I guess so!
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 4 May 2023 23:51 (eleven months ago) link
Maybe I'm an idealist, but I'll choose Ray Davies. I'm like the lovers he writes about in one of his memoirs, who complain that he isn't like the characters in his songs; he tells them, "songs aren't real life".
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 8 May 2023 01:00 (eleven months ago) link
Mick - Bit of a right-wing prick by all accounts
Prick, yes. Not right wing.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 May 2023 01:06 (eleven months ago) link
fwiw
Rock legend Mick Jagger has made a rare entry into the war that is modern politics by attacking US President Donald Trump for his rudeness, lies and for "tearing apart" environment controls in America.
The Rolling Stones singer said he was "absolutely behind" young climate change activists who had earlier occupied the red carpet at the Venice film festival, where he was starring in the psychological thriller, The Burnt Orange Heresy.
Jagger said he deplored how politics has descended into name-calling, "including in my own country this week" - a reference to British Prime Minister Boris Johnson comparing opposition Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn to a "big girl's blouse" and a "chlorinated chicken".
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 May 2023 01:07 (eleven months ago) link
To bring it full circle, here’s a Prince Charles sketch from an SNL episode that featured Mick as the musical guest (though sadly he doesn’t appear in this):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwrzj_oMZ7c
― birdistheword, Monday, 8 May 2023 04:33 (eleven months ago) link
I was wrong - he DOES appear in it
― birdistheword, Monday, 8 May 2023 04:35 (eleven months ago) link
Oh please, he's been a Tory for years. You can be right wing and dislike Trump... and Boris Johnson btw... support the right of climate activists to protest etc etc.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Monday, 8 May 2023 08:42 (eleven months ago) link
To be fair, standards are very different in the UK. In the US, if you supported efforts to stop climate change and actively opposed Trump, the GOP would brand you a RINO. But as others have pointed out, U.S. Democrats are broadly equivalent to mainstream conservative parties in Europe. (In terms of actual policy, even Cameron was in a lot of ways to the left of Obama.)
― birdistheword, Monday, 8 May 2023 08:58 (eleven months ago) link
Agreed, he's a Tory prick.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Monday, 8 May 2023 09:00 (eleven months ago) link
Fair!
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 May 2023 09:21 (eleven months ago) link
he's an English multimillionaire with a mansion in Richmond who doesn't like paying taxes, there isn't way to cut that says he isn't a Tory cunt!
― calzino, Monday, 8 May 2023 09:33 (eleven months ago) link
A good litmus test for finding out if someone's a tory is just googling their name + margaret thatcher, to wit:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/shortcuts/2013/jun/12/mick-jagger-admiration-margaret-thatcher
Sadly this method also proves Ilhan Omar is a tory, sorry but rules are rules.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 8 May 2023 10:13 (eleven months ago) link
A better litmus test: he can't understand why anyone loathed Thatcher.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 May 2023 10:17 (eleven months ago) link
A better test for Jagger is to grit your teeth and try to make it thru his Top of the Pops performance of Let's Work
― contrapuntal aversion (Noodle Vague), Monday, 8 May 2023 11:39 (eleven months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlXnJgJJzck
― contrapuntal aversion (Noodle Vague), Monday, 8 May 2023 11:40 (eleven months ago) link
You're sitting down on your buttAnd you get greedyYou start to lose your nutsDon't you look seedy?Can generosityBring you humility?
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 May 2023 11:44 (eleven months ago) link
Co-written by Norman Tebbit.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Monday, 8 May 2023 11:47 (eleven months ago) link
Can’t be long before Bryan Ferry is knighted.
― Dan Worsley, Monday, 8 May 2023 11:49 (eleven months ago) link
when your musical persona is that of a decadent world weary playboy I don't think anyone gets to be too disappointed you're not a comrade irl I think
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 8 May 2023 11:52 (eleven months ago) link
his stint the new left's rocker of choice circa 68-69 is so funny/sad/baffling to think about now but I assume he never really believed in anything except mick jagger
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Monday, 8 May 2023 11:56 (eleven months ago) link
he did explicitly position himself as a comrade for like a minute and it was good for his brand until it wasn't. not that it wasn't incredibly naive to believe him
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Monday, 8 May 2023 12:01 (eleven months ago) link
Craig Brown's book One On One includes an account of Tom Driberg's attempts in the late 60s to convince Jagger to either become a Labour MP, or later to set up a new party with him.
― he thinks it's chinese money (soref), Monday, 8 May 2023 12:17 (eleven months ago) link
Left, Bryan Ferry did? When?
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 8 May 2023 12:38 (eleven months ago) link
No, Jagger.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Monday, 8 May 2023 12:40 (eleven months ago) link
Ah ok. I guess my description could work for Jagger too but I meant Ferry.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 8 May 2023 12:41 (eleven months ago) link
Jagger was at Grosvenor Square in '68, wrote "Street Fighting Man" for Tariq Ali etc.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Monday, 8 May 2023 12:45 (eleven months ago) link
One the earliest exponents of radical chic I'd say.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Monday, 8 May 2023 12:46 (eleven months ago) link
Didn't Mick singlehandedly free Angela Davis with that song about her?
― Josefa, Monday, 8 May 2023 13:57 (eleven months ago) link
Misread the thread question and voted Geldof because I dislike him the most. Now that I've actually looked at the question, I don't think I'm disappointed by anyone on this list because I'm not surprised by any of them. I mean, even Jagger's rock-star persona may be superficially anti-establishment but has always had a strong element of "kid who did all the work on the group project and wants the teacher to know." He's not someone I'd expect to turn down honors of any kind.
― Lily Dale, Monday, 8 May 2023 14:33 (eleven months ago) link
Didn't the queen refuse to be around to do the honours (literally) for Mick?
Anyway, don't care about knighthoods, so not disappointed in any. If John Rot had been offered and accepted, I still would not care. Beyond, of course, the indignant sending theirs back because they felt undervalued now. Good.
― Mark G, Monday, 8 May 2023 15:48 (eleven months ago) link
sorry I thought you meant jagger but it works for either xps
I don't know think anyone could reasonably expect better enough of any of these people to justify being disappointed with them on this issue
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Monday, 8 May 2023 16:02 (eleven months ago) link
def mick for me
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Monday, 8 May 2023 16:05 (eleven months ago) link
I have cherished Jagger's delivery of his line in that SNL sketch forever, it's amazing. Geldof gets my vote, he's from Dublin, how could he.
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 8 May 2023 16:37 (eleven months ago) link
tb(somewhat)f to Geldof he's lived in the UK for decades and has been married and raised families here, what's Bono's excuse?
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Monday, 8 May 2023 16:41 (eleven months ago) link
Apparently there's also Sir Karl Jenkins of Nucleus/Soft Machine, presumably nominated for subsequent classical-type composing stuff. Meanwhile Mike Ratledge goes unacknowledged.
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 10 May 2023 14:10 (eleven months ago) link
SORRY THE WEIRD GUY AT THE CORONATION WAS KARL JENKINS?!?!? AND HE IS NOW A KNIGHT OF THE REALM?!?!?!
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 16:41 (eleven months ago) link
i: meghan markle was in soft machine ii: sir karl william *PAMP* jenkins cbe, fram, honFLSW
― mark s, Wednesday, 10 May 2023 16:55 (eleven months ago) link
it does make a lot of sense that the man responsible for this terrible album would be at the coronationhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/29/LandCockayne.jpg
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 17:21 (eleven months ago) link
I'm surprised Clapton hasn't been knighted - it's not like he can do worse at this point.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 10 May 2023 19:40 (eleven months ago) link
Townshend doesn't even have an OBE - I mean, Jimmy Page has one so it can't purely be down to a debauched rock and roll lifestyle. There is the little matter of Townshend research materials though.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 20:07 (eleven months ago) link
Gilmour has a CBE, Waters has nothing - I assume they know better than to ask him.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 20:08 (eleven months ago) link
Ian Anderson has an MBE, Jon Anderson has nothing.
Phil Collins has something called an LVO, Peter Gabriel has nothing.
... this could go on all night.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 20:12 (eleven months ago) link
[There is the little matter of Townshend research materials though
yeah the royal family would want to avoid any associations with pedophilia
― contrapuntal aversion (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 May 2023 20:42 (eleven months ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Thursday, 11 May 2023 00:01 (eleven months ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Friday, 12 May 2023 00:01 (eleven months ago) link
Lest we forget...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Fletcher
Fletcher was appointed Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) in the 2014 New Years Honours list for services to competition and consumer economics and Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE) in the 2020 Birthday Honours for services to the economy.[9]
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Friday, 19 May 2023 10:01 (ten months ago) link
wouldve been a K but the committee relistened to hefner's we love the city and said no
― mark s, Friday, 19 May 2023 10:08 (ten months ago) link
Amelia Fletcher CBTwee
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Friday, 19 May 2023 10:18 (ten months ago) link
Think if you're a senior civil servant those just come with the job, would be interested to ask her about it though.
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 19 May 2023 10:19 (ten months ago) link