Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees 2023

they went to 3-year-old martin for lyrical advice on murmur

Maiden is a global stadium-sized band, if they get in it's hardly through a back door?

they went to 3-year-old martin for lyrical advice on murmur

Evidently. "Gumby in...Gumby in...Gumby into town..."

Lol

Hah, yeah, "always went to them" isn't exactly accurate.

Re: Wyman, I double-checked to be sure, but he actually listed George Michael as one of the major omissions from the HOF when he first wrote that article. To be fair it doesn't mean he's personally a fan, but I guess that'll be clear when he updates it.

DeRogatis is definitely a "rockist" - it's embarrassing how often he's trashed or dismissed artists from Missy Elliott to Kendrick Lamar on very dubious grounds, only to completely reverse himself a few years later without a word of what he used to think.

Here's the earliest Missy Elliott review that came up in the Sun-Times article:

While Missy Elliott wowed the music industry and the pop and hip-hop worlds with her 1997 debut "Supa Dupa Fly," her tough-talking female gangsta persona struck me as a caricature of genuinely tough and multidimensional women such as Queen Latifah and Yo-Yo. Elliott amplified the attitude, but dropped the substance, creating a straight-faced alternative to Lil' Kim or Foxy Brown. And then she was universally hailed for this dubious accomplishment.

On her second disc, the chinks in her armor are obvious. Much as she claims she's in control of her life, art and business, producer Timbaland is the loudest voice here; his poppy, riff-crazed musical flavor is not a particularly inspired or original one. Factor in the wealth of cameos (by Da Brat, Eminem, Redman, Aaliyah and others) and you'll find yourself asking: Where the heck is Missy Elliott on this Missy Elliott album?

She pops up here and there, asking such charming questions as: "Would you still be in love, baby, if I cut your throat?" It's all tired posturing_empowering only in the sense that it proves that women rappers can be just as empty-headed as their male counterparts.

By 2005, he's praising Elliott and Timbaland as "one of the most groundbreaking pairings in hip-hop history."

Having said that, I don't think Greg Kot's in the same boat, mainly because it was his arguments with DeRogatis on WXRT that made it painfully obvious how doctrinal DeRogatis was about his idea of "rock." Not just a lot of hip-hop, but Dionne Warwick or anything country beyond Johnny Cash would be a point of contention. It was amusing considering how the show's intro emphasized that Kot was the ROCK critic for the Tribune and DeRogatis was the POP critic for the Sun-Times. The one phrase that stuck out for me was when DeRogatis dismissed Kot's defense of a pop-oriented recording with "I listen to ROCK & ROLL! What do YOU listen to?"

* the Sun-Times archive

haven't we been over this already?

Apparently we have - three months ago according to a quick search of this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgEGRCGO6c4

Love this

so cool!

it was a pretty great ceremony start to finish i thought

New Edition tribute to Spinners was neat

Would have enjoyed an impromptu Andrew Ridgely / jimmy page theramin jam

12 string double neck SG was a real touch of class

but also here’s my question: if he’s playing the whole song on the 12, why do you even need the twin neck? does he just prefer to do it for showoff reasons? is he no longer able to play single neck?
seems v dumb & unnecessary to me

I asked myself the same q. I think it’s because he’s comfortable with the SG and is historically associated with it.

Strange because it’s more of a 6 string thing, he even notes this in his speech

also that

Adam Levine shouldn't be allowed near George Michael songs

100%

miguel does such a beautiful version (sax aside) and then Levine drops that normcore turd like ugh please get lost dude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMIRV3ABRTg

Moby Wray

Adam Levine shouldn't be allowed near George Michael songs

Adam Levine shouldn't be allowed near George Michael songs

lol

but also here’s my question: if he’s playing the whole song on the 12, why do you even need the twin neck? does he just prefer to do it for showoff reasons? is he no longer able to play single neck?
seems v dumb & unnecessary to me

― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, November 5, 2023 2:02 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

i think it's just for people, it's the classic page thing, in the video i saw (phone video from a different angle) dudes were like yelling THE DOUBLE NECK! THE DOUBLE NECK! YES! lol it's just rock n roll fun

lmao ok fair enough but also: deep eyeroll

i mean what is zeppelin if not awesome ridiculousness?

it's also weird he's doing it on 12 string because that's way harder to play and the song as you said was a six string song

He even flubs the walkdown, typical live Jimmy

i know i know Page is parodying himself st this point but i see him so rarely now i forget what a dork he is

sidebar: the other night i saw the video for Coverdale Page’s “Take Me Me For A Little While” and Page was playing that stupid fucking guitar-harp monstrosity with a straight face … sheer nonsense lol

Oh wow, when the guitar-harp is only the fifth or sixth-most ridiculous thing in your video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-ooOf_rih0

That song is heinous but at least the solo redeems it a little. Not sure why he’s on a lift in the video

not sure why almost anything in that video tbh

Here's who is newly eligible this year, allegedly: https://futurerocklegends.com/Year/2024/

50 Cent
After Forever
Annie
Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti
Bad Meets Evil
BBMak
Biffy Clyro
Black Label Society
Blue Man Group
Brad Paisley
Buckcherry
Calla
The Caretaker
Caretaker
Chevelle
Chris Cornell
CKY
Clipse
Coheed & Cambria
Dido
The Distillers
Drowning Pool
Elbow
Eve
Explosions in the Sky
Fantomas
Feist
Further Seems Forever
Gogol Bordello
Halestorm
High on Fire
Hot Hot Heat
Ill Niño
Ja Rule
Jason Mraz
Jennifer Lopez
Jessica Simpson
Joey McIntyre
John Mayer
John Paul Jones
Jordan Knight
Kelis
Laura Veirs
Le Tigre
Lil Wayne
Los Hermanos
Ludacris
M. Ward
Macy Gray
Mandy Moore
Mates of State
My Morning Jacket
Neal Morse
Phil Lesh and Friends
Phoenix
Pillar
Plain White Ts
Radio 4
Rilo Kiley
Röyksopp
Shaman's Harvest
The Shins
Sick Puppies
Sisqó
Sonata Arctica
Splender
Tal Bachman
Ted Leo & the Pharmacists
Tegan & Sara
Thursday
Trapt
UnderOath
Warhorse
Watain
Westlife

Okay I am voting for Blue Man Group

tal bachman in a walk

The Caretaker?

Lil Wayne would seem to cover commercial success/critical acclaim above and beyond...A couple of weeks ago, I heard the Pet Shop Boys on consecutive days out in the world: "What Have I Done to Deserve This?" in a mall record store, then "Always on My Mind" on the radio. I used to resign myself to the idea that they'll never go in because they're more of a British institution, and the HOF has a decided American slant. I've changed my mind on that. It's silly that the PSB aren't in. Will they get a second chance at some point?

I doubt Clipse, Phoenix, Rilo Kiley or The Shins will ever get in (and I'm not even sure any of them deserve to be inducted - only Clipse has made a truly great album IMHO), but I like enough of their stuff to vote for them. (Despite the taint of Garden State, the Shins have made two, maybe three albums I genuinely like.)

don't blame me, i voted for Plain White Ts

If New Order/Joy Division can get nominated together, why not their Canadian equivalent Randy and Tal?

Mates of State, wow. imagine making a list of bands eligible for the RNRHOF and including Mates of State.

that said, i've always though the hall needed more Mraz

That would be pretty awesome if Ted Leo & the Pharmacists get in. I don't think it'll ever happen - not even a nomination - but Leo just strikes me as one of the most decent guys in rock, and he's still doing it after all those years. The story about his wife's illness and everything he did to keep things afloat is moving. I still end up seeing him a lot because of his free shows and opening sets, and over the past eight years he's the only act I know who's managed to give thoughtful, intelligent and earnest pleas to his audience to politically engage without resorting to insults or working himself up into a rage-filled rant.

Feel like "The Caretaker" and "Caretaker" are gonna split the Caretaker vote.

Nobody seems like a slam dunk until Beyonce in 2028. (Kanye is also eligible that year, but I wonder now how that's going to go.)

does the hall have an old-timers' committee like baseball? They Might Be Giants should be in already!

I was trying to find the Harold Baines here, the absolutely average artist who might have the longevity and industry goodwill to make it, the Foo Fighters rule I suppose, but no one fits the bill.

(oh, I see Beyonce and Kanye are actually eligible in 2027 bc they released singles in 2002)

(xpost) That argument is basically made for Ted Leo just above. I don't think you can do that for this HOF. If you took all the reprobates (and much worse) out and started replacing them with good people, it'd be filled with, I don't know, Bruce Hornsby and the guy who sang "Good Morning Starshine." It wouldn't feel right.

Watching the (edited) 2023 Induction Ceremony on ABC…. Bernie Taupin’s digs at Wenner were widely reported, but I hadn’t read about how his comments (celebrating diversity at the ceremony) also featured a passionate defense of “pop”:

“Diversity in genres and styles is exciting and relevant. When it exactly was when the term ‘pop’ became a dirty word, I don’t know. (…) Every artist in this musical institution and every artist inducted on this stage tonight is pop(…).”

Missy was great and her speech was very affecting

Watain

Yeah no that’s never happening.