Hip Genres & Musical Styles: Which Is The Worst??

Throw in dub techno and deep house and you've just got a list of the best genres

Almost put deep house tbh.

Almost put deep house tbh.

Some 'true European music' types tried to latch onto trad folk as 'pure' music a while ago, is what I meant. Guess there's not that many of them though. Although given the age of most folk fans you can bet that a lot of them are entering the Daily Mail phase of their existences, old socialists ending up railing against wokery/immigrants etc! Admittedly this isn't really the Alasdair Roberts end of things you might find at Supersonic festival etc.

Pvt press has a high swing and miss ratio, a lot of it loses its luster once some of the mystery about a rare grail being discovered is removed. But obv there is some gold in there. Some of the reissue labels are pretty reliable when it comes to finding the good stuff.

That's the one I would probably vote for just on overall merit, everything else is classic and pretty unassailable imo.

it would really suck to be the kind of person who can't even enjoy sleepy john estes or barbecue bob without having a brain aneurysm thinking about eric clapton's presentation of masculinity

the band that opened for stereolab in brooklyn in october was like the end of 'unobtrusive music'. they were idk a smooth jazz/disco-funk wedding band, overly self-conscious with that mac tonight look. def one of the most nauseating things i've ever seen.

It looks like this was ILM favorite Fievel is Glaque? Attn: imago. :)

what are some examples of hip salsa music?

Maybe Willie Colon and '70s Fania reissues?

yeah country blues rules, it's just a beautiful genre xxxp

I don't really understand what this list represents. About half of these seem well represented through modern reissues more than current artists, or maybe that's my take since I'm more inclined to check out older exhumed recordings than a 20 something attempting to replicate those sonics.

is the garage referred to garage rock, UK garage or US disco garage?

Yea this is confusing. If it's referring to Burger Records bullshit or anything that resembles The Black Keys, then yea garage is definitely the worst thing here.

Gonna take a wild guess that "Classic Indie Rock (1980-2000????" will get the most reactions because it has probably confronted ilx people more often than the others, even though garage rock revival is an actual landfill of shit. Whereas "Classic indie" has a pretty broad range of textures compared to most of these -- a lot of it sucks and a lot of it is good.

what are some examples of hip salsa music?

I was also thinking this. Not on my radar at all.

I assumed Garage means Nuggets/Pebbles stuff. Unfortunately hipsters have heard this music over the decades and decided to make more of it themselves.

This list seems good as far as hipster record store categories, like Boomkat or Forced Exposure or whatever, but yeah it makes the most sense in terms of reissues for most of these genres.

(I voted noise btw)

smashing FP on enochroot's RRK diss

what are some examples of hip salsa music?

not entirely sure it's hip but there's lots of really raw Colombian Salsa that I love, with Fruko perhaps being the deity of it. This one totally rules.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K18qzUeVxh8

I don't really know a lot about Private Press Singer-Songwriters, but that sounds pretty bad to me

Ian is not selling it too well

the best garage rock revival was probably a lot of the Oblivians stuff and adjacent affiliate bands/solo projects, plus a lot of the music on SFTRI. maybe some of the stuff like A-Bones too.

the closer the garage bands got to sounding like Jet, the worse they were obv.

the band that opened for stereolab in brooklyn in october was like the end of 'unobtrusive music'. they were idk a smooth jazz/disco-funk wedding band, overly self-conscious with that mac tonight look. def one of the most nauseating things i've ever seen.

It looks like this was ILM favorite Fievel is Glaque? Attn: imago. :)

― Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Thursday, May 18, 2023 10:48 AM (fifteen minutes ago)

Yes, they're great! But seeing them opening for Stereolab was indeed an odd experience, a lot of moments where I wondered if it was meant to sound the way it did. Lots of aggressive turns away from tonality and incongruous skronky guitar solos amidst all the smoothness and scat singing.

Almost put deep house tbh.

― ian, Thursday, May 18, 2023 4:18 PM (forty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

techno is hipper now and clearly worse imo

kinda fake 'soulfulness' is so much better than kinda fake 'future visions'

That's a good example of hipster salsa, love it. Maybe similar to funk, soul, reggae, lots of other genres where the living contemporary version doesn't have the gritty '70s recording aesthetic and the hipsters are continually digging for more unheard versions from the past.

what are some examples of hip salsa music?

When Fania's catalog was reissued on CD in the mid-2000s it got a big press push and a lot of critics hopped on board (me included). Since then a bunch of labels have been unearthing great stuff from all over, including multiple compilations on the Soundway and Vampisoul labels, including the Fruko album posted above, which rules. It's as close as salsa ever got to punk rock. There's a whole lot of hipster-embraced Latin music, including Peruvian chicha and Colombian "Afrosound"; I wrote about some of this stuff last year.

I kinda don’t give a fuck about much new music so yes this list is mostly about old music smsnd my experiences with record collectors. Also half a joke re: the maligned genres thread and half trolling for challenging opinions.

Although given the age of most folk fans you can bet that a lot of them are entering the Daily Mail phase of their existences, old socialists ending up railing against wokery/immigrants etc!

Well, fans maybe, but in terms of actual musicians I think the Brit Folk ppl have mostly held the line admirably. Helps that unlike the boomer rockers few of them got rich off the stuff.

The hippest music is always old, imo. Anything that's happening in the present can always be dismissed as a flash in the pan, old stuff has the instant cred of having "survived".

lol not in dance music land

but it does have to mine some mostly forgotten micro trend from 1997 or something to be hip

as much as I love dance music from the 90s, I feel like the fetishization of the "classics" has been crowding out the future-forward mindset that helps keep things fresh

Sue Stewards book Salsa! Is a decent history I think. May have been outdone since it was released .
Apparently David Took did a mixtape of the genre for her which knocked her out and she took a deep dive into researching the music.
I'm not sure if the discography still sstands as the best starting points.seems compilations she recommended at the time have been overtaken by far more comprehensive sets and artists have much better loved sets listed on RYM but it is several decades since the book appeareed.

smashing FP on enochroot's RRK diss

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, May 18, 2023

I obviously have no idea what sub-genre RRK was working in, but nonetheless that picture is exactly what free jazz sounds like to me. My upper limit is like Mwandishi or so.

I'd describe Rahsaan Roland Kirk's music as more soulful than skroky.

In my experience lots of trad music is about stealing, making really bad romantic decisions, and dying tragically.

Not sure how that aligns with conservative values

RRK was not free jazz.

tbh I like all of these, even if I feel some are "overrated" from time to time ... I have an irrational loathing for "The Girl from Ipanema" ... I had a roommate in the 90s who would play that song on repeat for hours (who was also annoying) so I voted Tropicalia even though I really only dislike that one song that is basically associated with that genre.

also for a while "The Girl from Ipanema" was used as hold music for some horrible conglomerate like the phone company or something? ... like 20 years ago, idk?

the girl from ipanema is bossa nova, not tropicalia

tropicalia possibly my favorite of all these

my deep apologies to the genre of Tropicalia, clearly my uninformed vote in this ilx poll has caused great harm to so many

lol

Tropicalia is basically Brazilian psych ...but it still represents that soft, curtains-blowing-in-the-wind side of Brazilian music that suuuuucks. The only Brazilian stuff I like is from the north of the country, with huge pounding drums. Samba, bossa nova, and tropicalia all go in the "no thanks" pile.

The only Brazilian stuff I like is from the north of the country, with huge pounding drums

i think I've heard some of this, and it totally slays

my actual boring answer is that all these genres, including the specific releases that hipsters have fetishized over the years, vary greatly in quality, so i have to abstain from voting

Tropicalia is basically Brazilian psych

it is SO much more than that! crazy imo to write it off based on having such a narrow idea of what it is.

It's all part of the same thing. I like the samba batucada stuff best too (made this playlist recently), but it's basically indoor vs outdoor versions of the same music, or at least very related.

xp

The only Brazilian stuff I like is from the north of the country

this is also crazy to me. there is an unbelievable amount of Brazilian music and taking such a miniscule view of it just feels like supreme musical arrogance.

well i guess you got your shitty challops ian

Yeah, crazy to throw out some of the most harmonically (and rhythmically) advanced music ever because it's "soft" or got marketed as lounge/chill-out music in the U.S.

some people just don't like "soft" sounding music, just like some people are anti-free jazz or anti-industrial or idk, don't like "hard" sounding music ... i don't like new age or smooth jazz ...

^^ only listens to disco rap

hahaha that's pretty funny because hendrix put down both "how high the moon" as being old hat

see, he just wasn't engaging with it in the right mindset. the operative word there is "high"

the mary ford song reminds me of kay weaver's song-poem "junkies and monkeys" which is a fucking great song about getting high

a lot of those song-poems you know they're just phoning it in but the impression i get is that everybody involved in the recording of that song really did enjoy getting high

always a little sad someone to see someone who's really talented but never really made it because they were also really fucked up, mind you. i relate to that kind of thing probably more than i should.

ian - are there private press singer/songwriter records of people singing to their cats?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykxZtuttogc