i like a lot of rock guitar stuff, but hendrix's playing, to me that's in a whole different league. i've heard him play stuff...
lol @ posting this in the controp thread <3
― No, đ'đŽ Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 20:06 (eleven months ago) link
Drummers who drum like that (Loosely, I mean the Mitchell, Moon, Bonham, Baker type) could only get away with it because they were in solid bands that didn't need a centered drummer keeping things rock-steady. They were skilled enough to have a drummer who just played whatever-the-fuck because they didn't need the drummer to be a metronome.â coolgnoscenti (Ye Mad Puffin)
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Does Robert Wyatt sit with this group wrt Soft Machine, would you say?
― fetter, Wednesday, 10 May 2023 20:22 (eleven months ago) link
or Hamish Kilgour
― No, đ'đŽ Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 20:29 (eleven months ago) link
Hamish always sounds rock steady and solid to me and doesn't do a lot of fills
― a (waterface), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 20:32 (eleven months ago) link
The bass is the rhythmic backbone to most of those early Soft Machine songs, giving Wyatt the ability to play around. In interviews, he was dismissive of the drum kit as an instrument, said it was difficult to get music out of it...and it was partly the other members' unhappiness with his drumming that caused his dismissal from the group.
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 10 May 2023 20:33 (eleven months ago) link
xp, he's a "busy" drummer with an idiosyncratic groove, admittedly not of the Mitchell/Moon/Bonham/Baker type so nm i guess
― No, đ'đŽ Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 20:53 (eleven months ago) link
They were skilled enough to have a drummer who just played whatever-the-fuck because they didn't need the drummer to be a metronome.The irony is that Moon was alone among his contemporaries in playing along to sequencers and other backing tapes. For all the talk of Moonâs supposedly shaky timekeeping, there isnât a single recorded example of him getting out of tempo with the backing tapes. He was a metronome; he just didnât sound like one. (Also, fun fact: John Bonham hung around with them during the session for âWonât Get Fooled Again,â sitting on the floor next to Keithâs kit.)
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 21:05 (eleven months ago) link
Wyatt had much more of a jazz background for his drumming, his first solo LP is essentially free jazz, as are the early pre-wilde flowers demos.
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 21:06 (eleven months ago) link
Thanks, Kate, for the high-quality Mitch content. I love him and always will.
And to Tardumes, yes, it is sort of interesting that Moon was a solid timekeeper despite everything else going on with him.
Sorry, I haven't really formulated an opinion on Wyatt
― coolgnoscenti (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 23:55 (eleven months ago) link
*Tarfumes, sorry
imo wyatt was kinda the inverse of tony williams: consistent drummer, got even jazzier/more nuanced as he went, and a terrific band leader
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Thursday, 11 May 2023 00:08 (eleven months ago) link
Here's the video of Baker getting smoked by Art Blakey if you haven't seen it
wow that's brutal
wonder what blakey thought of baker's style
― corrs unplugged, Thursday, 11 May 2023 08:48 (eleven months ago) link
I love how casual Art Blakey is.
At first he isn't even breaking a sweat. Baker gives it his best shot, looking labored. Then Blakey says "okay, fuck it," and throws DOWN.
It is a master class. Blakey was all time.
― coolgnoscenti (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 May 2023 12:30 (eleven months ago) link
that baker/blakey video is incredible lol. baker's tom work is so boring and it just goes on and on and on, and then he's like, "maybe it'll be interesting if i do it faster???"
and then blakey's sticks are like a river rushing through his hands
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 11 May 2023 13:07 (eleven months ago) link
i'm not a baker hater by any means but he is not flattered by the comparison lol
My favourite Keith Moon drumming is on Quadrophenia, which is an era where a lot of people seem to think he was getting tired; but I think the songs are the strongest that Townshend ever wrote and so they stand up to the drumming.
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 11 May 2023 16:17 (eleven months ago) link
I actually struggled a bit with his playing on that record for a time, finally realizing that much of what I heard as slightly-reduced-energy was down to how his kit was miked. The snare doesn't crack and the bass drums don't pop like on songs recorded by Glyn Johns (two of which are on Quadrophenia), and the cymbals are far too prominent. On the 1973 shows I've heard -- particularly Philadelphia, 12/4/73 -- his playing is absolutely as great as it ever was, superior to what's on the record.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 11 May 2023 16:29 (eleven months ago) link
huh i never thought that he was falling off on quadro at all
though i feel like that is the ultimate entwistle album for the who, he's just beasting out on that record
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 May 2023 16:32 (eleven months ago) link
Entwistle had one gear and that gear is called awesome. There are exactly zero times when I have wanted the Ox to do anything other than what he did .
If there is such a thing as "lead bass" the definition would be simply "See John Entwistle."
― coolgnoscenti (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 May 2023 16:48 (eleven months ago) link
Thought this was pretty cool:
âThe Real Meâ was the first take. I was joking when I did that bass part. The band said, âWow, thatâs great, thatâs great!â And I was just messing around. They just loved the song. I was sitting on top of my speaker cabinet playing a silly bass part and thatâs the one they liked.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:09 (eleven months ago) link
Which is why I never understood why Entwistle remixed most of it for the Quadrophenia movie soundtrack. There's indeed more bass, but it's not better bass.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 11 May 2023 21:48 (eleven months ago) link
ll cool j's performance in the movie toys is better than any of his music.
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Thursday, 25 May 2023 00:26 (ten months ago) link
(also the song performed by robin williams and joan cusack in the movie is f'kn rad and had trevor horn involvement iirc)
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Thursday, 25 May 2023 00:30 (ten months ago) link
god cardi b has only gotten even more terrible over time.
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Friday, 2 June 2023 14:34 (ten months ago) link
Live MCMXCIII is an absolute dreadful listen, except for "Coyote" (the one new song).
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 02:58 (ten months ago) link
Mr. Rain is pretty good on it. But yeah, latter day Reed doing those classics just doesnât work for me.
― Cow_Art, Tuesday, 13 June 2023 03:01 (ten months ago) link
same... I feel like this is the consensus opinion?
― broken breakbeat (sleeve), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 03:03 (ten months ago) link
âcoyoteâ does totally rule
― brimstead, Tuesday, 13 June 2023 03:03 (ten months ago) link
âHey Mr. Rainâ is easily my favorite thing on it, and itâs too bad (though understandable â the kids wanna hear the hits) that they didnât do more extended improvisations on that tour. âCoyoteâ isnât bad either, and Cale does a surprisingly fine job with âAll Tomorrowâs Parties,â but Louâs SHINYSHINYSHINY. SHINYBOOTSOFLEATHER. is just embarrassing.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 03:20 (ten months ago) link
It's a dreadful listen, but the deluxe CD version, with that soft padded case like one of those waterproof books for 10 month olds, with the dayglo banana stickers is one of my favorite fancy CD versions. Its kind of amazing, really, that the VELVET UNDERGROUND REUNITED in the 90s but since it was so bad most normal VU listeners have literally no idea.
― Reeves Gabrels' Funko Pop (majorairbro), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 03:25 (ten months ago) link
Yeah, the reunion also went unmentioned (despite some brief footage) in the documentary and, surprisingly, in the 500 Songs podcast episode on the Velvets. I think more casual Velvets fans are aware of Squeeze than the reunion.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 03:31 (ten months ago) link
since it was so bad most normal VU listeners have literally no idea.This also may go without saying, but as the tour didnât survive past the European dates, it made little impression on most US fans.
― Day 1 fan (morrisp), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 04:55 (ten months ago) link
I saw them on that tour - which is probably why I've never bothered listening to Live MCMXCIII. Does anyone actually like that album?
― Renaissance of the Celtic Trumpet (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 06:45 (ten months ago) link
I just checked out some of the â93 footage, and instrumentally itâs not bad; in fact, itâs pretty good. The crapulence of it is almost entirely down to Louâs singing. His voice obviously canât do what it used to, but itâs his phrasing that fucks everything up.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 11:46 (ten months ago) link
I quite liked "Afterhours" and I got a little lump every time I hear this Cale-Moe lineup tearing into "Sister Jane."
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 11:52 (ten months ago) link
Don't you mean "Sweet Ray"?
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 13 June 2023 11:53 (ten months ago) link
I meant "All Tomorrow's Sunday"
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 11:58 (ten months ago) link
Yes, the gig I went to was fine but for Lou's inability/reluctance to sing anything remotely resembling the original tracks, unfortunately that was a VERY big but! His guitar playing was great though!
― Renaissance of the Celtic Trumpet (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 12:22 (ten months ago) link
OOOH baby Jane she is a CLERK
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 12:33 (ten months ago) link
Lou Reed saysIâve come to hate my body (of work)
― professional window (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 13 June 2023 15:12 (ten months ago) link
The current, highly lauded Arthur Russell release, is barrel scraping.
― Gerard Grisey Funk (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 17:02 (nine months ago) link
Tangerine Dream's greatest work is the Risky Business soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t19pVyWzEZo
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 17:05 (nine months ago) link
I controversially agree
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 17:05 (nine months ago) link
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 19:02 (nine months ago) link
I stopped paying attention years ago, too, but critics were going ape over this--five starts in Mojo, BNM in Pitchfork, etc.
― Gerard Grisey Funk (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 19:06 (nine months ago) link
stars
in terms of post-2010 releases Iowa Dream is very good, but I have to agree with Boring about the new one. I was disappointed after the high praise on the AR thread
― rob, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 19:08 (nine months ago) link
I'm generally not a fan of anyone's scribblings and demos.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 July 2023 19:08 (nine months ago) link
me neither generally, though Russell is something of a special case in that regard
― rob, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 19:10 (nine months ago) link
while i think most of the posthumous AR releases have been quality, my favorite stuff of his *by far* is what he released during his lifetime (WoE, Tower of Meaning, various disco tracks).
haven't heard the new one- i'm saving it for my next walk to the beach through the country- but on the basis of the preview tracks on bandcamp, the high praise surprised me very much.
WoE itself is the record that's meant the most to me in the last 5-10 years of my life, and i don't remember the praise for it being so effusive when it was reissued.
― Deflatormouse, Tuesday, 18 July 2023 19:20 (nine months ago) link