they're not automated bots, at the mercy of a pre programmed algorithm their dad activated obv
― omar little, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 17:58 (one year ago) link
logan had a seemingly extreme rough childhood, and you could say then his various abuses of his children is the continuation of the circle of abuse, which on some level it absolutely is, but also the show is always kind of messing with you provoking you to think of the kids as victims while showing you that theyre definitively not, theres a lot of that sort of thing going on like on the other hand making you want their comeuppance which will never come because theyre untouchable
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 18:03 (one year ago) link
rubbing it in our faces that were all so habituated to consuming various familiar slop, and we deserve it lol
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 18:04 (one year ago) link
watching everyone jockey for power is definitely a large part of the show's entertainment value, even if the interpersonal stuff and the traumatic subtext is what elevates the show above its peers. i can't imagine having a real rooting interest for any of these goons, but i enjoy some of those power rankings (hunter harris's are the best) because these arbitrarily shifting dynamics are very important to the characters themselves
― ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 2 May 2023 18:04 (one year ago) link
im sure ive said this a number of times but nothing has ever happened on the show the perceived power is meaningless, logan dying is the only real event
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 18:07 (one year ago) link
provoking you to think of the kids as victims while showing you that theyre definitively not
they are definitely victims, just victims with an incredible amount of power over nearly everyone in the world. i think the guiding theme behind succession is how these deep-seated personal issues become everybody's problem when you give them an unimaginable amount of money.
― ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 2 May 2023 18:08 (one year ago) link
so yes, they're victims, but if you feel bad for them, you're the sucker
Connor probably is the healthiest somehow, his romantic relationship is weird and on some levels vv fake but she also actually seems to genuinely like him on some other levels.
his relationship w/Logan was healthier too, in the relative sense. Logan always seemed more dismissive and exasperated by him rather than outright contemptuous and in constant battle. and Connor clearly handled his passing a lot better, but he had learned to live without him already.
― omar little, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 18:09 (one year ago) link
i think the guiding theme behind succession is how these deep-seated personal issues become everybody's problem when you give them an unimaginable amount of money.
― ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Tuesday, May 2, 2023 2:08 PM (nine seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
idk they never show the everyone whos problems theyve become obvs theyre implied but its almost always offscreen
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 18:10 (one year ago) link
i feel bad for the succession kids! they are trapped in hell
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 May 2023 18:15 (one year ago) link
i do feel bad for them. i think the pull of the show is having some empathy for their situation, bc you can see exactly how it fucks them up every step of the way. and of course absolute power corrupts, unimaginable wealth corrupts. it doesn't make them, as currently presented, good people. the tragedy is maybe they could have been at one point (the slim hope is someday maybe they could be but...seems unlikely right)
actually the one time the show felt a bit out of character was the very last scene of the very first episode, taking us away from the corridors of Roy power and into the home of the family who was working at their softball game, the million dollar bet kid watching TV etc. but it did give a sense of where the creators are coming from; those people don't care about anyone but themselves.
― omar little, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 18:15 (one year ago) link
theyre in hell voluntarily
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 18:16 (one year ago) link
one thing i really like about this show is that its not just a character study, not just a black box where the social stuff is incidental, i have on occasion intersected with the super wealthy and theres something that they just absolute nailed there, kendalls performance particularly, its not just a set for a psychological drama its trying to depict a real thing
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 18:20 (one year ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, May 2, 2023 11:16 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
and they've also been surrounded by this hell for their entire lives, and it is thus their entire lives, and i don't think they have a conception of life without it idk, not even shiv who clearly(? maybe i'm wrong) attempted to defect
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 May 2023 18:21 (one year ago) link
Oh yeah, maybe nothing really happens or changes in the eye of the hurricane, but we know that these machinations are rippling out to become the rest of the world's problems.
― Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 May 2023 18:22 (one year ago) link
it's like an abusive relationship, obviously you can just leave... but can you??? xp
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 May 2023 18:22 (one year ago) link
"like"
Shiv was in one-foot-out-the-door defection/rebellious mode at the beginning of the show but then as soon as the power play long game started in earnest she was back in.
― omar little, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 18:23 (one year ago) link
def, but i also wonder about that "bad place" she was in when she met tom
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 2 May 2023 18:24 (one year ago) link
im sorry the kids are a sell for me i dont like them theyre not serious
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 18:24 (one year ago) link
its not just a set for a psychological drama its trying to depict a real thing
― lag∞n, Tuesday, May 2, 2023 2:20 PM (0 seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
but in a very stylized way where everyone talks like a high end insult comic, pretty cool
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 18:25 (one year ago) link
― Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Tuesday, 2 May 2023 18:27 (one year ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, May 2, 2023 1:24 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
logan is right, they're not serious (logan...lagoon...hmm...), but their wealth makes it so people have to take them seriously. that's a big problem.
― ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 2 May 2023 18:33 (one year ago) link
the poor numbers guy, he really was trying to warn Kendall
― omar little, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 18:36 (one year ago) link
also idk but i think part of what makes the show compelling is the fact that these are people who are damaged in very human and touching ways, the awfulness is a symptom of the disease of their upbringing and their struggles with it, still trying to impress their awful and now-dead dad, chasing favor they'll never earn. i don't marvel at their pathetic-ness or evil, i want them to make it out of there somehow. a lesser show would just be a bit more gleeful at the prospect of their downfall, or reveling in sociopathic power grabs. it's a better show because while there's comedy to be mined from their amateurish endeavors and awkward interactions, it's ultimately not wholly mocking them or funneling them towards their deserved comeuppance. that's why for all its humor, it's a tragedy.
this, also whomever said Kendall gets quieter/goes inward instead of getting louder was otm
― a (waterface), Tuesday, 2 May 2023 18:37 (one year ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/may/02/succession-20-greatest-characters-ranked
Stewy below the likes of Hugo and Kerry is ridiculous
― nate woolls, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 21:33 (one year ago) link
what a silly article. gerri is a much better character than shiv and kendall, yes
― symsymsym, Wednesday, 3 May 2023 02:01 (one year ago) link
Logan’s youngest, smartest child and only daughter is shrewd, shark-eyed and fatally underestimated.
Who's youngest, Shiv or Roman?
― symsymsym, Wednesday, 3 May 2023 02:02 (one year ago) link
I thought Roman was youngest.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 3 May 2023 02:04 (one year ago) link
roman is middle i thought?
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 May 2023 02:31 (one year ago) link
re: latest episode, every time the show makes kendall do a base jump onstage in front of an audience it's a miracle, you legit have no idea how it's going to go. jeremy strong is amazing.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 May 2023 02:34 (one year ago) link
Shiv is the youngest, that's why Logan called her pinky. Fourth child/fourth finger.
― nate woolls, Wednesday, 3 May 2023 02:44 (one year ago) link
i thought it was cause shes pink in color
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 May 2023 02:46 (one year ago) link
Pinkish would make more sense in that case
― nate woolls, Wednesday, 3 May 2023 02:48 (one year ago) link
i thought pinky bc she’s a redhead
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 3 May 2023 03:06 (one year ago) link
I love Kendall's faux tough guy stuff. "can pinky dance?"
― omar little, Wednesday, 3 May 2023 03:40 (one year ago) link
It's been so long since the fact Kendall has children has in any way been acknowledged
― dicbo=v2-ubswizzb&hrt (stevie), Wednesday, 3 May 2023 08:39 (one year ago) link
They're almost like Chuck from Happy Days at this point
― dicbo=v2-ubswizzb&hrt (stevie), Wednesday, 3 May 2023 08:40 (one year ago) link
I wouldn't be surprised if he's not allowed to see them.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 3 May 2023 08:51 (one year ago) link
i do miss rava, the only normal person on the show
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 May 2023 08:55 (one year ago) link
feel like in one of the previews we see rava in an episode later on in the season. . . Kendall runs into her and says "I'm doing huge things*"
*Mind cocaine
― a (waterface), Wednesday, 3 May 2023 12:08 (one year ago) link
wonder how iverson is doing
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 May 2023 14:31 (one year ago) link
was just reading that Kendall's just separated from his wife still
he's the anti-Logan when it comes to personal relationships
― mh, Wednesday, 3 May 2023 14:35 (one year ago) link
Ken should have driven a big shoe onto stage like the birthday boy in the big skate at a roller rink.
― Enumerated funks of Walsh, Joe. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 3 May 2023 14:43 (one year ago) link
Yeah I wondered why Kendall's kids weren't at the wake
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 3 May 2023 14:51 (one year ago) link
Big shoes!Big shoes.Biiiig shoes. Big, big shoes
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 3 May 2023 16:08 (one year ago) link
big shoes
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 May 2023 16:19 (one year ago) link
maybe because Logan hit one of them in the face with a can??
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 3 May 2023 16:20 (one year ago) link
the kids were at their grandma's wedding iirc but that was the last time we saw them. I remember Logan asking one of them, "you know your dad's going to be all right, don't you?" or something. after Kendall's pool incident. probably not exactly what he said but close.
― omar little, Wednesday, 3 May 2023 16:24 (one year ago) link
Big, big shoes
Please, I am cringing into a cramped state.
Not much chance of that happening this time, though.
Maybe Rava just decided that they've had enough of potentially emotional Roy family gatherings for the moment.
― trishyb, Wednesday, 3 May 2023 16:48 (one year ago) link