Hip Genres & Musical Styles: Which Is The Worst??

that’s because it’s made for psychedelic people, you are expected to bring your fair share of psychedelic vibe in order to complete the psychedelic experience

That's a good insight, I like that thought

also if we’re talking abt easy rider era west coast psychefelic country rock like david crosby or buffalo springfield you have to remember these ppl were already on the 70s comedown bummer trip before the 60s had even peaked

if you’re talking abt strawberry alarm clock idk check yr ears

Can’t believe I left shoegaze off this poll

<i>that’s because it’s made for psychedelic people, you are expected to bring your fair share of psychedelic vibe in order to complete the psychedelic experience<i>

It was a glib comment in a very long post. For What It's Worth is obviously a 5 star classic that it's hard to understand anyone not liking. Strawberry Alarm Clock... less so.

But if you're expected to bring your fair share of psychedelic vibe in order to complete the psychedelic experience, then almost any music can be psychedelic. I've had acid moments to Swing Out Sister and Cyprus Hill. There's that Banco de Gaia album where Jerusalem rises out of the electronic soundscape. No-one describes Sir Hubert Parry as psychedelia.

I guess our understanding of what is psychedelic depends on time and place. My psychedelic era was the 90s, the place raves and festivals or hanging out around London, Sheffield and Manchester. In my personal conception of psychedelic music, compared with space rock, or Norman Whitfield in full flight, or rainbow trance, or shoegaze, David Crosby sounds as psychedelic as Frank Sinatra. If I'd been in San Francisco with flowers in my hair in 1968 I'm sure I'd feel differently.

But if you're expected to bring your fair share of psychedelic vibe in order to complete the psychedelic experience, then almost any music can be psychedelic. I've had acid moments to Swing Out Sister and Cyprus Hill.

this. I've had far more psychedelic acid and weed experiences listening to Freddie Hubbard than I ever did with Sleep

I’m shocking news weed and LSD can enhance enjoyment of all music, not just hippie shit.

xxp you sound pretty defensive! are you sure you’re actually a psychedelic person, or are you really just an uptight square?!?

my most psychedelic track ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK3APtfqp5Q

I’m shocking news weed and LSD can enhance enjoyment of all music, not just hippie shit.

― ian, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 14:21 (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Not all music. Pick the wrong tunes for your trip and you can end up jittery, spinning out or rolling on the floor hyperventilating with laughter.

xxp you sound pretty defensive! are you sure you’re actually a psychedelic person, or are you really just an uptight square?!?

― the late great, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 14:26 (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Not defensive. Rambling on semi-incoherently = propah acidhead*

* who am I kidding? I haven't done acid for years /middle aged dad/

Not all music. Pick the wrong tunes for your trip and you can end up jittery, spinning out or rolling on the floor hyperventilating with laughter.

― Spandex, Tuesday, May 30, 2023 12:16 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Sad but true. And it's rarely the albums you expect will give you a bad time. Music can be scarily unpredictable in these contexts

Spandyourmindex

xps I think i know what you mean about LP & Mary Ford, their recordings are full of ghosts. It's more paranormal activity music to me than psych and it's on the square side to modern ears. But i could see it as 'mom and dad unwittingly drank the acid-spiked tea'

Not a lot of instantly recognizable tracks but a bunch of amazing ones, especially the first, which has some incredible production from the fake "live audience" at the beginning on down.

this track is so good that it almost makes up for your awful takes on samba, tropicalia and AMM itt.

my most psychedelic track ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK3APtfqp5Q

― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR)

lmao WTF is this? this is about as psychedelic as the mf'ing BEACH BOYS!!!!

Imo something about it feels “hyperreal” (more real than reality) that gives it a psychedelic edge. Like it comes from somewhere else that is reality, but where we have been living just ain’t it. Also, there is some weird sound effect (maybe another guitar track) burbling underneath that reminds me of the electric jug in the 13th Floor Elevators.

Also, nothing is lamer than gatekeeping psychedelia.

fwiw all of my posts on psychedelia here are dry humor (maybe lame humor) but in general i agree, which is why i’m not posting seriously!

i do think “genre x does not appeal to me and here are my boring ass reasons why” is at least as lame and probably worse. at least if you’re gatekeeping it means you care about something. usually when ppl complain about entire genres being bad it just means they haven’t engaged with it (or in the right mindset, which is the kernel of truth behind my lame jokes)

also for whatever reason that “smoke rings” track reminds me a lot of beach boys’ “wind chimes”, which i consider to be their peak psychedelic moment, possibly because it reminds me of “at the watering hole” by louis and bebe barron, for the forbidden planet soundtrack (one of the all time great psychedelic films)

Not at all directed at PBKR but a lot of “gatekeepers” are just fans who don’t like noobs barging in “teaching” them things they already know and calling Oasis “Shoegaze” or whatever.

Surprised (or not I guess) that I'm not seeing Deconstructed Club, or any rap/hip hop like Cloud Rap, Mumble Rap, Backpack/Conscious Hip Hop, etc on the list

Guess they're not hip enough

lmao WTF is this? this is about as psychedelic as the mf'ing BEACH BOYS!!!!

― the late great

hahaha that's pretty funny because hendrix put down both "how high the moon" as being old hat and "heroes and villains" as being "psychedelic barbershop".

personally i think both are fucking great! but hendrix is good too. he was into roland kirk, who may or may not be psychedelic but who is fucking good!

the mary ford song reminds me of kay weaver's song-poem "junkies and monkeys" which is a fucking great song about getting high

a lot of those song-poems you know they're just phoning it in but the impression i get is that everybody involved in the recording of that song really did enjoy getting high

Song sounds hyppereal in the kind of way where you'd have to invent some kind of wacky new space-age technology like multitrack recording to achieve

Surprised (or not I guess) that I'm not seeing Deconstructed Club, or any rap/hip hop like Cloud Rap, Mumble Rap, Backpack/Conscious Hip Hop, etc on the list

I think this is the vinyl record collector/Discogs hipster poll, someone should do a digital era version. Should City Pop have been on this one though?

yeah i like a decent amount of rap but i barely listen to anything after the 70s much less 2010.

^^ only listens to disco rap

hahaha that's pretty funny because hendrix put down both "how high the moon" as being old hat

see, he just wasn't engaging with it in the right mindset. the operative word there is "high"

the mary ford song reminds me of kay weaver's song-poem "junkies and monkeys" which is a fucking great song about getting high

a lot of those song-poems you know they're just phoning it in but the impression i get is that everybody involved in the recording of that song really did enjoy getting high

always a little sad someone to see someone who's really talented but never really made it because they were also really fucked up, mind you. i relate to that kind of thing probably more than i should.

ian - are there private press singer/songwriter records of people singing to their cats?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykxZtuttogc