idk rattling an ashtray seems a little loud compared to what I prefer
a main reason for that tangent itt was xyz's contention that noise doesn't engage with silence, which compelled me to bring up some fave examples of what is now called "lower case music" i.e. very quiet noise
― broken breakbeat (sleeve), Saturday, 27 May 2023 01:56 (eleven months ago) link
i get it, i just felt like contributing my opinion ... which is that the output is often similar enough that the categorization is less about what the music sounds like and mostly about who made it, what other music they made, what label it's on, and where they play gigs and who else is on the bill
― sarahell, Saturday, 27 May 2023 02:01 (eleven months ago) link
to be clear, the ashtray is not amplified, and the rattling is intermittent without an obvious rhythm
― sarahell, Saturday, 27 May 2023 02:04 (eleven months ago) link
Take it to the cultural studies seminar folks
― ian, Saturday, 27 May 2023 02:05 (eleven months ago) link
yes, the external signifiers and not the actual content'
lol xp sorry ian
― broken breakbeat (sleeve), Saturday, 27 May 2023 02:05 (eleven months ago) link
obv I am fascinated with the (somewhat arbitrary imo) delineations between noise, improv, and free jazz
― broken breakbeat (sleeve), Saturday, 27 May 2023 02:06 (eleven months ago) link
It’s a Venn diagram of sorts
― ian, Saturday, 27 May 2023 02:07 (eleven months ago) link
also sarahell is otm regarding external signifiers like label etc, it comes down to association/chosen branding to a degree
― broken breakbeat (sleeve), Saturday, 27 May 2023 02:09 (eleven months ago) link
thank you sleeve! I've seen the back and forth quite a bit over the years -- the code-switching, appropriation, wanting to be seen as serious and intellectual, wanting to be less stuffy, etc.
― sarahell, Saturday, 27 May 2023 02:14 (eleven months ago) link
This discussion reminded me of Steve Lake's liner notes to Last Exit's Iron Path:
self-expressionists with no background honed in on the music. "Free" drummers adopted an ambiguous shifting sands approach on which nothing of substance could be built, and gestured more than they played, flicking cymbals with towels, rattling spare change on drum heads, shuffling around in heaps of metal junk. The sound of surprise at a barely diverting level, it lost its appeal over twenty years.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 27 May 2023 02:15 (eleven months ago) link
Ultimately it could be a small confusion between five people on a thing that about five thousand people in the world think about so no sweat. If it's a big confusion the numbers thinking about it are still small.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, May 26, 2023 12:18 PM (six hours ago)
idk if i should feel good or bad about the fact i know at least 15% of them?
― sarahell, Saturday, 27 May 2023 02:17 (eleven months ago) link
Good!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 27 May 2023 04:03 (eleven months ago) link
Good for you that you know people, Sarah. Bad for you it means you choose to do less listening.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 27 May 2023 07:03 (eleven months ago) link
You’re listening all the time, even in a coma iirc
― ian, Saturday, 27 May 2023 14:00 (eleven months ago) link
Does anyone want to talk about how to organize my British folk records. I got done with the traditional global folk music section but others in that rock&pop section and since a number of artists worked in both milieus I am conflicted at times. Looking at u Shirl.
― ian, Saturday, 27 May 2023 14:08 (eleven months ago) link
Feel like even the rockier end of British Folk Rock fits in the Folk section no problem.
― Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 27 May 2023 14:14 (eleven months ago) link
Ok but my sticking point is that into, if you’re writing your own songs, it changes from folk music into something else. I realize this is a hardline position.
― ian, Saturday, 27 May 2023 14:16 (eleven months ago) link
Sorry I’m typing on my phone but you get the drift I hope
― ian, Saturday, 27 May 2023 14:17 (eleven months ago) link
Just have one very big folk section and one relatively small horse singing a song section
― michel goindry (wins), Saturday, 27 May 2023 14:20 (eleven months ago) link
The animal sounds section is not the issue
― ian, Saturday, 27 May 2023 14:21 (eleven months ago) link
It rules out Pentangle, Fairport Convention and the Albion Band. Which leaves Steeleye Span I suppose.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Saturday, 27 May 2023 14:24 (eleven months ago) link
I have one big ol country and folk vinyl section, maybe to overcompensate for my confusion on how to file several artists. There are a few of those artists where itisamystery as to where they'd be filed in any random record store.
― omar little, Saturday, 27 May 2023 15:11 (eleven months ago) link
“It rules out Pentangle, Fairport Convention and the Albion Band. Which leaves Steeleye Span I suppose.”
That’s what makes it all so hard, Tom. I don’t like that those more uhhh progressive.. groups are separated from their peers who chose a more traditional repertoire. It’s a conundrum I’ve made for myself, I suppose.
― ian, Saturday, 27 May 2023 15:19 (eleven months ago) link
genre filing leads to madness. I tried it for awhile but gave up and went back to alphabetical
― broken breakbeat (sleeve), Saturday, 27 May 2023 15:20 (eleven months ago) link
Also the physical limitations of my shelving come into play 💁💁
― ian, Saturday, 27 May 2023 15:20 (eleven months ago) link
I only have a few genres of styles separated from the main pop-section; just that global traditional music is one of thrm.
― ian, Saturday, 27 May 2023 15:23 (eleven months ago) link
I def have those separated, it's true, the Folkways/Nonesuch Explorer/Lyrichord stuff
― broken breakbeat (sleeve), Saturday, 27 May 2023 15:24 (eleven months ago) link
but Shirley and Steeleye would def go in my main stacks
You got your pop section, your jazz section, your old-time, blues, world music, and academic composition section. And the animal sounds section.
― ian, Saturday, 27 May 2023 15:25 (eleven months ago) link
So where would you file a folkways lol of Scottish ballads?
in the trad/ethnic section for sure, esp if there are different artists
― broken breakbeat (sleeve), Saturday, 27 May 2023 15:26 (eleven months ago) link
Exactly. But what if it was a single artist? Would it bake a difference if it was vocal or instrumental? Does it not seem wrong to keep it away from the hipper more rock oriented stylists?
― ian, Saturday, 27 May 2023 15:28 (eleven months ago) link
1. I would prob do that in the main stacks like with my County LPs that have single artists2. no3. yes
― broken breakbeat (sleeve), Saturday, 27 May 2023 15:29 (eleven months ago) link
More trouble than it's worth. The only genre I have that's got its own section is reggae, everything else is mashed in together.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Saturday, 27 May 2023 15:31 (eleven months ago) link
Oh yeah I have a reggae section too lol
― ian, Saturday, 27 May 2023 15:34 (eleven months ago) link
I have a section incorporating rock, pop, and techno(?), a soul music section, "world music" for the Frenchies and reggae lps and African comps, country/folk, blues, jazz, and box sets. I'm probably going to reorganize it.
― omar little, Saturday, 27 May 2023 15:37 (eleven months ago) link
my records are organized by avg bpm
― the late great, Saturday, 27 May 2023 15:41 (eleven months ago) link
the dance ones anyway. the non dance ones are organized by vibe
organizing records by some arbitrary yardstick is not only fun and interesting, the more arbitrary it is the more incentive you have to keep reorganizing, so you get to extend the fun
― the late great, Saturday, 27 May 2023 15:44 (eleven months ago) link
i hope to die crushed under a shelf of records someday.
― ian, Saturday, 27 May 2023 15:49 (eleven months ago) link
fail my dex roll.
lol
― broken breakbeat (sleeve), Saturday, 27 May 2023 15:50 (eleven months ago) link
One of the local record stores in LA was tipped off to what looks to have been a record hoarder's Malibu beach house, the photos from inside are alarming, I feel like there must be an old man buried under there somewhere. Like maybe tens of thousands of records all boxed up and also tossed about.
― omar little, Saturday, 27 May 2023 16:01 (eleven months ago) link
Anyway, they clearly had poorly thought out categories and genres
i've definitely been in hoarder homes before -- it's a really grim scene. one guy had records in the bathrooms, under the sinks, everywhere.
― ian, Saturday, 27 May 2023 16:02 (eleven months ago) link
I have anxiety about my current overflow, which is maybe twenty records. Having just spent a year cleaning out my wife's parents' hoarder nightmare home I've decided to cap it at a certain point. Records have to go out before records can come in.
― omar little, Saturday, 27 May 2023 16:04 (eleven months ago) link
yes I have successfully gotten rid of my ridiculous overflow and confined everything to three large shelves (plus six boxes of "for sale" records for shows that live in the basement)
― broken breakbeat (sleeve), Saturday, 27 May 2023 16:06 (eleven months ago) link
20 records overflow is nothing to worry about! i definitely have a lot to get rid of, but most of it is comparatively worthless marginalia so the reality is i just put it out on the street a lot of the time. especially the 78s.
― ian, Saturday, 27 May 2023 16:06 (eleven months ago) link
I kind of want to separate out all my uk82/klangpunk stuff, it would just look nice all together
― brimstead, Saturday, 27 May 2023 16:10 (eleven months ago) link
sometimes i think about organizing certain sections (jazz & world music mostly) by label and have to fight the impulse.but the fact is, i already separate out stuff by label in my old-timey and blues sections, so i've already lost.
― ian, Saturday, 27 May 2023 16:11 (eleven months ago) link
think how nice all those impulse spines would look together......