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AI is here to stay, so the key is figuring out how and when to deploy it— it has actually proven a very successful tool for university teaching, but I digress.

I also just want to note that a dear friend of mine is going through some absolutely batshit drama with her academic union at the moment, and the union leadership is entirely at fault. My own experiences of being in a union have also been unhappy. I am still a member of two unions, but there’s a LOT of work to be done in both of them, and one of them is a lost cause— adjuncts, NTTs, and TT professors have completely different frames of reference and goals, and a union whose leadership is driven by TT people will never adequately serve those who are not.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Saturday, 13 May 2023 13:07 (one year ago) link

Which again, is not to say that I am not a proud union member, but that there is a sort of blanket “unions good” sentiment among so many people on the left that really elides the lived experience of many people in the unions.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Saturday, 13 May 2023 13:08 (one year ago) link

I joined my faculty union two months ago, and, yeah, as a teaching (i.e. NTT) professor I've already noticed the caste system.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 May 2023 13:11 (one year ago) link

yeah, absolutely true. i support unions in general wholeheartedly, and have been in various unions and have seen a very wide set of realities depending on both leadership and membership - like the job itself, depends on the members to put in work to keep it alive and thriving

Nhex, Saturday, 13 May 2023 15:40 (one year ago) link

Definitely been in the arcs of that. When I first formally joined the UC as a full-time employee, there was a burst of new union energy to replace what had been seen as an ineffective earlier version of it with a new one; it won resoundingly and for a few years good things were done. But it all kinda petered out in the late 2000s and honestly if I hadn't been finally reclassified and therefore given a distinct salary boost in mid-2008 -- thankfully a month or so before the big crash -- I was strongly considering looking elsewhere. Active membership had dropped to something like 25% of the workforce represented and it was all kinda sluggish. But in the early 2010s a new crew started firing up a bit and worked out the affiliation with the Teamsters via their public worker arm, and after basically getting a good holding pattern in place, they massively boosted active paying membership -- a big boon when the Janus decision hit since we were somewhere in the high 80% percent range regardless, and so the money hit wasn't so bad -- and scored two big contract wins since, most recently last year just before the grads went on strike. (I suspect there was cascading pressure not to face a dual strike at that point since we'd been out of contract for a few months.) There was both good active leadership overall in terms of communication and outreach on the UC-wide level and the campus level, and we've since put in a lot of work to expand and affiliated unrepresented employees in both the UC system and the CSU to boot; getting in other unrepresented non-librarian employees is a current big focus -- a division I've never understood, since I've been lucky enough to have that the whole time.)

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 13 May 2023 16:22 (one year ago) link

Which again, is not to say that I am not a proud union member, but that there is a sort of blanket “unions good” sentiment among so many people on the left that really elides the lived experience of many people in the unions.

― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table),

I mean ... cops have unions, and they're one of the most powerful in terms of local US politics (the proposed city budget includes cuts to cops ... there will be performativity by the pigs, I'm sure) ... but that's a classic "wedge issue" for the left ... locally, our teachers' union has been on strike all week, and there's been pushback of the "this is bad for the kids" type, but putting the blame on the teachers, as opposed to the district.

sarahell, Saturday, 13 May 2023 20:00 (one year ago) link

Cop unions are unions in name only because cops aren’t workers.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 13 May 2023 21:10 (one year ago) link

and cops don't respect picket lines

symsymsym, Saturday, 13 May 2023 21:36 (one year ago) link

Yikes

As a coder and someone with a computer science degree I want to tell you where I believe AI is going. 2/

— Justine Bateman (@JustineBateman) May 13, 2023

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 15 May 2023 00:15 (one year ago) link

in Florida if we don't reach 60% membership we're declassified, and, heh, unlike police and fire unions, we're not allowed to use payroll deduction

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 May 2023 00:26 (one year ago) link

Feel like the AI stuff is a distraction that the studios are happy to concede on/use as a distraction.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 15 May 2023 01:19 (one year ago) link

"As a coder and someone with a computer science degree let me tell you why my films are terrible"

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 13:00 (one year ago) link

Cited in that Matt Stoller article:

Ten years ago, 33% of TV writers were paid the minimum rate. Now, according to the WGA, 49% are. Accounting for inflation, writer pay has declined 14% in the last five years. The median weekly writer-producer pay is down 23% over the last decade, with inflation factored in.

Thanks for the link.

felicity, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 14:23 (one year ago) link

and the companies for which they write ... their profits haven't gone down much or have they?

sarahell, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 15:19 (one year ago) link

Bandcamp United has won its vote:

https://blog.bandcamp.com/2023/05/19/bandcamp-and-bandcamp-united-release-joint-statement-on-union-vote/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 May 2023 20:55 (one year ago) link

Michael Schur interview in Deadline

https://apple.news/AW5YT5dDlTv2GEoC8q1nd9w

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 20 May 2023 11:14 (one year ago) link

Great interview, thanks.

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 20 May 2023 12:10 (one year ago) link

Good Shohei Ohtani analogy on that Michael Schur interview.

The WGA strike coming not that long after Covid production shutdowns of just a couple years ago is pretty brutal on not just writers but working actors, all the day to day production people as well.

Emmy campaign season is in full swing and it's astounding the studios have not even started talks after a month of strikes. Contempt is a good word.

felicity, Saturday, 20 May 2023 18:48 (one year ago) link

Err, 2 weeks+. Feels like a month.

felicity, Saturday, 20 May 2023 18:50 (one year ago) link

SCHUR: Look, there are 600 television shows; there’s one Mike White. The purpose of the guild is to protect the 599 people who aren’t that one person, right? It’s like, (the Los Angeles Angels’) Shohei Ohtan is a hitter and a pitcher. If all baseball teams told all of their employees that they had to both be all-star level hitters and pitchers because one guy did it, that wouldn’t seem fair. And it’s not a perfect analogy, but the goal of the union is to protect the 7000 episodic TV members who aren’t the very small number of people who prefer to do it in the way that they prefer to do it. And if the very worst thing that happened was we saved 6,958 jobs and four people had to hire three consultants to give them a second set of eyes on their episodes of their show, I think we would take that deal.


That’s an excellent analogy yeah.

Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Saturday, 20 May 2023 18:56 (one year ago) link

“The WGA strike coming not that long after Covid production shutdowns of just a couple years ago is pretty brutal on not just writers but working actors, all the day to day production people as well.”

I’m hoping all these unions team up and show one another solidarityz

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 20 May 2023 22:34 (one year ago) link

Ha, the “z” shouldn’t have been there

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 20 May 2023 22:34 (one year ago) link

Lol

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 22 May 2023 01:04 (eleven months ago) link

Get his ass

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 22 May 2023 01:26 (eleven months ago) link

Lol @ this David Simon interview.

"I'd rather put a gun in my mouth"

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/19/1177194215/tv-writer-david-simon-weighs-in-on-the-writers-guild-of-america-strike

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 23 May 2023 13:36 (eleven months ago) link

Interesting take from Simon

Re: use of AI in writing

SIMON: Not only I think is it a fundamental violation of the integrity of writers and also of copyright to - you know, when I sold all the scripts I sold, you know, 150 to HBO and, you know, maybe another 50 to NBC, I didn't sell them so that they could be thrown into a computer with other people's and be used again by a corporation. So...

That is kind of true, from a business and legal perspective, because AI could be used as a way to obscure chain of creation. Studios are usually on a hair-trigger alert about not accepting any kind of unsolicited material, because they are subject to so many idea theft claims. And U.S. copyright law is hear an all-time high point in terms of legitimizing infringement claims for even de minimus copying.

Normally studios have to be on guard to be able to show independent creation or "clean room" development of their materials at all times to defend such claims. The fair use defense to copyright infringement is less friendly to allegedly transformative uses after Goldsmith v. Warhol.

So unless you know and can trace all the inputs into AI generated writing, it can start down a slippery slope of essentially idea theft or copyright infringement if the inputs include copyrighted material. This cuts both ways too. A writer could choose to use AI in their writing, but normally has to warrant that all material is original, so if they choose to use AI they are then exposed to claims for breach of the warranty that all material in script is original.

Again, I don't think any of this means no one can or should use AI in creation. It's just what makes a Guild production version not. Plenty of writers do non-union side projects all the time.

felicity, Tuesday, 23 May 2023 18:51 (eleven months ago) link

Fantastic piece, this

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/01/opinion/wga-hollywood-writers-strike-unions.html

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 June 2023 18:11 (eleven months ago) link

Gift link version of above story.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 June 2023 18:20 (eleven months ago) link

This is all worth listening to, but there’s a really interesting point made at around the 42 minute mark of how little it would cost the studios to get to where WGA is asking them to go.

https://postshowrecaps.com/tv-show/the-writers-strike-a-discussion-with-wga-member-justin-shanes/

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 4 June 2023 05:07 (eleven months ago) link

The DGA seems to have squeezed something out of the studios

https://deadline.com/2023/06/directors-hollywood-studios-reach-deal-new-contract-1235399542/

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 4 June 2023 13:44 (eleven months ago) link

SAG authorizes strike if it comes to it:

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2023-06-05/sag-aftra-strike-hollywood-labor-amptp-strike-authorization

98% margin! The equal of the WGA authorization vote.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 02:35 (eleven months ago) link

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/19/1177194215/tv-writer-david-simon-weighs-in-on-the-writers-guild-of-america-strike

― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, May 23, 2023 6:36 AM (one week ago

apparently they went with the Season 5 theme music or was that Steve Earle?

sarahell, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 02:45 (eleven months ago) link

The DGA seems to have squeezed something out of the studios

morelike the studios have convinced the union with the smallest voting base and comparative best per-member compensation not to join in solidarity with their more numerous and more precarious colleagues, reinforcing a class division that benefits the studios?

serving bundt (sic), Tuesday, 6 June 2023 04:46 (eleven months ago) link

Yay oh wait

LA this summer! pic.twitter.com/5uJqSdyuP8

— Americana At Brand Memes (@americanamemes) June 6, 2023

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 04:49 (eleven months ago) link

this may be a dumb question, but ... are they getting strike benefits from the Union and how do strike benefits work, and what role do they play in successful vs. unsuccessful labor actions?

sarahell, Friday, 9 June 2023 18:22 (eleven months ago) link

According to this story, projectionists at an NYC Alamo Drafthouse (unclear which) filed a petition to unionize Weds

On Fri, Alamo sent an email notifying of its intention to eliminate the projectionist role and replace with with "technical engineer" https://t.co/D08dT7xlEH

— Screen Slate (@ScreenSlate) June 11, 2023

papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 11 June 2023 20:36 (eleven months ago) link

good.

Nhex, Sunday, 11 June 2023 21:19 (eleven months ago) link

two weeks pass...

With their latest win, @SBWorkersUnited is now in 80% of U.S. states.

The union's recent victory in Missoula, Montana means that there are now 331 unionized Starbucks spread across 40 states.

Just 1.5 years ago there were zero.https://t.co/Owmwgi3A9a

— More Perfect Union (@MorePerfectUS) June 26, 2023

Tracer Hand, Monday, 26 June 2023 21:22 (ten months ago) link

Pretty good background on the WGA itself, and what it provides its members

https://podtail.com/en/podcast/bonehead-humor/ep-285-todd-farmer-and-the-wga-strike/

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 3 July 2023 21:11 (ten months ago) link

SAG-AFTRA went to bed

mookieproof, Thursday, 13 July 2023 07:55 (ten months ago) link


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