I kind of agreebut the appeal is somewhat similar, to me anywaymust've listened to diamond a million times in my teensthese days I'm more a rainbow personbut which one is it??
― corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 16:12 (eleven months ago) link
Pink Floyd are painting with broader brushstrokes and making bolder statements; Talk Talk are indirect throughout (but not as indirect as they would be by opening their next album with "Myrrhman"). It's also worth noting that, even though both songs are "artsy rock", they owe a lot to blues and jazz in terms of chord changes and instrumental tones.I'd also parallel the moment in "Shine On" when the tuned glasses change from the G minor they've held since the beginning to a D minor to the key change after each verse in "The Rainbow" (where Hollis sings, "Lenient, the song the lawyer sang..."). Both songs also mention imprisonment.I'd have to pick "Shine On" because it feels like a more complete entity. However, I've never loved "Eden" and consider Part IX of "Shine On" to be the destination point to which the whole Wish You Were Here album leads.
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 18 May 2023 19:25 (eleven months ago) link
those are very good points, both songs rock, and I imagine that has to do with the blues/jazz influences, although I'm not strong with musical theorywhen's the key change you mention?lyrics are indeed very different, Hollis juxtaposing the colloquial with the otherworldly (overworldly?) music, Waters going for the biggest payoff possible (along the way applying some surprising metaphor, similar to Wish You Were Here)
― corrs unplugged, Friday, 19 May 2023 16:27 (eleven months ago) link
talk talk song is okay but wish the guitarist would go through some various moods instead of playing the same blues rock stuff over an incessant beat for minutes
― budo jeru, Friday, 19 May 2023 17:08 (eleven months ago) link
The Floyd were comparatively very disciplined and precise with their specific placement of notes and instrumentation, whereas I believe Talk Talk took a more entirely improvisational approach.
i don't know a ton about talk talk's recording approach with their last two albums, but iirc, it seemed to me to be curated improv, as in, lots and lots of time spent experimenting and improvising over many months, often in the dark surrounded by lava lamps and stuff? if that's the case, to get from a bunch of improvisations and experiments to the final recording might have been a very decision-heavy, intentional process (and a very patient one), albeit one where the sound elements were originally improvised
― z_tbd, Friday, 19 May 2023 18:00 (eleven months ago) link
“Shine on” is the best, it’s what imagine the maxell dude in the armchair is listening to.not really a fan of Eden
― brimstead, Friday, 19 May 2023 20:13 (eleven months ago) link
z_tbd is right. The sessions for *Spirit of Eden* and especially *Laughing Stock* were insane. Darkness, lava lamps, lots of acid. Tens of musicians passed through the studio, were given no real idea what they were contributing to, and simply encouraged to improvise. The songs were pieced together by Hollis and Phill Brown over the course of months. It basically broke everyone involved.
― Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Saturday, 20 May 2023 09:15 (eleven months ago) link
when's the key change you mention?
2:28, and it's not even a key change, just a chord change from i to v, but it feels monumental. The Floyd get a lot of mileage in this piece switching back and forth between G natural minor (which scale includes E♭), and G dorian (where E is natural); they first introduce the latter in the four note guitar fanfare.
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 21 May 2023 01:58 (eleven months ago) link
just realized the length of this poll lol nice
voted talk talk, but there's really no wrong answer.
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 21 May 2023 04:33 (eleven months ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Friday, 19 April 2024 00:01 (one week ago) link
and so tomorrow we get high and listen to...
― corrs unplugged, Friday, 19 April 2024 07:22 (one week ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Saturday, 20 April 2024 00:01 (one week ago) link
Desire > Welcome to the Machine > EdenInheritance > Have a CigarI Believe in You > Wish You Were HereShine On You Crazy Diamond (parts VI–IX) > Wealth
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 20 April 2024 00:10 (one week ago) link
^^ total insanity
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 20 April 2024 00:24 (one week ago) link
It wasn't my idea to compare these records!
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 20 April 2024 00:33 (one week ago) link