Paul Simon

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…that’s quite the premonition.

Unidentified rogue Jedi (morrisp), Thursday, 18 May 2023 19:50 (eleven months ago) link

Dang.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Thursday, 18 May 2023 19:51 (eleven months ago) link

what the fuck!!!

J0rdan S., Thursday, 18 May 2023 20:21 (eleven months ago) link

Paul Simon won't die, he'll just be homeward bound

sane clown posse (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 18 May 2023 21:51 (eleven months ago) link

i don't think i could write that graf without following it up immediately with one about how he's not sick / dying, he still feels fine, he's healthy / productive, etc. (assuming those things are true.)

alpine static, Thursday, 18 May 2023 21:56 (eleven months ago) link

I'm reluctant to be one of those ghouls who speculate about strangers' health, but his facial appearance and slight hand tremor in the trailer suggest he is dealing with Parkinson's. He may be farewelling his performing days, rather than life. Seems like a beautiful record.

assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 18 May 2023 23:08 (eleven months ago) link

When he released Person to Person a few years back, he talked about having no new material and potentially wrapping things up, so it's been extra special that he made In The Blue Light (dense rearrangements of some of his neglected songs) and now this. Definitely agree the paragraph sounds ghoulish unless Pareles has inside info.

underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Friday, 19 May 2023 07:52 (ten months ago) link

Of course we all remember the exactly 0 contemporary reviews of You Want It Darker or Blackstar which labelled them as premonitions of death (think there were one or two of The Next Day which may have hinted at this though)

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 19 May 2023 10:16 (ten months ago) link

I thought there were such reviews of Blackstar, but I’m notoriously revisionist in my recollections.

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 19 May 2023 10:41 (ten months ago) link

Can anyone recommend a good write up on Simon's lyrics and/or lyrical approach? I was listening to Negotiations & Love Songs and admiring what I perceived to be significant lyrical growth from the self-titled thru the late 80s.

Separately, I never listen to One-Trick Pony but "Late in the Evening" is such a monster track for him that really stands out in the context of that comp.

Indexed, Friday, 19 May 2023 14:51 (ten months ago) link

The Hilburn bio was, I thought, terrific about his lyric writing. He dedicates parts of chapters to how Simon (who participates) pared the lyrics to "Graceland" and "The Cool Cool River."

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 May 2023 14:53 (ten months ago) link

Is the Gladwell audiobook any good? I like the idea of the format but not sure I can cope with extended Gladwell-ese.

Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Friday, 19 May 2023 15:07 (ten months ago) link

I don't relish repeating myself too much, but here I am again saying that the bonus "work in progress" tracks from Saints reflect a type of magic.

"My horse and my saddle and my gracious companions, we tripped over a mountain and we fell into a vast canyon."

That is a lyric that the dude THREW AWAY. He wrote stuff that nobody else could, and was just like, "Nah. Not good enough. I'll do something else instead."

It is a great blessing that we even have access to his discarded ideas. Imagine what life would be like if we could know about the stuff that Mozart or Bach considered and rejected.

In the last few months many of us watched the frickin Beatles consider, then reject, various musical and lyrical ideas. That was a certain type of run but not nearly as sublime in my view.

sane clown posse (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 19 May 2023 15:10 (ten months ago) link

How about the bio by Peter Ames Carlin, Homeward Bound?

I & I, Claudius (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 19 May 2023 15:18 (ten months ago) link

my travelling companions are ghosts and empty sockets, I’m looking at ghosts and empties
and I’ve reason to believe we all will be received at Graceland

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 19 May 2023 15:21 (ten months ago) link

Ordered the Hilburn bio - thanks, Alfred. I do think the Gladwell audiobook is probably worth it in spite of Gladwell, and I should buy that. I listened to the first (free) one a year ago and enjoyed it. Will probably spring for that, too.

Indexed, Friday, 19 May 2023 15:29 (ten months ago) link

Ok I will say one more thing about the lyric writing of Simon is how honest he is about being embarrassed by his early output.

Ask him about "Call Me All" and he gives you a decently intelligent answer. Ask him about "For Emily" ("clothed in crinoline," etc.) And he is like "ouch, too early."

His assessment of his own work is refreshingly direct.

sane clown posse (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 19 May 2023 15:30 (ten months ago) link

His lyrics on the new one are especially spare & elegant. On first listen, they remind me of Quebec folkie Myriam Gendron's album of Dorothy Parker poems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VzfSWMzUA0

dinnerboat, Friday, 19 May 2023 15:51 (ten months ago) link

Is the Gladwell audiobook any good?

I loved it. Simon is up there with De Niro as far as giving evasive, shut-down interviews, and this one feels like him “opening up” just this once definitively for the record. He also has a guitar handy during the interviews, so there’s a lot of him demonstrating moments musically/lyrically by talking through the songs themselves.

underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Friday, 19 May 2023 17:21 (ten months ago) link

I wonder if it's the same bit included in the 2013 reissue where he discusses the origins of "Graceland" and plays a couple of his guitar runs.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 May 2023 17:23 (ten months ago) link

Separately, I never listen to One-Trick Pony but "Late in the Evening" is such a monster track for him that really stands out in the context of that comp.

― Indexed, Friday, May 19, 2023 9:51 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

great album. 'nobody' 'oh marion' too

xheugy eddy (D-40), Friday, 19 May 2023 18:19 (ten months ago) link

xp aw I love For Emily, and find it charming

octobeard, Friday, 19 May 2023 18:21 (ten months ago) link

xps I've never been a huge Simon & Garfunkel fan for that reason, though I guess it's remarkable how much he grew as a lyricist, steadily improving right into his solo career. The only S&G records I really want to listen to are the last two LP's, Bookends and Bridge, and even they have moments that I'm not too crazy about, where they get too precious or lean in too hard into self-pity, etc.

I was listening to Negotiations & Love Songs and admiring what I perceived to be significant lyrical growth from the self-titled thru the late 80s.

Separately, I never listen to One-Trick Pony but "Late in the Evening" is such a monster track for him that really stands out in the context of that comp.

FWIW, what's pretty remarkable about his solo output through One-Trick Pony and maybe even Hearts and Bones is that if you mix together the highlights, they all sound apiece, like they could be from the same incredible album. Individually they all clearly have their own identity, but until he did Graceland there's a strong stylistic unity to much of his solo work.

birdistheword, Friday, 19 May 2023 20:48 (ten months ago) link

Listened to Seven Psalms and it played as fairly stuffy and serious. Maybe suitable for a career coda, but not how I'd like to think of Simon after he's gone (hopefully never).

Indexed, Friday, 19 May 2023 20:56 (ten months ago) link

The audiobook is on Slsk if that's your thing.

Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Friday, 19 May 2023 21:12 (ten months ago) link

I am very much in awe of Seven Psalms. While it's essentially a lengthy poem over relatively sparse acoustic music, I still find it very lush with beautiful guitar playing and clever, intriguing lyrics.

Listened to Seven Psalms and it played as fairly stuffy and serious.

It's a half hour musing on pretty serious stuff, but there are also funny moments and relativation. For example: "Good morning, Mr Indignation / Looks like you haven't slept all night / In my professional opinion / Go back to bed and turn off your light".
I also really love this bit: "The Lord is my engineer / The Lord is my record producer / The Lord is the music I hear / Deep in the valley of elusive"

I'm reluctant to be one of those ghouls who speculate about strangers' health, but his facial appearance and slight hand tremor in the trailer suggest he is dealing with Parkinson's.

That would be terrible, I hope you're wrong there and I hope Paul's still got some time to go. Interesting to note here that the final 'Psalm' includes the following bit:
"Wait / I'm not ready / I'm just packing my gear / Wait / My hand's steady / My mind is still clear"

Valentijn, Friday, 26 May 2023 07:39 (ten months ago) link

"in my professional opinion" is such a Paul Simon lyric... I haven't listened to this yet but I can hear him singing it...

m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Friday, 26 May 2023 08:18 (ten months ago) link

xp you're right, though I was referring to the music itself, which I'm still having a hard time finding a way in to

Indexed, Friday, 26 May 2023 14:17 (ten months ago) link

Wow this record is seriously great, top tier work IMO, one of the greatest things he’s ever released.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 9 June 2023 02:38 (ten months ago) link

gorgeous

we’re blessed to have him <3

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 9 June 2023 03:59 (ten months ago) link

that Myriam Gendron records is one of the best of this century

Insider info or not I find that NYT excerpt in super bad taste. “This sounds like Paul Simon will croak any day now”.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 9 June 2023 04:25 (ten months ago) link

he's such a good guitarist

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 June 2023 05:30 (ten months ago) link

yeah i was marveling at how he still knocks me out in all three facets
lyrically, there’s lines that just floor me with starkness or beauty or both
vocally, his voice still has the power to send me back to childhood in the best way
musically, his guitar playing sounded so good (idk any smart guitary words to say so “good” has to cover a lot of technical griund lol)

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 9 June 2023 05:56 (ten months ago) link

how is he still the best

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 9 June 2023 05:57 (ten months ago) link

He doesn't always play sophisticated guitar parts (because he has so many skilled subordinates) but lots of people have not what a fine, precise player he can be when he sets his mind to it.

In one mid-career interview he rummages around in a closet, pulls out a Martin and starts playing "The Coast" - which is demanding enough for anyone - so nonchalantly as to make it look easy.

I think about that sometimes. Dude could just casually write some of the best music ever, and yet still have extra effortless music that he might - might - eventually get around to recording.

sayonara, capybara (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 9 June 2023 07:43 (ten months ago) link

*have noted

sayonara, capybara (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 9 June 2023 07:47 (ten months ago) link

that Myriam Gendron records is one of the best of this century

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, June 9, 2023 12:19 AM (sixteen hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah, it really is stunning. Quiet & methodical, and devastating in places. There's a density of meaning — each word has weight — that maybe you'd expect in formal poetry, but the poems work surprisingly well as songs. All to say this new album feels substantial in a similar way, despite how brief & airy it is.

dinnerboat, Friday, 9 June 2023 21:06 (ten months ago) link

yeah its not called “seven psalms” for nothing, he really leaned into that hymnal aspect, the searching within the lyrics is quite profound

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 9 June 2023 21:28 (ten months ago) link

It’s funny, I swear I heard Casey Kasem mention a lawsuit — or possible lawsuit — on American Top 40 around ‘86 or ‘87. I can’t remember the context, though, if he was introducing a Simon song or a Los Lobos song. But when I saw that Steve Berlin interview however many years ago I thought, “Oh yeah, I remember that.” I thought the lawsuit Casey mentioned might have had something to do with the production, which was all ‘80s-gated-drums awfulness.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 22:49 (ten months ago) link

you're thinking of this

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/los-lobos-steve-berlin-labels-paul-simon-a-jerk-alleges-graceland-snub/

budo jeru, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 23:16 (ten months ago) link

oh wait, that's what the LA weekly link says too. sorry, i thought it was something different at first

budo jeru, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 23:17 (ten months ago) link

Iirc, the initial lawsuit in the '80s was over "Gumboots", which was a pre-existing instrumentalk recording that Simon overdubbed lyrics on and then copywrited words & music to himself.

Graceland has more co-writing credits than any other Simon solo album.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 23:56 (ten months ago) link

which is to say: I think Simon played it pretty fair.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 23:57 (ten months ago) link

“Graceland” was one of the few CD’s my family owned when I was a kid - highly enjoyed it, but it’s also massively disappointing how much of it was stolen in some way from so many people - not just Los Lobos and Rockin' Dopsie (who weighed a lawsuit but decided it would be too costly) but above all Heidi Berg, and this is on top of the ongoing debate of cultural appropriation.

birdistheword, Thursday, 15 June 2023 00:04 (ten months ago) link

But true, in his defense, he granted quite a few cowrites. But I think it still falls short.

birdistheword, Thursday, 15 June 2023 00:06 (ten months ago) link

XP to Soto

Lawyers were involved., Lol.

I think he was generally more on the level with the rest of the African players on the album, but the Zydeco band who did the backing on "That Was Your Mother" also she's him and claimed an experience mirroring that of Los Lobos.

Ha, or what bird said.


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