Hip Genres & Musical Styles: Which Is The Worst??

Notoriously soft sounding Tom Zé.

Hard Bop is a subgenre of "Japanese"

― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes)

god dammit, one of my least favorite things about /mu/core is that it seems like these days more people have heard ryo fukui than bill evans (_scenery_: 8,383 rym ratings; _waltz for debby_: 4,505 rym ratings)

LISTEN TO MORE BILL EVANS MOTHERFUCKERS

/mu/core is the worst, i hate how much music i love is just shit fucked up self-loathing 4channers crate dug

private press singer/songwriter should probably be ruled out because 99% of it is just boring people singing about how much they love jesus

i like the little boogaloo i've heard but i had no idea it was hip. part of me still thinks of ricky ricardo when i hear the genre brought up. sort of a descendent of afro-cuban jazz?? maybe?

ricky ricardo played straight mambo, no? too early for boogaloo I think.

Notoriously soft sounding Tom Zé.

― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, May 18, 2023 11:29 AM (fifteen minutes ago)

lol ... y'all can make me feel guilty for not liking the stuff y'all like

but tbh ... it's like the people who through some weird quirk think cilantro tastes like soap ... and that's how they experience cilantro, and no matter how much you try to shame them for it or extoll the awesomeness of cilantro, they still have that taste ... and that's me and the music I just don't like. However I do like cilantro

i think that's different than implying that certain regional preferences for brazilian music are for gay pussies?

Sarah, I think it's fair to say bossa nova is "soft sounding". It's dumb to say tropicália is, much like it's dumb to categorize it as "Brazilian psych". It's not taste I'm being snarky about here, it's the dismissiveness.

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ricky ricardo played straight mambo, no? too early for boogaloo I think.

― Daniel_Rf

yeah now that you mention it i think i just mix up "boogaloo" and "babalu"

first time i heard boogaloo was when bob dylan played "why is woody sad?" by bobby pauneto on his radio show, he said he thought it sounded like a song-poem. song-poems are probably the only genre with a worse hit rate than private press singer/songwriter...

"dark smooth jazz" is probably like... i mean my favorite record of the year so far is the one that mixes progged out weather channel smooth jazz with death metal vocals. at least i'm assuming there's only one record this year like that, i'm probably wrong on that. but i bet you... wait, hold on, "dark smooth jazz", isn't that just like Bohren und der Club of Gore? god i forgot those guys existed

boogaloo is early (mid 60s?) joe bataan, ray baretto, eddie palmieri, harvey averne, joe cuba, tito puente, sabu martinez, willie bobo, etc etc

all of these artists get folded into salsa in the late 70s, how i break it down in my head is if they’re wearing mod suits, playing in small combos and singing in english (“whoa whoa, we got latin soul!!”) then it’s boogaloo, once they start wearing disco suits and doing 15 minute jams with huge groups and singing primarily in spanish etc then it’s salsa

Tropicalia started in Bahia ffs... oof ILM, why did i ever come back sadlol. stirmonster otm...

Not the one that mixes yacht rock songwriting/singing with death metal drumming?

xp

My main reference for boogaloo is how it got folded into hard bop and soul jazz in search of hits, ie Lee Morgan's "The Sidewinder" being the big one, but there seemed to be a period in the late '60s where every jazz record had to have a boogaloo tune. And the drummers basically approached it like a funky bossa nova.

I don't have beef with any of these but if I had to pick one... industrial/noise is probably the one where I'm least curious at this point in my life to acquire a deeper familiarity.

i think that's different than implying that certain regional preferences for brazilian music are for gay pussies?

― budo jeru

vanguarda paulista: soft music for gay pussies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-W5wlk8QsI

oof ILM, why did i ever come back sadlol. stirmonster otm...

― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 18 May 2023 18:56 (two minutes ago) link

for terrible hot takes???

boogaloo is early (mid 60s?) joe bataan, ray baretto, eddie palmieri, harvey averne, joe cuba, tito puente, sabu martinez, willie bobo, etc etc

Exactly. It's a specifically New York music, too, blending Latin rhythms and horn styles with soul, R&B, early funk and even rock 'n' roll and doo-wop. The evolution from bugalu to salsa is something I wrote about last year.

FTR, although there's a lot of Brazilian music I don't like, there's a lot that I do like, and for some reason a couple of different editors think I know a fair amount about it, so I've been able to write about it at some length in the past few years for The Wire and Bandcamp Daily, interviewing Flora Purim and Hermeto Pascoal and reviewing a lot of the weirder albums from Azymuth members and whatnot. And I interviewed one of the brothers from Os Mutantes about 15 years ago. Just to say that I'm not a total ignoramus when it comes to this shit — I just have preferences.

Another preference I have is that I would prefer not to listen to Bill Evans if possible. Sorry!

re: hard bop, I often think of an particular exchange between OP* and a certain JAPANESE author buying dozens of hard bop LPs from him. I really don't know why tbqh... but anyways when I saw said author a few days later I asked him about hard bop and he said at the cafe he owned he had over 10k LPs for customers to choose from and he wanted to have options to even the most picky/prickly clientele.

*<3u iaîn

Not the one that mixes yacht rock songwriting/singing with death metal drumming?

xp

― Random Restaurateur (Jordan)

i can't say for sure we're not talking about the same record!

xp wow way to JAZZ KISSA AND TELL

Another preference I have is that I would prefer not to listen to Bill Evans if possible. Sorry!

― but also fuck you (unperson)

it wasn't a universal thing. i guess i'd say i'd be genuinely curious to hear from someone who likes ryo fukui but has heard and doesn't like bill evans as to what they think fukui has that evans doesn't!

Cilantro-swing is my favorite genre

I'm not familiar with Fukui at all, but I generally don't have much use for that nodding-out/don't-wake-the-baby style of jazz piano... put your whole forearm into it, I say!

what they think fukui has that evans doesn't!

Obscurity?

my deep apologies to the genre of Tropicalia, clearly my uninformed vote in this ilx poll has caused great harm to so many

― sarahell, Thursday, 18 May 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Thank you

Not the one that mixes yacht rock songwriting/singing with death metal drumming?

xp

― Random Restaurateur (Jordan)

i can't say for sure we're not talking about the same record!

Ok, I have a very clear memory of listening to this record online (and I think posting it somewhere to ILM), but now I can't find it anywhere and it's making me think I hallucinated it. I think Greg Fox was on drums???

Tropicalia today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXX6L_fXuzk

Just to say that I'm not a total ignoramus when it comes to this shit

fair enough. i have been to Brazil many times, heard lots and lots of Brazilian music from all eras, collaborated on music with, and then supported Os Mutantes and helped run a Brazilian reissue label, but would still consider myself pretty much a total ignoaramus simply by nature of the depth and volume of music that has been made and released there, which is truly breathtaking.

hard bop is great!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b7/Hard_Bop_%28album%29.jpg

music is pretty great.

if u gonna bop u better bop hard

bill evans looks like a member of kraftwerk, no idea why he’s not more hip

engagement with a handful of artists and albums :

Tropicalia
Free Jazz!!
Musique Concrete
Northern Soul
Psychedelic/Acid Folk
Hard Bop
Dub
Japanese (Psych)
Garage
Dancehall

more than a handful:

Classic Indie Rock (1980-2000???? argue w me here please)
Krautrock
Industrial/Noise

no to minimal engagement, maybe one comp max:

Private Press Singer-Songwriter
Country Blues
West Coast Psychedelic Rock
English Folk
Ska (original only)
Salsa
Boogaloo

Original ska is awesome

it's all awesome, mostloy, that's why it's so fun

btw is it Garage Rock or UK Garage?

It's the Garage where they started Apple

hate to say to that unperson poster, but sorry, you're pretty dumb about brazilian music. if you say something as stupid as 'samba is soft', hate to tell you, you know shit.

which doesn't mean you can review albums by brazillian artists. just saying, be a bit more humble?

can't review, sorry

all music are bad

Write in vote for British

which doesn't mean you can review albums by brazillian artists. just saying, be a bit more humble?

― fpsa

turns out that unperson poster is actually actually jerry shirley, doesn't get much more humble than that

i do like hard bop but the thing i always think of is that my copy of john coltrane's "the olatunji concert" somehow got tagged as "hard bop". great hard bop record, that one.

Obscurity?

― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes)

that's the thing, it's getting to the point where fukui is better-known among a certain demographic than evans is...

Ok, I have a very clear memory of listening to this record online (and I think posting it somewhere to ILM), but now I can't find it anywhere and it's making me think I hallucinated it. I think Greg Fox was on drums???

― Random Restaurateur (Jordan)

nah i'm thinking of the newest fire-toolz record, the new liturgy record is really nice too tho (fox isn't on that one mind)

Yeah this was something else, it's driving me crazy

Genres missing:

Canadian novelty alt-rock
Swedish K-Pop
Nu-gaze
90s Tribute Album Remixes
Spoonman

the production on that O Pacto youtube xyzzzz posted is wild ... thank you!

That's baile funk, which just keeps getting better.

thanking you kate for this all time scold-

LISTEN TO MORE BILL EVANS MOTHERFUCKERS

and unperson for that link!

(also small chuckle at bill evans getting brought up and the cliche "BUT HE DOESN'T SWING!!" retort almost immediately following. "things repeat forever and there never is a remedy")

the worst industrial/noise is more unlistenable than the worst of anything else here, that's getting my vote

ha I feel that exact same way about private press SSW stuff, by a wide margin (sorry ian)

Fun fact:

"Now I didn't call the music I was doing `free jazz.' Someone [at the Atlantic record label] named it that, put a Jackson Pollock painting on it and called it `Free Jazz.'"