Edit: I'm not particularly keen on Electro Swing, etc.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 12:34 (eleven months ago) link
does anyone have examples of electro-swing that is good (besides Doop)?
Mr. Scruff's Get a Move On is another arguable originator and that's very good.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 12:35 (eleven months ago) link
I'm also partial to Dorothy's Blind Date-riffing What's That Tune? which we discussed in the TOTP thread a few months back.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 12:36 (eleven months ago) link
get a move on is just a moondog sample, barely altered, from 1969 (plus a few other samples)
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 12:43 (eleven months ago) link
But Scruff recontextualizes it - a bit like how Sliced Tomatoes isn't northern soul in Fatboy's hands its surf rock.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 13:12 (eleven months ago) link
just fyi i don’t think nu-metal is dead anymore
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 13:23 (eleven months ago) link
It also seems to have bounced back in popularity and critical evaluation in kind of a big way, as has grunge. I remember, especially the UK press, being extremely critical of a lot of grunge (especially post-grunge) at the time. Probably a saturation thing more than anything else - so many Nirvana and Pearl Jam soundalikes being signed up. As for nu-metal, plenty of people enjoyed the first Korn and Deftones albums, but by the late 90s it felt like everyone from Slayer to the Prodigy to Atari Teenage Riot had been all-but forced to incorporate traits of nu-metal into their sound
― Do I look like I know what a jpeg is? (dog latin), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 13:29 (eleven months ago) link
First time hearing of electro-swing, agreed that based in my limited exposure it’s lightweight fluff.
Dr. Buzzard’s was an early version of Kid Creole & the Coconuts I think? They’re very good.
Straight polka doesn’t do much for me but the Northern Mexico version of it is dope, and I don’t know if we get zydeco without polka? So it’s fine with me.
I actively hate Nu Metal, so it gets my vote.
― Cow_Art, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 13:40 (eleven months ago) link
has anyone invented a garish rockabilly-edm fusion yet?
― ufo, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 13:45 (eleven months ago) link
Sigue Sigue Sputnik
― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 13:55 (eleven months ago) link
Nothing wrong with Kid Creole and he has nothing to do with electro-swing. Electro-swing is house that prominently samples 1920s Charlston/big band music. Think "circus tent at the festival" vibes, circus hippie types from places like Brighton and Bristol, twirling canes, moustaches, burlesque, jazz hands. The type of people who think https://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=77&threadid=82861 is still hilarious....
― Do I look like I know what a jpeg is? (dog latin), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 13:55 (eleven months ago) link
opera
in general everything is long and repetitive -- made in a time where you would only hear a performance once. some of the least pleasant singing styles being considered the best.
there's a few verdi operas that i can stand.
― formerly abanana (dat), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:05 (eleven months ago) link
Related is that kind of music that doesn't really have a name but is a kind of rap/ska thing played exclusively by middle-class UK music-school drop-outs and invariably feature a white guy with dreadlocks rapping about Grenfell, a dude in a leopard-print waistcoat playing the fiddle, a bookish lady who looks very out of place on saxophone, some chump on bongo drums, and a guy called Didge who plays (you guessed it) digeridoo. Usually they have someone doing human beatbox as well. And they have an obligatory "sea shanty" they do live too.
There are a surprisingly large amount of bands in the UK who do this and it is literally the worst thing in the world. Someone sent me something by these guys once and I nearly crashed my car while listening to it, I was so annoyed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrHFaAjpiPQ
― Do I look like I know what a jpeg is? (dog latin), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:06 (eleven months ago) link
xp
suddenly feeling a bit wistful for electroclash, witch house and vaporwave reading this thread
― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:19 (eleven months ago) link
what kind of music is this?
I have watched this twice and I simply can't believe it's real and that I haven't just been gassed by the Scarecrow's fear toxin pic.twitter.com/Qgn36xl6WC— Ewan (@jelly_pack) August 7, 2019
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:19 (eleven months ago) link
bad music
― broken breakbeat (sleeve), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:20 (eleven months ago) link
WikiHow music
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:23 (eleven months ago) link
meltrock
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:24 (eleven months ago) link
Electroclash and Vaporwave both genres with plenty of good stuff in them. Witch House I never investigated much.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:25 (eleven months ago) link
A capella covers is conspicuously missing here
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:26 (eleven months ago) link
oh i just had a realisation maybe this is the electro-swing equivalent of proto punk― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Wednesday, May 17, 2023 5:59 AM (three hours ago)
"I Remember Yesterday" is, no question, among my top 5 favorite Donna Summer records.
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:27 (eleven months ago) link
Witch House was over in a couple of years but it has had a lot of influence since, there really needs to be a retrospective.
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:28 (eleven months ago) link
The modern a capella genre def horrible but otoh the Flying Pickets ruled.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:31 (eleven months ago) link
landfill indie in a landfill landslide— everything else here has some merit, milquetoast bland rock music the most offensive
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:36 (eleven months ago) link
Dat, my family includes a bunch of opera fanbois and as a result I have had to go to way more operas than I could ever have wished to.
Generally I am cool with operas in Italian or French or German. When I don't understand the words I can procees it as music.
Opera in English usually hurts my ears because the words are just plain dumb.
One exception is Henry Purcell's "Dido" which for some reason completely slaps.
― sane clown posse (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:36 (eleven months ago) link
the thing that elevates electro-swing from "dull music" to "abomination" is the way it erases the (obviously amazing and important) swing era and replaces it with this insipid middle class costume party bullshit, trampling over 20s jazz at the same time because they neither know nor care that it's not the same thing. I know that this process isn't by any means confined to this fairly obscure genre, but it's like, that's all there is to it! literally nothing else to see here!
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length)
Yeah, it's this. A large part of what makes electro-swing so horrendous is that it's so shallow and so incurious about the possibilities of music. It really is music for estate agents, as someone said upthread. The idea of using old styles in an electronic fashion is fine in itself, the resultant paste is hideously vile.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:37 (eleven months ago) link
Honestly astounded that so many people here dislike opera.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:38 (eleven months ago) link
this poll is full of a lot of strange presumptions.
― ian, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:44 (eleven months ago) link
I enjoy opera most as background music at home. I have not enjoyed going to operas the times that I've tried, but that's moreso because of having to sit still and pay attention in a stuffy atmosphere for so long.
― jmm, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:47 (eleven months ago) link
If polkas are good enough for Planxty they're good enough for me.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Tuesday, May 16, 2023 10:21 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
OTM. plenty of good polkas across multiple traditions & styles of music."Opera" and "Country Western" as these monolithic blocks is weird cuz they're both pretty big umbreallas. whereas each of the others is pretty specific.
― ian, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:47 (eleven months ago) link
Is the song I'm an Albatraoz by AronChupa & Little Sis Nora electro-swing? Feels like it's at least adjacent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bznxx12Ptl0
― peace, man, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:50 (eleven months ago) link
This just popped up on my Insta feed
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrHK9sZAkD-/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
― Do I look like I know what a jpeg is? (dog latin), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 14:57 (eleven months ago) link
Had never heard of electro-swing before but it reminds me of the approach taken by modern wedding DJs, who'll play the usual hits but slap some beat-matched house thumping over everything so the pissed attendees can dance without having to worry about shifting their feet from track to track
― john cooper mellencamp (Matt #2), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:05 (eleven months ago) link
Landfill indie more than the others might augur the future of AI music - several generations worth of a tradition listening only to itself, every eccentricity or unusual source fading more and more away into the homogeneous mulch.
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:05 (eleven months ago) link
john cooper mellencamp (Matt #2) at 4:05 17 May 23Had never heard of electro-swing before but it reminds me of the approach taken by modern wedding DJs, who'll play the usual hits but slap some beat-matched house thumping over everything so the pissed attendees can dance without having to worry about shifting their feet from track to track
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:08 (eleven months ago) link
I just noticed Third Wave Ska is not on this list.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:09 (eleven months ago) link
That horse was duly beaten here:
POLL: Which left a bigger shit-stain on the '90s? Swing or Ska
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:19 (eleven months ago) link
It's simple for me, I cannot stand operatic singing.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:24 (eleven months ago) link
all I know is if a film gets described as operatic there's gonna be tons of shooting in it so opera is fine by me
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:26 (eleven months ago) link
the default construction in parts of the US used to be "I listen to everything, except for rap and country"there are events I've seen now that are *only* rap and country, with a smattering of classic rock
my limited impression of electro-swing is incredibly internet-based and afaict the uptick in interest is video game nerds who want more music that sounds like that one Donkey Kong song
― mh, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:27 (eleven months ago) link
https://assets.lastdodo.com/image/ld_large/plain/assets/catalog/assets/2016/10/24/b/e/d/pdf_bed04be8-9a00-11e6-8de3-78110ca4fd14.jpg
― john cooper mellencamp (Matt #2), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:28 (eleven months ago) link
Snowy knows what's up.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:31 (eleven months ago) link
Herge OTM, Bunch of people standing about on a stage bellowing at each other.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:33 (eleven months ago) link
A bit funny that the poll option is 'Indie Landfill' not just Indie. Like there are fans of a specific strain due to its Landfillability.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:39 (eleven months ago) link
polka is fun, not that i'm out there listening to it a lot but it's just good time music. not even going to justify it via weird al, though his polkas are great.
electro swing sounds pretty bad but i hate to dismiss a genre i don't know a thing about based on the thirty seconds i was able to stand scrolling thru a youtube compilation. might be better than, let's say, roar by katy perry though.
i'd find it hard to believe anyone around here would vote country AND western, it's got a ton of gold even beyond the obvious classic names. there's lots of good stuff out there these days though yeah bro country isn't something i like whatsoever.
i'd like to hear some examples of indie landfill bands, sounds bad but also might be some good stuff in there.
― omar little, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:40 (eleven months ago) link
From Athlete to The Zutons, t'were a green, unpleasant landfill.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:43 (eleven months ago) link
I just finished reading this. I don't know 99% of the bands listed, so fire away.
https://www.nme.com/features/landfill-indie-snobbery-2741199
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:47 (eleven months ago) link
Imo Athlete aren't really what gets called landfill. Landfill refers more to Strokes/Libertines/Franz-reared groups like the Fratellis, View, Enemy, Pigeon Detectives, Automatic, as well as unremarkable but more tuneful bands like the Zutons.
Athlete belong more in the category of post-Radiohead/Travis/Coldplay pop. Arguably just as bad. But I'm probably likely to be more charitable to it (Athlete, for instance, quite a nice first album!)
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 16:08 (eleven months ago) link
lmao at electro-swing, I am very glad I managed to miss this nonsense when it happened (I do like Mr. Scruff though)
― Marvel Puzzle Quest is my favorite gasm (DJP), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 16:17 (eleven months ago) link