Taking Sides: the TLS v. the LRB

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The Daniel Trilling piece on the police is fantastic. It goes into quiet a bit of detail about the Morgan case, which will never be solved but rumbles on.

Unbelievable. The Metropolitan Police is institutionally corrupt. pic.twitter.com/FFAaqXC44T

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) May 10, 2023

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 10 May 2023 11:16 (eleven months ago) link

Steven Shapin on Thomas Kuhn: informative, but also infuriating. Shapin gives an account of (he claims) Kuhn's thought in THE STRUCTURE OF SCIENTIFIC REVOLUTIONS. He makes it sounds thoroughly relativist, historicist, constructionist, call it what you will. He then spends the next 2,000 words complaining that people 'misread' Kuhn as ... relativist, historicist, constructionist, and tells us again and again and again how much this annoyed Kuhn and how ill-tempered Kuhn was about it.

Maybe it was a misreading; maybe Kuhn's theory wasn't relativist, historicist, constructionist. But *Shapin's own account of the theory indicates that it is*. If Shapin wants us to share the eye-rolling at the 'misreading' then he needs to show why it was a misreading. Instead he just keeps saying it was a misreading. That doesn't prove anything.

I agree that this is a problem with Shapin's piece, but the problem is also with Kuhn's work, Kuhn seemed unwilling to accept the implications of his own theories, and I think the tetchiness came partly as a result of this. Kuhn did row back on some of the more radical theoretical implications in later years, I believe, but by that time the damage (in his view) had already been done.

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 13:55 (eleven months ago) link

My understanding from the Kuhn article was that Kuhn was a physicist by training, not a philosopher, and he was fairly innocent of the warring philosophical tribes when he published his book. So it annoyed him to see these warring tribes take up his book as a cudgel in battles that he hadn’t taken a side in. It seems this unpleasant experience inspired him to study philosophy of science more deeply later in his career in order to contextualize his work properly in that tradition. He particularly seemed to dislike the way his work was interpreted as an attempt to lower the status of scientific knowledge.

o. nate, Wednesday, 10 May 2023 14:57 (eleven months ago) link

yes, I think that's a good summary. Shapin doesn't fully explain (as it were) early and late Kuhn in his article, it would have been better if he had done so.

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 15:20 (eleven months ago) link

two weeks pass...

stephen mulhall's parfit hit-job is readably funny and IMO a p focused take-down of a larger issue = why this is a bad way to go about moral philosophy (and anything that follows from that)

for those who prefer the internet to the LRB it even has trolley-problem content :D

https://www.utilitarianism.com/utilitarian-memes/trolleyology.jpg

mark s, Saturday, 27 May 2023 11:48 (eleven months ago) link

yeah that was a good takedown of the book and its subject, his life and his life's work. at the start when it said he was one of the pre-eminent 20th century philosophers or whatever I though hmm maybe I should find out more about this guy. by the end I thought lol nope.

ledge, Saturday, 27 May 2023 13:34 (eleven months ago) link

https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2017/january/remembering-derek-parfit

This quick piece by Amia Srinivasan, who is always good value, on Parfit

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 29 May 2023 23:27 (ten months ago) link

that's a beautiful little piece

corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 08:47 (ten months ago) link

this is the (2-part) LRB piece that srinivasan links to: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v20/n02/derek-parfit/why-anything-why-this

(possibly subs only)

mark s, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 09:23 (ten months ago) link

Natalie Merchant gunning hard for the LRB audience was unexpected.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 10:21 (ten months ago) link

What kind of dilbert licker takes music recommendations from Alain de fucking Botton?

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 30 May 2023 13:09 (ten months ago) link

despite my casual & rude dismissal of parfit in my prev post I enjoyed those two others. although...

Atheists may reject this answer, thinking it improbable that God exists. But this probability cannot be as low as one in a billion billion.

this I call the fallacy of being unreasonably impressed by arbitrarily large numbers, or fbuibaln.

ledge, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 13:14 (ten months ago) link

LRB 4.5.2023: apart from Mike Wood, my favourite items are Tom Stevenson on superstates, lively and bright, and oddly, Jessie Childs on the Spanish Armada, an old-fashioned topic I knew little about. (Perhaps Plymouth correspondent Mark S can share arcane knowledge of Sir Francis Drake.)

Article on Spotify maintains an LRB tradition of covering major contemporary topics. It mostly made me feel quite glad that I don't really use Spotify. It's funny how when things become super-'convenient' (though for people with technical difficulties like me they often aren't very convenient), a few people end up fleeing from the convenience and saying 'I want the awkward slowness of having to turn over the vinyl record so I can really concentrate and have a deeper experience'.

the pinefox, Monday, 5 June 2023 08:49 (ten months ago) link

The LRB haven't been sending me recent issues. Going on a trip, I was thus compelled to dig out a random back issue. It's 30.9.2007. I read most of it.

First article is ... Simon Jenkins! Now who can remember him ever even being in the LRB?

Hilary Mantel, of all people, writes about AIDS in South Africa, but in a mystifying way that mostly tells us about false and implausible beliefs about the illness, and cultural assumptions around it, rather than facts, which might be useful. Her bio note says she is 'working on a novel called WOLF HALL, about Thomas Cromwell'.

Hal Foster on Renzo Piano shows that he's been writing in this same tedious way for a long time.

Michael Wood on William James I never read till now - how can this be? It's philosophically slippery but contains many great Wood throwaways. Marvellously amusing paragraph about James's views of dogs.

Perry Anderson on the EU: several pages long, though still not an epic by his standards. 9 years before Brexit, and he is already making clear many of the problems of the EU. It's powerful, even devastating material, a lot more original and well informed than most of the vague lamentations in recent years.

the pinefox, Monday, 5 June 2023 08:56 (ten months ago) link

literally everything i know abt drake without looking him up is contained in that article:
• singed king of spain's beard ✅
• supposedly played bowls as armada loomed ✅

there is yet a bowling green which very much claims to be one and the same -- tho oddly enough you can't actually see the sea from it as it's on the far-side slope of the hoe

mark s, Monday, 5 June 2023 09:05 (ten months ago) link

In the latest I enjoyed Neal Ascherson's crisp (as he almost always is, whatever he writes about) account of 1848.

Going through the write-up on Parfitt (just halfway). I am liking it, mostly, it touches on the culture of All Souls college, and how the output of it by one of its residents seems to mirror this. I really like how he works through what could be described as 'ivory tower', but doesn't resort to that aggressive wording (so far). The stuff on biography and how that applies to philosophy is nicely done.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 June 2023 09:18 (ten months ago) link

literally everything i know abt drake without looking him up is contained in that article:
• singed king of spain's beard ✅
• supposedly played bowls as armada loomed ✅

Blowing up a cork factory(?) in Cadiz thus greatly hampering the Spanish fleet? Something like that anyway. (I got that from Horrible Histories).

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Monday, 5 June 2023 10:18 (ten months ago) link

Still on the 18th May issue, really nice to see a review of a Lídia Jorge novel! Everyone should read her.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 5 June 2023 10:19 (ten months ago) link

the corks are how the ships of the armada kept the sea on the outside iirc

mark s, Monday, 5 June 2023 10:22 (ten months ago) link

xp lrb is the worst place to get fiction recommendations, i hardly ever read the reviews because ***spoilers!!!***

ledge, Monday, 5 June 2023 10:24 (ten months ago) link

feel free to disregard the LRB and take it as a Daniel_Rf recommendation instead :)

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 5 June 2023 10:45 (ten months ago) link

I learn that my LRB subscription has apparently expired.

I am probably now two issues behind.

the pinefox, Monday, 5 June 2023 10:58 (ten months ago) link

Still on the 18th May issue, really nice to see a review of a Lídia Jorge novel! Everyone should read her.

― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 5 June 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Forgot this, will look.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 June 2023 12:35 (ten months ago) link

Michael Wood on William James

This was interesting. Thanks. I recently read "Principles of Psychology", and the biographical tidbits about James were intriguing. I ordered the Richardson bio that was being reviewed. It seems like perhaps a good book saddled with a bad title. "Modernism" is something I would associate much more with James's brother Henry. The Wood review was ok, but seemed to focus primarily on James the pragmatist, which to me, is probably the least interesting James (after James the psychologist, and James the founder of religious studies).

o. nate, Friday, 9 June 2023 14:31 (ten months ago) link

Glad it's of interest, o.nate.

I continue to read LRBs from 2007-8, in great detail, lacking new issues as I do.

Last night I read a whole Jerry Fodor article on Darwinism.

the pinefox, Saturday, 10 June 2023 10:46 (ten months ago) link

Michael Wood on BELLE DE JOUR, 2000:

The trouble with these interpretations is not that we can’t (more or less) get them to work, but that they are too tempting and seem desperately wrongheaded, whatever their logical or narrative attractions. More precisely, we can abandon any of these interpretations easily enough, but it’s amazingly hard to give up the game of interpretation itself, the attempt to make the events of this movie behave like the events of a proper story, however complicated. It’s a false trail, but we stay on it, as if addicted; of course we are supposed to stay on it, even as we lose all faith in its destination, because the trail and its disappointments are the very movement of our watching the movie. Why is it a false trail? How do we know it is? Well, we don’t know for sure, but the pleasure of the movie seems different from its riddles, larger, simpler, more direct. […] Our attempts at resolution fail, but that failure, if we work at it enough, becomes the form our success takes.

the pinefox, Sunday, 11 June 2023 12:01 (ten months ago) link

doesn't really belong in this thread except that i discussed it a little a while back but there's a nice big piece on the tunguska incident full of info new to me in the NYRB:
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2023/06/22/fireball-over-siberia-tunguska-andy-bruno/

(the claim is made that the locals kept the incident mysterious to visitors and researches bcz they mistrusted them and didn't want to be bothered; also that the guy who mainly put it on the map was a bit of a dick)

mark s, Sunday, 11 June 2023 14:31 (ten months ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyRLlpRWcAA8dN_.jpg:small

mookieproof, Monday, 12 June 2023 14:21 (ten months ago) link

That "Black Male Escort" as has been around for ages...

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 24 June 2023 13:54 (ten months ago) link

In the new issue I really enjoyed reading about Fassbinder and Noel Coward. Love how they are place next to each other.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 24 June 2023 14:06 (ten months ago) link

Not TLS/LRB, but I really enjoyed Julian Baggini's review of the Parfit biography in Prospect: https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/culture/61751/mr-morality-the-astonishing-mind-of-derek-parfit

This extract made me laugh:

A clue to Parfit’s fundamental error comes in one of the countless extraordinary anecdotes recounted by Edmonds. Parfit once watched a documentary about the Nazi invasion of France in which Hitler danced a little jig after his army’s triumph. The philosopher said, without irony, “At least something good came out of the German victory.”

JifMoose, Monday, 3 July 2023 13:26 (nine months ago) link

Dani Garavelli on the murder of Nikki Allan was tough reading but essential for those who like to collect examples of police being as thick as shit and indulging in their favourite ongoing and inexplicable pastime of fitting up innocent people.

ledge, Monday, 3 July 2023 13:40 (nine months ago) link

drag their asses gary

mark s, Monday, 3 July 2023 15:25 (nine months ago) link

Very infectious enthusiasm again from MH. I wasn't really fancying this book but now...

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v45/n13/michael-hofmann/russian-podunks

In the latest issue I see Tim Parks (another constant favourite reviewer-translator) on Camilo Jose Cela's The Hive (which I read earlier this year).

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 July 2023 14:05 (nine months ago) link

In the new issue I really enjoyed reading about Fassbinder and Noel Coward. Love how they are place next to each other.

― xyzzzz__, Saturday, June 24, 2023 2:06 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

Coward's joke about De Gaulle, as reproduced in this review, made me do an IRL LOL

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Wednesday, 5 July 2023 14:42 (nine months ago) link

Yes, that was funny.

Guess who's back?

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v45/n14/patricia-lockwood/where-be-your-jibes-now

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 6 July 2023 09:22 (nine months ago) link

I wish I had Lockwood's incredible confidence in her middling comic bits.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 6 July 2023 13:15 (nine months ago) link

i started reading that and then i wondered why i would do such a thing.

scott seward, Thursday, 6 July 2023 18:54 (nine months ago) link

I enjoyed the essay but it did feel sort of like she'd only handed half of it in?

bain4z, Friday, 7 July 2023 08:37 (nine months ago) link

There's a lot of good stuff, but the shtick is getting shtickier, kind of like Anthony Lane's did, although her non-shtick is much better.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 7 July 2023 17:55 (nine months ago) link

Absolutely fucked how DFW was obsessed by Thatcher?! Never gonna bother with this guy.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 7 July 2023 22:24 (nine months ago) link

I normally enjoy lockwood's none more subjective 'this is how I experience the world' shtick but if you find you don't experience the world in that way or if you want a more, say, level headed approach it can be tiresome. don't know how much dfw I read back in the day, not much, some short stories and essays maybe. she doesn't make me want to read more - the quote she picks in the penultimate para? yeesh.

a holistic digital egosystem (ledge), Saturday, 8 July 2023 07:36 (nine months ago) link

never really stuck for me, tho i did get some of the way into IF - maybe gave up at the point lockwood highlights. v uneven piece. hard going, almost incomprehensible in places with occasional little bolts of critical lightning.

Fizzles, Saturday, 8 July 2023 08:47 (nine months ago) link

I would read this article, but my LRB subscription stopped some time ago. I should try to resume it.

the pinefox, Saturday, 8 July 2023 09:18 (nine months ago) link

At one point that piece was kinda trolling ilx 2001 where we were all into big bulky books by AMERICAN MEN

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 8 July 2023 10:30 (nine months ago) link

It occurs to me that from my own particular POV, Lockwood vs DFW is like Katharine Birbalsingh vs Jess Phillips.

the pinefox, Saturday, 8 July 2023 12:59 (nine months ago) link

would pitch in to crowdfund renewing pinefox's lrb subscription

flopson, Saturday, 8 July 2023 14:21 (nine months ago) link

i watched this 2003 dfw interview from german tv on youtube last night. i think it's one of the worst videos i've seen. he's so visibly uncomfortable. the interviewer asks these vague and "deep" questions that keep him going over the same topics. there are 5 questions in a row about how drugs in infinite jest are a metaphor for contemporary american corporate capitalism. as someone who occasionally feels nostalgia for the 2000s, it made me very relieved that the decade is now far in the rear view mirror

this supercut that compiles all his nervous tics from the interview is one of my favourite videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqmIAbHXr0Y

flopson, Saturday, 8 July 2023 14:29 (nine months ago) link

Goings on in African colonial wars are something I often shy away from bcz it's so so grim but this is a pretty good piece on a book that's handling quite a lot of material and a fairly big cast of characters across many territories.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v45/n12/kevin-okoth/poison-is-better

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 8 July 2023 14:51 (nine months ago) link


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