Maligned Genres aka "I like everything except..."

Electro Swing is campy in a "circus crusties doing ra-ta dancing at the festival tent" kind of way. It probably does have a sort of queer following

I don't think I really even know what polka sounds like? Maybe it's more popular in the States? Is it current?

Gabba and happy hardcore are different imo

voted indie landfill in the absence of "ironic covers" and "whatever the music I have to endure during current tv commercials is called"

I think I'm going to go for the DnB option. I don't mind a bit of jungle but I hear so much generic DnB these days, it drives me nuts

'Indie landfill' seems like a loaded description compared to the others

voted electro swing

"landfill" is actually a corruption of "ladfail"

it's definitely electro-swing, that might just be completely irredeemable

there is no growing out of electro-swing - it is exclusively for conservative adult estate agents.

you forgot 'nerds who otherwise only listen to game soundtracks'

I don't think I really even know what polka sounds like? Maybe it's more popular in the States? Is it current?

Current to early to mid-19th century, Kingdom of Bohemia, Austrian Empire

I think Steve Lamacq tried to reclaim the term "indie Landfill" and make it cool. It didn't work

If polkas are good enough for Planxty they're good enough for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Blc3k16rE

when I was making mixes for the early 1900s I was still able to listen to every available cylinder or disc for a particular year, there would be around 1000 I could get hold of, around 50% would be what I would call landfill opera. just random selections, indifferently sung, badly recorded. I don't really like opera in any case, but think I found a few good records even from these years, maybe one in a hundred I would rate more than 7/10

Write in vote for "Noise".

Nu Metal is different from the metal that sounds like Cookie Monster in a blender, right?

If so, I'll write in Cookie Monster.

"We've got both kinds of music here. We've got Happy Hardcore and Gabba."

Thanks for the best laugh I've had today.

DTO ftw

While they carry the banner of “American-Slovenian” style polka and waltzes, the Dick Tady Orchestra's musical talents are not limited to polka music. They also play excellent Croatian-Dalmation, German, Serbian and Swiss arrangements, specializing in tremendous sounding four-part vocal harmonies, not to be matched anywhere in the polka industry.

I love a few of these and at the very least like examples of the others (although I dunno what backpacker hop is)

Tech-house is such a random thing to see on here.

Tech-House seems to be a current meme/punchline on techno Facebook groups. I'm not entirely what people mean by Tech-House or why it's so bad and hated though

apparently it's long been prone to being bland/formulaic and there's a backlash against some popular post-edm wave of it over the last few years? i checked out a few tracks and i would not have guessed that it was what tech house meant these days

America is guilty of many sins against taste and humanity, but trying to blame America for polka music is a new low in ilx knee-jerk anti-Americanism.

Like, the word "Polka" literally means "Polish." Itbis right there in the word.

Tech-House seems to be a current meme/punchline on techno Facebook groups

it has been a punchline for a very long time, possibly because the vast majority of what gets called Tech-House is so generic, clichéd and devoid of any substance. that strand of Tech-House is really the new Bro-House and is a universe away from the OG Tech-House sound.

i voted for Electro-Swing which is the most heinous sound known to humankind but i probably hear more Indie Landfill which is high on my heinous rankings too, so could easily have voted for that too. no idea what Undie/Backpacker-Hop is. does anyone dislike Free Jazz? What a crazy world!!

most people seem to

landfill indie is the one of these where I have the most culture war baggage and the only one with worst people I knew in my teens who are now probably nostalgic for this shite baggage. if I'd grown up around gabba bros I might feel differently

take the masculinity out of nu metal and there's a pretty OK genre in there somewhere

its just the tail end of grunge isnt it. plus some rap metal i guess

i have no idea which specific era or acts comprise "landfill" indie

mid-late 00s regional UK crapness

there are bands with names in there but that's not the point

I probably have a pretty liberal definition of tech-house tbf.

Left, seems like nu metal (and metal generally) are notoriously sausagey. Remove masculinity and you have like, uh, one and a half bands?

Unless there is a secretly thriving underground scene of female nu metal that has escaped our collective notice.

oh all the arctic monkeys alikes then? gotcha. not as bad as electro-swing i must say

Agree that the nostalgia around landfill indie is highly lamentable. But then I've never been able to teach myself to separate early Arctic Monkeys (which I cannot stand for all the same reasons) from it.

Probably the closest Polka has been to the mainstream anytime recently is when Weird Al does the polka medleys of hit songs.

Ages ago I was trying to decide what the best-known 'polka' songs in the UK are and I came up with the Birdie Song and Wooden Heart. Which suggests to me that like jugband and zydeco we take it as a bedrock for novelty.

Which, sure, inevitable or whatever, but not all jaunty party musics have it that way.

Fun fact: "Shall We Dance" (from The King and I) is, in essance, a polka.

(Erg, essence.)

Anyway heel, toe, slide, together, etc.

45 years of close contact with dance and the only things I can be trusted with are waltz and polka.

Left, seems like nu metal (and metal generally) are notoriously sausagey. Remove masculinity and you have like, uh, one and a half bands?

Unless there is a secretly thriving underground scene of female nu metal that has escaped our collective notice.

I don't know how many made it big but it seemed like there were a lot of bands following the Evanescence wake, Flyleaf etc. (and, uh, Taylor Momsen?)

If one has to scratch one's head and come up with potentially three or four counterexamples, that kinda makes my point for me, doesn't it?

Like, many people could name a half dozen or potentially a dozen female-fronted metal bands, okay, yay, go you. Cool. Put a pin in that.

Then set it against ten thousand white dudes in cargo shorts screaming into an SM57 while a different ten thousand white dudes play power chords on a distorted Ibanez.

Identifying a few outliers in a sea of sameness doesn't exactly negate said sea. See?

Finding it hard to disagree with that entirely, although there are plenty of women in metal (including nu metal).

Couldn't this argument be leveled at pretty much any genre though? Isn't this one of the big topics in music over the last ten years - that women are under represented in so many genres?

Dog latin, my experience has been that folk and trad music, and children's music, are not nearly as lopsided.

We just had a pretty fun poll thread on women in country and almost everyone found out about an artist they were previously unaware of.

I don't even know much about music, but could probably come up with a decent number of utterly entrancing female artists who do traditional English/Irish/Scottish stuff. Without even brushing the surface of Americana / Ameripolitan / Countrypolitan artists.

But I could not say the same for metal / nu metal / classic rock / punk / hardcore. Sorry, those genres are 90% sausage, and it's okay to say so.

I think I would rather listen to mopey “indie landfill” than icky beery “garage rock” or “budget rock” ick just me personally

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electro swing is absolutely the worst of these no contest, every track i have heard in that genre is unbearably cringe. everything else is at least somewhat defensible.

i'm not a nu metal guy but it seems to me it's not even in the bottom 3 or 4 here. i think generally the worst of these are the most narrowly defined & gimmicky. the broader the tradition / genre the better.

I think I've so far avoided electro swing, this is the first that I've been aware of its existence, but no one here has convinced me I should go seek it out.

^^ same

"I like REAL country music"

-- guy who discovered Johnny Cash in college via the American Recordings and then branched out into Willie Nelson and Waylon Jennings, both of which were dead ends

Returning to the Nu-metal and popularity discussion upthread:

It was the popular skater boys in middle school who were into Korn, Limp Bizkit, etc. I was deeply into punk, hardcore, and crusty stuff, and they just couldn’t understand why I didn’t like the bands that they liked. What it seemed like then, and which I have more tolerance for now, is that the pain and anger expressed by Davis and etc seemed canned to me, it felt like pre-packaged rebellion (akin the Warped Tour stuff, which I also mostly hated), and I just couldn’t get over how falsely it rang. The angst of Submission Hold or Capitalist Casualties was more my thing, I guess.

Now, I don’t mind a lot of nu-metal, but don’t really listen to it at all outside of when the Zoomers play it at their after-school shifts at the climbing gym where I go.

I should also say that an older friend— a former ilxor whose dn on here was “eppy” back in the day— was the one who turned me away from crust and hardcore. He made me a tape in 1999 that just changed everything, so cheers to that.

Also, I should say, they also didn’t understand why I didn’t like nu-metal because I was actually clearly a fag, whereas they were just wearing lipstick and nail polish to freak out their parents and the jocks. Unlike this latter population tho, they didn’t call me a fag, and were actually nice to me.

the only kid in my high school class who i'm aware was into Slipknot (though not nu-metal more broadly) was kinda pocket-protector nerdy, he played me "It's not unusual" on laserdisc or something the one time i went to his house. might have been his dad's Tom Jones collection, idk. he was mostly into showing off the tech.

all the nu-metal fans i knew growing up lived in the burbs, otherwise they were not a monolith. the ones who skateboarded were more likely to be into 3rd wave punk i guess (can't recall a city kid who was into that stuff either). the person i know who was most deeply into nu-metal was a much younger kid who my buddy in LI used to babysit, and is now the drummer is his HC band, so there ya go.

10 years ago i ran into an "ostensibly untroubled and popular" girl from my hs at a coffee shop and we exchanged info, which led to her emailing me about how painful her experience of high school had been. some of it was relatable to me, but she also felt a lot of social pressures that i was oblivious to or untroubled by. sorry to go all breakfast club on you, ilx. but i came away from that exchange feeling like, as hellish as hs had been, a lot of kids who i'd perceived as coasting had it much worse.

i think Slipknot had a lot to offer the tech geek kid in my hs- outwardly, a way to sidestep an identity he felt uneasy with, and to endorse more violent expressions of rage than he might have been uncomfortable making overtly. inwardly, i have no doubt that the hostility and angst was relatable to him.

Obvs Fred Again being the grandson of the former owner of the Daily Mail tips the scales for whatever scene he falls in but I’m more referring the the wealth disparity of the fan base ;)

― Agnes, Agatha, Germaine and Jack (Willl), Friday, May 19, 2023 6:39 AM (five months ago)

Fred Again is great name for the Nu Metal revival. Congrats.

― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Friday, May 19, 2023 7:23 AM (five months ago)

He did an album with Eno, which I think was mentioned on the Eno thread.

Based on his Wikipedia page, he’s known Eno since he was a teen. Industry plant!

he is massive, ie festival headlining cross generational massive in the uk.

Well he is apparently playing 5 sold-out nights here in L.A. (starting tonite).

Oh, sorry, those are just the remaining nights of an 8-night residency(!)

Boy you lot really hate this electro-swing genre that I’ve never heard of.

Fred Again is massive, and while his stuff isn't awful there's nothing about it which inherently seems to explain his huge crossover popularity

it's almost like posh kids get a hidden leg up in their endeavours

rightly said

the blissful life of never having heard electro-swing.... but one day... one day you'll be in a cafe and an electro-swing cover of Waiting Room will start playing, and you'll drop into hell like your man in Get Out, and never recover

Fred Again is inoffensive but I can see the appeal. Yes, his music seems to rely on the same formula and is on the simple side, but he really knows his gear, and if you see videos of him performing live - specially the boiler room set and his live studio videos he made during lockdown - it’s easy to see why he’s so popular, the precision in which he uses his sample pads in particular is mindblowing.

the blissful life of never having heard electro-swing.... but one day... one day you'll be in a cafe and an electro-swing cover of Waiting Room will start playing, and you'll drop into hell like your man in Get Out, and never recover

― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz)

...the genesis song?