didn't we already get rid of grunge actual 25 years ago?
i totally get where Austin is coming from. most of my musical tastes and interests can be traced quite neatly back to becoming an obsessive music fan at the height of grunge, and *hating* grunge.
like, we obviously had to get rid of white dudes chugging shittily away at guitars because grunge turned into the dumbest thing ever made. but rock and pop used to be cross-pollinating currents at one time, right? did we fuck up?
― No, š'š® Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:11 (one year ago) link
It was easy to avoid whatever grunge was if you didn't have MTV. Thst stuff barely grazed the pop chart.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:13 (one year ago) link
Yeah I donāt totally get this historical revision that grunge was mega mainstreamā¦ it was called alternative radio, folks
― brimstead, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:15 (one year ago) link
nothing else to offer, but this was also me-
most of my musical tastes and interests can be traced quite neatly back to becoming an obsessive music fan at the height of grunge, and *hating* grunge.
not everything is for everyone, but it was only (and still is) the grunge fans who project/ed the idea that "THIS MUSIC MATTERS" and i just didn't "get it man."
(meanwhile, i got absolutely ridiculed for being into "shook ones" and outkast. hate to say i was right all along, but uhh.)
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:22 (one year ago) link
I dunno Pearl Jam Ten sold 13 million, The Chronic sold 5.7also MTV was a part of mainstream teen pop culture, I don't care if anyone likes grunge but this seems like a particularly silly argument
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:22 (one year ago) link
there were also like tons of kids who were listening to both!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:23 (one year ago) link
Also āhistorical revision that grunge was mega mainstreamā seems to be in response to something nobody said
― michel goindry (wins), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:26 (one year ago) link
Grunge was great at its best, like any other genre. Some genuine classic groups and albums and musicians. Been revisiting a bunch of it lately. Imo a lot of it sounds so much better even now.
― omar little, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:27 (one year ago) link
yeah sorry "historical revision" is wrong. tbf i can't think of anything more boring than invoking chart positions or w/e but def remember hearing Alice in Chains on z100. xxp
― No, š'š® Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:29 (one year ago) link
By "pop charts" I meant "Billboard top 40." Sorry.
I sympathize with Austin because I discovered Pulp in what I thought was a "reaction" to grunge despite liking a lot of Soundgarden and later Pearl Jam.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:30 (one year ago) link
Austin, I think yr wrong, and frankly cloaking yr distaste in contemporary language of āwokenessā doesnāt make your point any stronger, sorry. Also expect pushback since what you said is controversial.
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:33 (one year ago) link
Amazing how people who like the worst music in the world will get up in a huff about a great band like Green River
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:34 (one year ago) link
― brimstead, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:35 (one year ago) link
so many jackoffs on this board.
it all seems like easy listening for meglomaniacs and narcissists
how old are you?
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:36 (one year ago) link
Nobody said this! Straw man point awarded!!!!
― brimstead, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:36 (one year ago) link
til liking smooth jazz is woke
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:37 (one year ago) link
i also like smooth jazz you fucking asshole
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:38 (one year ago) link
omar otm, like all genres thereās good and bad, which is pretty much what i said in my response before being lumped in with some strawman of a flannel-bedecked toxic racist
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:39 (one year ago) link
lotta post flagging itt
― ian, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:40 (one year ago) link
ā Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, May 7, 2023 5:34 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
lmao this has gotta be a joke right
― ian, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:42 (one year ago) link
WoRsT muSiC in thE WoRlDDD stfu you arrogant child
― ian, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:43 (one year ago) link
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― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:43 (one year ago) link
Also expect pushback since what you said is controversial.
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:43 (one year ago) link
Thread doing its job afaict.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:44 (one year ago) link
and i didn't want to start such a vitriolic thing here. controp means controp and mine is that some shit should be erased.
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:45 (one year ago) link
Thinking that certain genres are for narcissists is certainly a challenging opinion.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:45 (one year ago) link
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:47 (one year ago) link
I'm always bummed out when I remember just how many of the great singers of the genre are no longer with us. I mean all of the best ones except for Eddie vedder. Or so it seems.
― omar little, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:48 (one year ago) link
board description?
― jmm, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:50 (one year ago) link
there were also like tons of kids who were listening to both!ā Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, May 7, 2023 10:23 AM
ā Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, May 7, 2023 10:23 AM
also this is a fair and valid point and i fully concede that it is possible to appreciate both sides respectfully and evenly.
but i'm biased af, so ĀÆ\_ (ć)_/ĀÆ
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:50 (one year ago) link
_i also like smooth jazz you fucking asshole_board description?
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:50 (one year ago) link
oh fuck off dude, itās stuff that people outside of ilx have been talking about toolol ok silly me
― michel goindry (wins), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:51 (one year ago) link
look im flannel-bedecked and i take shit from no one
― mark s, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:52 (one year ago) link
You know what, there are way too many genres of music. There should only be like, 4. Grunge shouldn't get to be considered an entire genre of music. Rock probably shouldn't be either.
― No, š'š® Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:53 (one year ago) link
What a harsh realm
― michel goindry (wins), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:55 (one year ago) link
^^^quality controp. word to yusef lateef; jazz doesn't exist.
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:58 (one year ago) link
also this is a fair and valid point and i fully concede that it is possible to appreciate both sides respectfully and evenly.but i'm biased af, so ĀÆ\_ (ć)_/ĀÆ
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:59 (one year ago) link
i actually can't stand smooth jazz ... now there's a genre that's probably more popular among megalomaniacs and narcissists than grunge ... though maybe it's a generational thing?
― sarahell, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:59 (one year ago) link
Thereās only folk music, art music, dvd pop music THATS IT
― ian, Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:00 (one year ago) link
We play both kinds of music: vaporw and ave
― michel goindry (wins), Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:01 (one year ago) link
xp otm
― No, š'š® Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:01 (one year ago) link
Austin is the one being arrogant, proposing wiping out an entire genre of music.ā Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, May 7, 2023 10:47 AM
ā Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, May 7, 2023 10:47 AM
genuine question: are you equating my proposal of erasing grunge to, like, "woke cancel culture gone mad" or... ?
i'm genuinely confused by your mention of "wokeness" in this context. please expound.
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:02 (one year ago) link
I'm sympathetic to the idea that there's good in all subgenres but otoh there is swingbeat.
― Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:03 (one year ago) link
i actually can't stand smooth jazz ... now there's a genre that's probably more popular among megalomaniacs and narcissists than grunge ... though maybe it's a generational thing?ā sarahell, Sunday, May 7, 2023 10:59 AM
ā sarahell, Sunday, May 7, 2023 10:59 AM
the real culture war!
(but honestly, good point! this is the sort of stuff that needs anthropological studies imo)
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:04 (one year ago) link
probably related to this:
yeah i hate all that bullshit, table. it's all very trash. sorry?why? idk, lack of dynamics, tunnel vision syndrome, distaste for diversity. it all seems like easy listening for meglomaniacs and narcissists. i understand not everything needs to be a melting pot, but enough is enough with dudes chugging shittily away at guitars and talking about pseudo philosophy.
why? idk, lack of dynamics, tunnel vision syndrome, distaste for diversity. it all seems like easy listening for meglomaniacs and narcissists. i understand not everything needs to be a melting pot, but enough is enough with dudes chugging shittily away at guitars and talking about pseudo philosophy.
― sarahell, Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:05 (one year ago) link
disliking a popular genre is having a controversial opinion, implying that anyone who does like that music has some sort of pathology crosses the line to dickhead behavior
― ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:06 (one year ago) link
xp- though in reality, people could probably come up with examples of music that they would categorize as "smooth jazz" (e.g. Sade) that I like, and then we'd have the moving goalposts discussion of "well, that's not actually the genre I hate" ... but in general, I find it painful to listen to
― sarahell, Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:08 (one year ago) link
but that's always how i've felt about it?
(to quote a smarter person than myself, "i stay woke." apparently?)
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:08 (one year ago) link
Sade isā¦ notā¦ jazz? Though?
― ian, Sunday, 7 May 2023 18:09 (one year ago) link