btw because I started this thread no one is allowed to quote my post where I said the answer was embiid, that never happened
― k3vin k., Monday, 15 May 2023 22:28 (eleven months ago) link
if we get jokic vs tatum in the finals it could end up being a really interesting data point in a larger positional value debate
even putting embiid's specific issues aside i think we just saw in this series why ppl think wings > bigs, generally speaking, given what tatum was able to do at the end of game 6 & his overall performance in game 7
i don't think that tatum necessarily showed that he's better than embiid in that series, tho he might be, just that he often shows (when he is on) why his archetype of player is the most sought after in the league, even if he also kinda leaves something to be desired when compared to, like, peak kawhi or whatever
i've thought since last playoffs that even tho he was not the best player in any series after round 1 i'd prob take tatum over any player in the league aside from giannis bcuz of the position he plays. but if jokic knocks everyone out including a boston team that would have the best ability of any team left to test him defensively, then he may be the true hoops unicorn of them all
― J0rdan S., Monday, 15 May 2023 22:52 (eleven months ago) link
tatum is a great player man but I mean, as you alluded to, he’s sort of an ersatz lebron/kawhi archetype you’re referring to. his specific value is in no small part thanks to playing on a very deep switchy team on which he happens to be the best player. imo…
I will wait a month or so (winky face) to post my giannis thoughts but the short version is he’s a big toe and a couple of really hot nights at the free throw line away from being perceived quite differently…
― k3vin k., Monday, 15 May 2023 22:59 (eleven months ago) link
his specific value is in no small part thanks to playing on a very deep switchy team on which he happens to be the best player. imo…
he has a well built roster around him but his specific value is in being able to get a shot off against any player in the league at the end of a series deciding playoff game, and having the ability to make them. or perhaps more generally what we saw yesterday or in game 6 vs milwaukee last year where he is a very specific type of unguardable offensive fulcrum who also can't easily be exploited on defense bcuz he's pretty good at 6' 9"
this is true although he's at a level where the staying power of one title will only last so long. he's probably out of the grace period now, quite frankly. the expectation for the next 2-3 years, regardless of what else happens w/ the bucks' roster, is that we'll see them in the finals again at least once at minimum. and if he doesn't win another one it will in all likelihood result in lots of ppl having more explicit conversations along the lines of what you just said about him. and look if jokic or tatum win it this year they'll be on the same clock too. that's the game. but certainly giannis getting the first has helped, and you could argue it was a funky title! the nets were hurt, the hawks were a paper tiger, all 4 bubble conference finals teams were evidently sapped of energy. so we'll see, lots of chapters still left to be written for these guys (except maybe embiid...)
― J0rdan S., Monday, 15 May 2023 23:19 (eleven months ago) link
did we ever determine whether jokic was the most impactful half court offensive player in the league
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 14 June 2023 15:35 (ten months ago) link
he was pretty impactful against markieff morris
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 16:04 (ten months ago) link
sadly for us all the snarky revives of this thread lose their impact given that k3v reminded us that he voted for embiid :[ the honesty is very much appreciated tho
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 June 2023 16:19 (ten months ago) link
lol
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 16:21 (ten months ago) link
hahaha
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 14 June 2023 16:52 (ten months ago) link
this thread would be your magnum opus if only you could delete that one double post in your moment of weaknessit’s fuckin embiid btw― k3vin k., Wednesday, April 18, 2018 7:20 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglinkit’s fuckin embiid btw― k3vin k., Wednesday, April 18, 2018 7:20 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink― Spottie, Thursday, November 18, 2021 5:22 PM (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink
it’s fuckin embiid btw― k3vin k., Wednesday, April 18, 2018 7:20 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink
it’s fuckin embiid btw
― k3vin k., Wednesday, April 18, 2018 7:20 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Spottie, Thursday, November 18, 2021 5:22 PM (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Spottie, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 19:28 (ten months ago) link
it’s Shakespearean
― Clay, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 20:12 (ten months ago) link