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xp, he's a "busy" drummer with an idiosyncratic groove, admittedly not of the Mitchell/Moon/Bonham/Baker type so nm i guess

They were skilled enough to have a drummer who just played whatever-the-fuck because they didn't need the drummer to be a metronome.

The irony is that Moon was alone among his contemporaries in playing along to sequencers and other backing tapes. For all the talk of Moon’s supposedly shaky timekeeping, there isn’t a single recorded example of him getting out of tempo with the backing tapes. He was a metronome; he just didn’t sound like one. (Also, fun fact: John Bonham hung around with them during the session for “Won’t Get Fooled Again,” sitting on the floor next to Keith’s kit.)

Wyatt had much more of a jazz background for his drumming, his first solo LP is essentially free jazz, as are the early pre-wilde flowers demos.

Thanks, Kate, for the high-quality Mitch content. I love him and always will.

And to Tardumes, yes, it is sort of interesting that Moon was a solid timekeeper despite everything else going on with him.

Sorry, I haven't really formulated an opinion on Wyatt

*Tarfumes, sorry

imo wyatt was kinda the inverse of tony williams: consistent drummer, got even jazzier/more nuanced as he went, and a terrific band leader

Here's the video of Baker getting smoked by Art Blakey if you haven't seen it

wow that's brutal

wonder what blakey thought of baker's style

I love how casual Art Blakey is.

At first he isn't even breaking a sweat. Baker gives it his best shot, looking labored. Then Blakey says "okay, fuck it," and throws DOWN.

It is a master class. Blakey was all time.

that baker/blakey video is incredible lol. baker's tom work is so boring and it just goes on and on and on, and then he's like, "maybe it'll be interesting if i do it faster???"

and then blakey's sticks are like a river rushing through his hands

i'm not a baker hater by any means but he is not flattered by the comparison lol

My favourite Keith Moon drumming is on Quadrophenia, which is an era where a lot of people seem to think he was getting tired; but I think the songs are the strongest that Townshend ever wrote and so they stand up to the drumming.

I actually struggled a bit with his playing on that record for a time, finally realizing that much of what I heard as slightly-reduced-energy was down to how his kit was miked. The snare doesn't crack and the bass drums don't pop like on songs recorded by Glyn Johns (two of which are on Quadrophenia), and the cymbals are far too prominent. On the 1973 shows I've heard -- particularly Philadelphia, 12/4/73 -- his playing is absolutely as great as it ever was, superior to what's on the record.

huh i never thought that he was falling off on quadro at all

though i feel like that is the ultimate entwistle album for the who, he's just beasting out on that record

Entwistle had one gear and that gear is called awesome. There are exactly zero times when I have wanted the Ox to do anything other than what he did .

If there is such a thing as "lead bass" the definition would be simply "See John Entwistle."

Thought this was pretty cool:

“The Real Me” was the first take. I was joking when I did that bass part. The band said, “Wow, that’s great, that’s great!” And I was just messing around. They just loved the song. I was sitting on top of my speaker cabinet playing a silly bass part and that’s the one they liked.

though i feel like that is the ultimate entwistle album for the who, he's just beasting out on that record

Which is why I never understood why Entwistle remixed most of it for the Quadrophenia movie soundtrack. There's indeed more bass, but it's not better bass.

ll cool j's performance in the movie toys is better than any of his music.

(also the song performed by robin williams and joan cusack in the movie is f'kn rad and had trevor horn involvement iirc)

god cardi b has only gotten even more terrible over time.

Live MCMXCIII is an absolute dreadful listen, except for "Coyote" (the one new song).

Mr. Rain is pretty good on it. But yeah, latter day Reed doing those classics just doesn’t work for me.

same... I feel like this is the consensus opinion?

“coyote” does totally rule

“Hey Mr. Rain” is easily my favorite thing on it, and it’s too bad (though understandable — the kids wanna hear the hits) that they didn’t do more extended improvisations on that tour. “Coyote” isn’t bad either, and Cale does a surprisingly fine job with “All Tomorrow’s Parties,” but Lou’s SHINYSHINYSHINY. SHINYBOOTSOFLEATHER. is just embarrassing.

It's a dreadful listen, but the deluxe CD version, with that soft padded case like one of those waterproof books for 10 month olds, with the dayglo banana stickers is one of my favorite fancy CD versions. Its kind of amazing, really, that the VELVET UNDERGROUND REUNITED in the 90s but since it was so bad most normal VU listeners have literally no idea.

Yeah, the reunion also went unmentioned (despite some brief footage) in the documentary and, surprisingly, in the 500 Songs podcast episode on the Velvets. I think more casual Velvets fans are aware of Squeeze than the reunion.

since it was so bad most normal VU listeners have literally no idea.

This also may go without saying, but as the tour didn’t survive past the European dates, it made little impression on most US fans.

I saw them on that tour - which is probably why I've never bothered listening to Live MCMXCIII. Does anyone actually like that album?

I just checked out some of the ‘93 footage, and instrumentally it’s not bad; in fact, it’s pretty good. The crapulence of it is almost entirely down to Lou’s singing. His voice obviously can’t do what it used to, but it’s his phrasing that fucks everything up.

I quite liked "Afterhours" and I got a little lump every time I hear this Cale-Moe lineup tearing into "Sister Jane."

Don't you mean "Sweet Ray"?

I meant "All Tomorrow's Sunday"

Yes, the gig I went to was fine but for Lou's inability/reluctance to sing anything remotely resembling the original tracks, unfortunately that was a VERY big but! His guitar playing was great though!

OOOH baby Jane she is a CLERK

Lou Reed says
I’ve come to hate my body (of work)

The current, highly lauded Arthur Russell release, is barrel scraping.

Tangerine Dream's greatest work is the Risky Business soundtrack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t19pVyWzEZo

I controversially agree

The current, highly lauded Arthur Russell release, is barrel scraping.

I stopped paying attention years ago, too, but critics were going ape over this--five starts in Mojo, BNM in Pitchfork, etc.

stars

in terms of post-2010 releases Iowa Dream is very good, but I have to agree with Boring about the new one. I was disappointed after the high praise on the AR thread

I'm generally not a fan of anyone's scribblings and demos.

me neither generally, though Russell is something of a special case in that regard

while i think most of the posthumous AR releases have been quality, my favorite stuff of his *by far* is what he released during his lifetime (WoE, Tower of Meaning, various disco tracks).

haven't heard the new one- i'm saving it for my next walk to the beach through the country- but on the basis of the preview tracks on bandcamp, the high praise surprised me very much.

WoE itself is the record that's meant the most to me in the last 5-10 years of my life, and i don't remember the praise for it being so effusive when it was reissued.

i mean what is even the idea of a "proper" arthur russell discography mean? it's all kind of a puzzle

WoE itself is the record that's meant the most to me in the last 5-10 years of my life, and i don't remember the praise for it being so effusive when it was reissued.

― Deflatormouse, Tuesday, July 18, 2023 3:20 PM (eleven minutes ago)

that's interesting. ime WoE is the consensus masterpiece, though I think we've discussed elsewhere on ilm that for some younger listeners the LIOM material is best known

Calling Out Of Context/Love Is Overtaking Me/Sketches For World Of Echo > Iowa Dream/Corn/Springfield/Deer In The Forest > 24-24 Music From The Kitchen and this new one for me

so I think I agree? frustrating b/c I know there's more great stuff in that barrel (Loose Joints specifically)

i don't read p4k really but i just checked and WoE was rated 8.4 (admittedly higher than i thought), Bunny Rabbit got a 9.0

i don't know what this means, if anything. i find these number rankings a little silly, in general

i think LIOM was the first one i heard, i didn't care for it much, First Thought Best Thought was the one that hooked me.