Hip Genres & Musical Styles: Which Is The Worst??

Write in vote for British

which doesn't mean you can review albums by brazillian artists. just saying, be a bit more humble?

― fpsa

turns out that unperson poster is actually actually jerry shirley, doesn't get much more humble than that

i do like hard bop but the thing i always think of is that my copy of john coltrane's "the olatunji concert" somehow got tagged as "hard bop". great hard bop record, that one.

Obscurity?

― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes)

that's the thing, it's getting to the point where fukui is better-known among a certain demographic than evans is...

Ok, I have a very clear memory of listening to this record online (and I think posting it somewhere to ILM), but now I can't find it anywhere and it's making me think I hallucinated it. I think Greg Fox was on drums???

― Random Restaurateur (Jordan)

nah i'm thinking of the newest fire-toolz record, the new liturgy record is really nice too tho (fox isn't on that one mind)

Yeah this was something else, it's driving me crazy

Genres missing:

Canadian novelty alt-rock
Swedish K-Pop
Nu-gaze
90s Tribute Album Remixes
Spoonman

the production on that O Pacto youtube xyzzzz posted is wild ... thank you!

That's baile funk, which just keeps getting better.

thanking you kate for this all time scold-

LISTEN TO MORE BILL EVANS MOTHERFUCKERS

and unperson for that link!

(also small chuckle at bill evans getting brought up and the cliche "BUT HE DOESN'T SWING!!" retort almost immediately following. "things repeat forever and there never is a remedy")

the worst industrial/noise is more unlistenable than the worst of anything else here, that's getting my vote

ha I feel that exact same way about private press SSW stuff, by a wide margin (sorry ian)

Fun fact:

"Now I didn't call the music I was doing `free jazz.' Someone [at the Atlantic record label] named it that, put a Jackson Pollock painting on it and called it `Free Jazz.'"

the production on that O Pacto youtube xyzzzz posted is wild ... thank you!

11/10.

I always mean to dig for more new baile funk on soundcloud, but there are some gems in these threads:

baile funk - search and destroy

rolling baile funk 2021

maybe wrong thread, but anyone wanting to hear bill evans doing not "LOUNGE PIANO MUSIC" check out living time. it may confirm your hatred of not only bill evans, but also free jazz! hooray!

around the same time as _symbiosis_ with the claus ogerman orchestra which isn't as "free jazz" as _living time_ but isn't quite lounge.

to me bill evans isn't just "lounge piano music", he's lounge piano music suffused with as much pain and loss as, like, gloria ann taylor

ryo fukui otoh just kinda sounds like lounge piano music for the "lo-fi hip-hop beats" generation imo. that's probably not fair to him, i'm old.

harsh but fair imo

also thanks for the vanguarda paulista link

idk how anybody expects to sustain a convo on a thread like this, i just sort of pop in and out

I sometimes collaborate with a Texan songwriter who lives in Maryland but who (I think by virtue of a diplomatic career) is decently well versed in Brazilian music and frequently writes and sings in Portuguese.

This may have been the only time I have combined bouzouki and bodhran, only to be completely drowned out by a lead triangle.

https://www.reverbnation.com/ceroe/song/32457769-bom-dia-neila

idk how anybody expects to sustain a convo on a thread like this, i just sort of pop in and out

― budo jeru, Thursday, May 18, 2023 3:00 PM

idk i kinda like it!

and i appreciate kate's internet cult(ure)-informed thoughts because i willfully ignored all that shit forever and i can get the cliff's notes on shit like why "the kids" sleep on bill evans.

(never heard fukui, checking out now. two tracks in and yeah these guys definitely dug sunday at the village vanguard)

i'm not dissing the quality of (most) posts, i'm just saying i never have the fucking energy to keep track of it all

ahhhhh, i'm old, "keeping track of it all" hasn't been a goal of mine for a while. i just pop in and obsessively track a thread for a day or so and then i get bored and ghost for a week or a month or six months.

the only way to do ilm afaic

ha I feel that exact same way about private press SSW stuff, by a wide margin (sorry ian)

― broken breakbeat (sleeve), Thursday, 18 May 2023 21:26 (yesterday) link

you don't need to apologize to me, buddy. the vast majority of that stuff is terrible! but like in all types of music there are plenty of lovely records.

"Japanese" free jazz

jazz critics shitting on Bill Evans, now I've seen everything

Thank you for the laughs, message board

Bill Evans rules

"jazz critics"

A certain kind of Country Rock deserves mention here, I think - Gram Parsons, Gene Clark, Mike Nesmith, ppl like Townes Van Zandt, the more obscure stuff on the Numero Wayfaring Strangers series. Some overlap with the private press singer/songwriter stuff I guess.

Yeah that’s a viable choice. My personal gripe with that stuff is that people will gobble it up but ignore every $2 kris kristofferson record, say. Whatever!

Kristofferson rules. But yeah it's a genre where the uber hip and the uber not hip (Eagles, Linda Ronstad) rub shoulders.

Gram Parsons, Gene Clark, Mike Nesmith, ppl like Townes Van Zandt

these are all great though

lol well yeah, I don't think I dislike any of the music discussed itt

Once again.., it’s all good!! Which is what baked it a funny question. IMO.

"jazz critics"

― xyzzzz__, Friday, May 19, 2023 8:32 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

it is my understanding that a person who writes for Downbeat and has authored several books on the subject of jazz and jazz artists is a jazz critic but please correct me if I am wrong

I was just getting mad online, don't worry, no correction required.

^^^ this is the vibe

^^^ this is the vibe

"Japanese" free jazz

― xyzzzz__

one of my least favorite genres is j-jazz, because first off it's just fucking jazz, these guys played with the american jazz groups, masabumi kikuchi was gonna be in a group with miles, joe henderson is backed by japanese musicians on _in japan_, making its distinct genre to me carries a whiff of inferiority which isn't really warranted. but more importantly the genre name sounds like a stutter - speaking as someone with a speech impediment i'm sensitive to that kind of shit

"jazz critics"

― xyzzzz__

again i don't like jazz critics, but only because the only jazz critic i can think of is nat hentoff, who's also a big name in libertarianism

unless you count charles mingus's shrink, do they count as a jazz critic?

otm.. especially the point about RYM/Evans/Fukui. J-jazz is a sub-genre of anime soundtracks.

i collect rare obi strips

"one of my least favorite genres is j-jazz"

Btw I was mostly joking. I don't really know about j-jazz I was mostly talking about guys like Takayanagi and Abe who, from what I've read, were fairly hostile to the conservation-y nature of jazz in Japan and wanted to carve out their own space. It was mostly done by the late 70s but I approached jazz in Japan through them.

joe henderson is backed by japanese musicians on _in japan_

this album smashes btw

also i'm gonna start using the genre tag e-jazz to describe people like bud powell, dexter gordon, and sahib shihab. the "e" can stand for "european" and "expatriate."

(which also raises the question: where's the hipster love for sahib shihab goddammit!?)

an obi strip really classes things up imo

has anyone ever cosplayed as an obi strip?

I think that the term J-Jazz may have come from those comps by BBE records, and those I don't think wanted to isolate it as a genre, just put the spotlight on some cool overlooked stuff.

Reddit types who listen to those and no US jazz are exoticizing idiots tho yeah.

i made a handy explainer for the hierarchies of j jazz

https://i.imgur.com/u9Bm5Rw.png

heh otm