have some deployment of repetition

Anyone who says Martin Amis wasn’t a stylist is, frankly, an idiot pic.twitter.com/orr7Q0ieLe

— Max Lawton (@maxdaniellawton) September 1, 2023

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 5 October 2023 15:19 (six months ago) link

*Nobel

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 5 October 2023 15:25 (six months ago) link


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