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didn't we already get rid of grunge actual 25 years ago?

i totally get where Austin is coming from. most of my musical tastes and interests can be traced quite neatly back to becoming an obsessive music fan at the height of grunge, and *hating* grunge.

like, we obviously had to get rid of white dudes chugging shittily away at guitars because grunge turned into the dumbest thing ever made. but rock and pop used to be cross-pollinating currents at one time, right? did we fuck up?

No, š˜'š˜® Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:11 (one year ago) link

It was easy to avoid whatever grunge was if you didn't have MTV. Thst stuff barely grazed the pop chart.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:13 (one year ago) link

Yeah I donā€™t totally get this historical revision that grunge was mega mainstreamā€¦ it was called alternative radio, folks

brimstead, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:15 (one year ago) link

nothing else to offer, but this was also me-

most of my musical tastes and interests can be traced quite neatly back to becoming an obsessive music fan at the height of grunge, and *hating* grunge.

not everything is for everyone, but it was only (and still is) the grunge fans who project/ed the idea that "THIS MUSIC MATTERS" and i just didn't "get it man."

(meanwhile, i got absolutely ridiculed for being into "shook ones" and outkast. hate to say i was right all along, but uhh.)

my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:22 (one year ago) link

I dunno Pearl Jam Ten sold 13 million, The Chronic sold 5.7

also MTV was a part of mainstream teen pop culture, I don't care if anyone likes grunge but this seems like a particularly silly argument

there were also like tons of kids who were listening to both!

Also ā€œhistorical revision that grunge was mega mainstreamā€ seems to be in response to something nobody said

michel goindry (wins), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:26 (one year ago) link

Grunge was great at its best, like any other genre. Some genuine classic groups and albums and musicians. Been revisiting a bunch of it lately. Imo a lot of it sounds so much better even now.

omar little, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:27 (one year ago) link

yeah sorry "historical revision" is wrong. tbf i can't think of anything more boring than invoking chart positions or w/e but def remember hearing Alice in Chains on z100. xxp

No, š˜'š˜® Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:29 (one year ago) link

By "pop charts" I meant "Billboard top 40." Sorry.

I sympathize with Austin because I discovered Pulp in what I thought was a "reaction" to grunge despite liking a lot of Soundgarden and later Pearl Jam.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:30 (one year ago) link

Austin, I think yr wrong, and frankly cloaking yr distaste in contemporary language of ā€œwokenessā€ doesnā€™t make your point any stronger, sorry.

Also expect pushback since what you said is controversial.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:33 (one year ago) link

Amazing how people who like the worst music in the world will get up in a huff about a great band like Green River

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:34 (one year ago) link

Also ā€œhistorical revision that grunge was mega mainstreamā€ seems to be in response to something nobody said


oh fuck off dude, itā€™s stuff that people outside of ilx have been talking about too, seriously fuck off with your police bullshit

brimstead, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:35 (one year ago) link

so many jackoffs on this board.

brimstead, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:35 (one year ago) link

it all seems like easy listening for meglomaniacs and narcissists

how old are you?

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:36 (one year ago) link

Nobody said this! Straw man point awarded!!!!

brimstead, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:36 (one year ago) link

til liking smooth jazz is woke

my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:37 (one year ago) link

i also like smooth jazz you fucking asshole

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:38 (one year ago) link

omar otm, like all genres thereā€™s good and bad, which is pretty much what i said in my response before being lumped in with some strawman of a flannel-bedecked toxic racist

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:39 (one year ago) link

lotta post flagging itt

ian, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:40 (one year ago) link

Amazing how people who like the worst music in the world will get up in a huff about a great band like Green River

ā€• Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, May 7, 2023 5:34 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lmao this has gotta be a joke right

ian, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:42 (one year ago) link

WoRsT muSiC in thE WoRlDDD stfu you arrogant child

ian, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:43 (one year ago) link

how old are you?

old enough to know that age doesn't invalidate someone's opinion.

Also expect pushback since what you said is controversial.

phew! thought i was posting on the "hey everyone agrees with me, right?" thread for a sec.

my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:43 (one year ago) link

Thread doing its job afaict.

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:44 (one year ago) link

and i didn't want to start such a vitriolic thing here. controp means controp and mine is that some shit should be erased.

my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:45 (one year ago) link

Thinking that certain genres are for narcissists is certainly a challenging opinion.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:45 (one year ago) link

WoRsT muSiC in thE WoRlDDD stfu you arrogant child


What do you think Iā€™m referring to? I bet itā€™s not what you think it is.

Austin is the one being arrogant, proposing wiping out an entire genre of music.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:47 (one year ago) link

I'm always bummed out when I remember just how many of the great singers of the genre are no longer with us. I mean all of the best ones except for Eddie vedder. Or so it seems.

omar little, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:48 (one year ago) link

i also like smooth jazz you fucking asshole

board description?

jmm, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:50 (one year ago) link

there were also like tons of kids who were listening to both!

ā€• Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, May 7, 2023 10:23 AM

also this is a fair and valid point and i fully concede that it is possible to appreciate both sides respectfully and evenly.

but i'm biased af, so ĀÆ\_ (惄)_/ĀÆ

my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:50 (one year ago) link

_i also like smooth jazz you fucking asshole_


board description?


this made me laugh

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:50 (one year ago) link

oh fuck off dude, itā€™s stuff that people outside of ilx have been talking about too

lol ok silly me

michel goindry (wins), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:51 (one year ago) link

look im flannel-bedecked and i take shit from no one

mark s, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:52 (one year ago) link

You know what, there are way too many genres of music. There should only be like, 4. Grunge shouldn't get to be considered an entire genre of music. Rock probably shouldn't be either.

No, š˜'š˜® Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:53 (one year ago) link

What a harsh realm

michel goindry (wins), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:55 (one year ago) link

You know what, there are way too many genres of music. There should only be like, 4. Grunge shouldn't get to be considered an entire genre of music. Rock probably shouldn't be either.

^^^quality controp. word to yusef lateef; jazz doesn't exist.

my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:58 (one year ago) link

also this is a fair and valid point and i fully concede that it is possible to appreciate both sides respectfully and evenly.

but i'm biased af, so ĀÆ\_ (惄)_/ĀÆ


I simply donā€™t get how anyone can write off a whole genreā€” even a subgenre like grunge. Listen to and prefer whatever you like but it seems really closeminded and bizarre to me to write off something so broad.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:59 (one year ago) link

i actually can't stand smooth jazz ... now there's a genre that's probably more popular among megalomaniacs and narcissists than grunge ... though maybe it's a generational thing?

sarahell, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:59 (one year ago) link

Thereā€™s only folk music, art music, dvd pop music THATS IT

ian, Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:00 (one year ago) link

We play both kinds of music: vaporw and ave

michel goindry (wins), Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:01 (one year ago) link

xp otm

No, š˜'š˜® Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:01 (one year ago) link

Austin is the one being arrogant, proposing wiping out an entire genre of music.

ā€• Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, May 7, 2023 10:47 AM

genuine question: are you equating my proposal of erasing grunge to, like, "woke cancel culture gone mad" or... ?

i'm genuinely confused by your mention of "wokeness" in this context. please expound.

my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:02 (one year ago) link

I'm sympathetic to the idea that there's good in all subgenres but otoh there is swingbeat.

Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:03 (one year ago) link

i actually can't stand smooth jazz ... now there's a genre that's probably more popular among megalomaniacs and narcissists than grunge ... though maybe it's a generational thing?

ā€• sarahell, Sunday, May 7, 2023 10:59 AM

the real culture war!

(but honestly, good point! this is the sort of stuff that needs anthropological studies imo)

my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:04 (one year ago) link

probably related to this:

yeah i hate all that bullshit, table. it's all very trash. sorry?

why? idk, lack of dynamics, tunnel vision syndrome, distaste for diversity. it all seems like easy listening for meglomaniacs and narcissists. i understand not everything needs to be a melting pot, but enough is enough with dudes chugging shittily away at guitars and talking about pseudo philosophy.

sarahell, Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:05 (one year ago) link

disliking a popular genre is having a controversial opinion, implying that anyone who does like that music has some sort of pathology crosses the line to dickhead behavior

ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:06 (one year ago) link

xp- though in reality, people could probably come up with examples of music that they would categorize as "smooth jazz" (e.g. Sade) that I like, and then we'd have the moving goalposts discussion of "well, that's not actually the genre I hate" ... but in general, I find it painful to listen to

sarahell, Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:08 (one year ago) link

but that's always how i've felt about it?

(to quote a smarter person than myself, "i stay woke." apparently?)

my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:08 (one year ago) link

Sade isā€¦ notā€¦ jazz? Though?

ian, Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:09 (one year ago) link


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