US Politics, May 2023: May 1 never happened

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Yep!

brimstead, Sunday, 28 May 2023 16:48 (eleven months ago) link

Biden and his new chief of Staff seem obsessed with trying to be bipartisan and centrist, but not interested in strongly making the case ifor Democratic priorities. Just behaving defensively while McCarthy was out there pushing an extreme right plan and then settling for a slightly less extreme rightward “compromise “ that may only pass if Dems vote for it

curmudgeon, Sunday, 28 May 2023 17:11 (eleven months ago) link

More pegging discussion today from an unexpected quarter. David French:

The release of the Missouri senator Josh Hawley’s new book on manhood is the latest peg for a national conversation about men,

Taking Manhood up a Peg by Josh Hallway

INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Sunday, 28 May 2023 18:10 (eleven months ago) link

Dems have never once played hardball to get Dem policy priorities in debt limit negotiations under Republican presidents.

curmudgeon, Sunday, 28 May 2023 19:06 (eleven months ago) link

It's partly bad tactics, I agree, but there's also a point where it's just not being willing to create mass instability. The perennial problem of asymmetrical ideological warfare.

Who’s having a national conversation about men except the ball-tanning weirdos. Sorry you feel emasculated brahs meanwhile we’ll be over here having great sex with our partners.

Every post of mine is an expression of eternity (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 28 May 2023 20:14 (eleven months ago) link

I love the whole "men need a sense of purpose" thing, like "how about, don't be an asshole?" That's a pretty good sense of purpose.

Ron DeSantis' sense of purpose is to be so embarrassing.

NEW: “If she were a Democrat, she’d be on every fashion magazine. … They would be making her out to be the biggest deal. But because we’re conservative, we know that that’s not what happens."

– Florida Governor Ron DeSantis (R)https://t.co/wJb5DNe2Vl

— The Intellectualist (@highbrow_nobrow) May 28, 2023

America's first wife guy President

papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 28 May 2023 21:02 (eleven months ago) link

At least he doesn't call her Mommy. Or does he?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 28 May 2023 21:11 (eleven months ago) link

McCarthy was so wrong, there is a single thing in this bill for a Democrat. Can you guess which “Democrat”? That’s right…

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-28/manchin-gets-mountain-valley-pipeline-side-deal-into-debt-bill

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Monday, 29 May 2023 00:28 (eleven months ago) link

PHOENIX -- Karrin Taylor Robson, a wealthy Republican businessperson who was seen as the likeliest establishment candidate for a crucial Arizona Senate contest, said Thursday that she won't run for the seat now held by independent Kyrsten Sinema.

This pretty much clears the way for Kari Lake to get the nomination.

INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Monday, 29 May 2023 00:32 (eleven months ago) link

Most annoying Senate race ever.

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 29 May 2023 00:44 (eleven months ago) link

Sounds like the IRS reduction is now $20B not $10B, although the idea is that current funding won't change, it will expire in 8 years instead of 10.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 29 May 2023 01:26 (eleven months ago) link

if Kari Lake runs as the republican candidate, Kyrsten Sinema as the independent, and Ruben Gallego as the democrat in the Arizona Senate race, that seems like a disaster to me

Dan S, Monday, 29 May 2023 02:10 (eleven months ago) link

what's wrong with Gallego

symsymsym, Monday, 29 May 2023 02:33 (eleven months ago) link

nothing, I like him! I'm just thinking in a three-way race Sinema and Gallego will split the democratic vote allowing Kari Lake to win

Dan S, Monday, 29 May 2023 02:36 (eleven months ago) link

I've seen people speculate that Sinema's standing with democrats is so bad that she won't take away a significant number of votes, but I have no idea how true that is.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 29 May 2023 02:45 (eleven months ago) link

I don't think that's true, she won her last election and we're talking about Arizona democrats here, I think if it's a three-way race Kari Lake is likely to win

Dan S, Monday, 29 May 2023 02:52 (eleven months ago) link

polling supports the idea that sinema is HUGELY unpopular with AZ dems, but how it all plays out in a 3-way race is not particularly clear. it wouldn't even take her getting to double digits to throw the outcome into a very gray area.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 29 May 2023 02:54 (eleven months ago) link

Lake got 1,271,000 votes to Hobbs' 1,288,000 votes in the last gubernatorial election. She has a lot of support in the state. It just seems like a split vote could easily get her elected

Dan S, Monday, 29 May 2023 03:01 (eleven months ago) link

Lake is so crazy I think a lot of "moderate Republicans" might actually go for Sinema

frogbs, Monday, 29 May 2023 03:01 (eleven months ago) link

Arizona is an outlier in republican politics, maybe I'll give it that, I'm not sure, but how do you explain the last election for governor? Lake is crazy but they voted for her. Maybe her craziness is becoming more apparent to them, but I still think there will be more democrats that go for Sinema than republicans

Dan S, Monday, 29 May 2023 03:08 (eleven months ago) link

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/2024/arizona/

you can just look at the polling rather than speculate, recent polling has it at gallego 42, lake 35, synema 14

Clay, Monday, 29 May 2023 03:15 (eleven months ago) link

ok, polls, yeah that's the ticket

Dan S, Monday, 29 May 2023 03:19 (eleven months ago) link

Or just doompost your way through it, whatever floats your boat

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 29 May 2023 03:27 (eleven months ago) link

senate polling was extremely accurate in 2022 if you throw out all the garbage the Rs threw in just before the election but whatever, just some data 4 u

Clay, Monday, 29 May 2023 03:38 (eleven months ago) link

I don't mean to be harsh, and we don't even know if she's running yet, but she came very close to winning the race for governor in 2022 (within less than one point)

Dan S, Monday, 29 May 2023 03:48 (eleven months ago) link

is your concern that she's more crazy than the average republican, or that she's more popular than the average republican?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 29 May 2023 04:19 (eleven months ago) link

Respect to the data but that polling doesn’t seem to say a lot. The question there is when it comes to a runoff will Sinema voters go for Lake or Gallego? I’m sure they’ll normalize Lake’s batshittery while smearing Gallego, those Sinema loyalists don’t seem too scrupulous to begin with.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Monday, 29 May 2023 04:54 (eleven months ago) link

Guess that of moots the point about splitting the vote…I’ll shut up now.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Monday, 29 May 2023 04:56 (eleven months ago) link

arizona does not have runoffs, winner of plurality of vote wins the election

Clay, Monday, 29 May 2023 04:59 (eleven months ago) link

A third party former Democrat pulling enough of the vote to throw the election is a legitimate concern.

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 29 May 2023 05:18 (eleven months ago) link

Kari Lake did a lot worse than every other Republican governor running for the last decade. Including the (equally?) psychotic Jan Brewer

symsymsym, Monday, 29 May 2023 05:58 (eleven months ago) link

governor *in Arizona

symsymsym, Monday, 29 May 2023 05:59 (eleven months ago) link

And yeah there's definitely the possibility Gallego will lose, but it's better than a Sinema vs Lake contest

symsymsym, Monday, 29 May 2023 06:02 (eleven months ago) link

Around 200k unemployed people exist between the ages of 49 and 54. Some portion have dependents or disabilities.

There are 500k homeless people between the ages of 16 and 49. Almost none of them were eligible for SNAP before.

This is an *expansion* of SNAP. https://t.co/joXnCucRQi

— Galen Metzger🪬📈🇺🇦 (@GalenMetzger1) May 28, 2023

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 May 2023 12:38 (eleven months ago) link

The SNAP changes are nominally extending work requirements to ages 50 to 54. In reality, especially as the new rule is implemented, this is just an indiscriminate cull of a bunch of 50 to 54 year olds from SNAP who won't realize there are new forms they need to fill out.

— Matt Bruenig (@MattBruenig) May 28, 2023

INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Monday, 29 May 2023 13:27 (eleven months ago) link

Florida had *already* exempted homeless people from work requirements.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Monday, 29 May 2023 17:53 (eleven months ago) link

By dumping them in the Atlantic.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 May 2023 18:16 (eleven months ago) link

is your concern that she's more crazy than the average republican, or that she's more popular than the average republican?

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, May 28, 2023

my concern is that she's as popular as the average republican and they don't care if she's crazy, they are going to vote for her

Dan S, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 00:24 (eleven months ago) link

And yeah there's definitely the possibility Gallego will lose, but it's better than a Sinema vs Lake contest

― symsymsym, Sunday, May 28, 2023

no, if Gallego loses it's going to be to Lake, not Sinema

Dan S, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 00:33 (eleven months ago) link

they're saying it's better that Gallego is running than just having it be Sinema vs Lake

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 30 May 2023 00:47 (eleven months ago) link

I'm glad he's thrown his hat in the ring.

I hope either Sinema or Lake won't run, neither of them have declared yet

Dan S, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 00:54 (eleven months ago) link

Lake seems eager for power. I expect she'll run. Sinema loves the limelight and being in the Senate has gratified that in spades, but if she knows ahead of time she's going to be soundly trounced and badly repudiated there's a chance she'll decide to step away rather than go to all the trouble of campaigning like she cares. She seems like a person who doesn't like going to a lot of trouble if she's not being celebrated.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 30 May 2023 01:02 (eleven months ago) link

Her best play is to figure out statistically and persuasively which one of them she hurts more by staying in, then selling her services to the other side to try to swing the election for them. She either gets paid off or a sweet gig somewhere or funding for her new nonprofit, whatever.

Her best play is to figure out statistically and persuasively which one of them she hurts more by staying in, then selling her services to the other side to try to swing the election for them.

That's the kind of thing that could get a person recorded without their knowledge, right up to the moment the federal marshals kick in the motel room door.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 30 May 2023 01:26 (eleven months ago) link

Sounds like a job for Walker: Texas Ranger (Special Assignment: Arizona)

they're saying it's better that Gallego is running than just having it be Sinema vs Lake

yes, thank you. obv any human endeavour would be better without Sinema

symsymsym, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 04:20 (eleven months ago) link


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