Post a controversial music opinion

tell us what you know about “grunge” then.

frankly anyone posting “get rid of (entire genre of music)” should be prepared to say why.

Do you like Green River? How about the Melvins? What about Mudhoney? or the bands often listed as inspiration to these groups, like Scratch Acid, the Buttholes, Fang, or Black Flag? The Pixies?

if it’s just about hating Pearl Jam and Soundgarden, whatever, have at it, but the nebulousness of the term “grunge” make your words fighting ones, afaic.

yeah i hate all that bullshit, table. it's all very trash. sorry?

why? idk, lack of dynamics, tunnel vision syndrome, distaste for diversity. it all seems like easy listening for meglomaniacs and narcissists. i understand not everything needs to be a melting pot, but enough is enough with dudes chugging shittily away at guitars and talking about pseudo philosophy.

90s smooth jazz offers more choices afaict.

didn't we already get rid of grunge actual 25 years ago?

i totally get where Austin is coming from. most of my musical tastes and interests can be traced quite neatly back to becoming an obsessive music fan at the height of grunge, and *hating* grunge.

like, we obviously had to get rid of white dudes chugging shittily away at guitars because grunge turned into the dumbest thing ever made. but rock and pop used to be cross-pollinating currents at one time, right? did we fuck up?

It was easy to avoid whatever grunge was if you didn't have MTV. Thst stuff barely grazed the pop chart.

Yeah I don’t totally get this historical revision that grunge was mega mainstream… it was called alternative radio, folks

nothing else to offer, but this was also me-

most of my musical tastes and interests can be traced quite neatly back to becoming an obsessive music fan at the height of grunge, and *hating* grunge.

not everything is for everyone, but it was only (and still is) the grunge fans who project/ed the idea that "THIS MUSIC MATTERS" and i just didn't "get it man."

(meanwhile, i got absolutely ridiculed for being into "shook ones" and outkast. hate to say i was right all along, but uhh.)

I dunno Pearl Jam Ten sold 13 million, The Chronic sold 5.7

also MTV was a part of mainstream teen pop culture, I don't care if anyone likes grunge but this seems like a particularly silly argument

there were also like tons of kids who were listening to both!

Also “historical revision that grunge was mega mainstream” seems to be in response to something nobody said

Grunge was great at its best, like any other genre. Some genuine classic groups and albums and musicians. Been revisiting a bunch of it lately. Imo a lot of it sounds so much better even now.

yeah sorry "historical revision" is wrong. tbf i can't think of anything more boring than invoking chart positions or w/e but def remember hearing Alice in Chains on z100. xxp

By "pop charts" I meant "Billboard top 40." Sorry.

I sympathize with Austin because I discovered Pulp in what I thought was a "reaction" to grunge despite liking a lot of Soundgarden and later Pearl Jam.

Austin, I think yr wrong, and frankly cloaking yr distaste in contemporary language of “wokeness” doesn’t make your point any stronger, sorry.

Also expect pushback since what you said is controversial.

Amazing how people who like the worst music in the world will get up in a huff about a great band like Green River

Also “historical revision that grunge was mega mainstream” seems to be in response to something nobody said

so many jackoffs on this board.

it all seems like easy listening for meglomaniacs and narcissists

how old are you?

Nobody said this! Straw man point awarded!!!!

til liking smooth jazz is woke

i also like smooth jazz you fucking asshole

omar otm, like all genres there’s good and bad, which is pretty much what i said in my response before being lumped in with some strawman of a flannel-bedecked toxic racist

lotta post flagging itt

Amazing how people who like the worst music in the world will get up in a huff about a great band like Green River

― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, May 7, 2023 5:34 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lmao this has gotta be a joke right

WoRsT muSiC in thE WoRlDDD stfu you arrogant child

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how old are you?

Also expect pushback since what you said is controversial.

Thread doing its job afaict.

and i didn't want to start such a vitriolic thing here. controp means controp and mine is that some shit should be erased.

Thinking that certain genres are for narcissists is certainly a challenging opinion.

WoRsT muSiC in thE WoRlDDD stfu you arrogant child

I'm always bummed out when I remember just how many of the great singers of the genre are no longer with us. I mean all of the best ones except for Eddie vedder. Or so it seems.

i also like smooth jazz you fucking asshole

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there were also like tons of kids who were listening to both!

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, May 7, 2023 10:23 AM

also this is a fair and valid point and i fully concede that it is possible to appreciate both sides respectfully and evenly.

but i'm biased af, so ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯

_i also like smooth jazz you fucking asshole_


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oh fuck off dude, it’s stuff that people outside of ilx have been talking about too

lol ok silly me

look im flannel-bedecked and i take shit from no one

You know what, there are way too many genres of music. There should only be like, 4. Grunge shouldn't get to be considered an entire genre of music. Rock probably shouldn't be either.

What a harsh realm

You know what, there are way too many genres of music. There should only be like, 4. Grunge shouldn't get to be considered an entire genre of music. Rock probably shouldn't be either.

^^^quality controp. word to yusef lateef; jazz doesn't exist.

also this is a fair and valid point and i fully concede that it is possible to appreciate both sides respectfully and evenly.

but i'm biased af, so ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯

i actually can't stand smooth jazz ... now there's a genre that's probably more popular among megalomaniacs and narcissists than grunge ... though maybe it's a generational thing?

There’s only folk music, art music, dvd pop music THATS IT

We play both kinds of music: vaporw and ave

xp otm

Austin is the one being arrogant, proposing wiping out an entire genre of music.

― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, May 7, 2023 10:47 AM

genuine question: are you equating my proposal of erasing grunge to, like, "woke cancel culture gone mad" or... ?

i'm genuinely confused by your mention of "wokeness" in this context. please expound.

I'm sympathetic to the idea that there's good in all subgenres but otoh there is swingbeat.

i actually can't stand smooth jazz ... now there's a genre that's probably more popular among megalomaniacs and narcissists than grunge ... though maybe it's a generational thing?

― sarahell, Sunday, May 7, 2023 10:59 AM

the real culture war!

(but honestly, good point! this is the sort of stuff that needs anthropological studies imo)

probably related to this:

yeah i hate all that bullshit, table. it's all very trash. sorry?

why? idk, lack of dynamics, tunnel vision syndrome, distaste for diversity. it all seems like easy listening for meglomaniacs and narcissists. i understand not everything needs to be a melting pot, but enough is enough with dudes chugging shittily away at guitars and talking about pseudo philosophy.