It's a good call about 'night & day' - an unusual record for them, at the time.
And about ZOOROPA containing a bit less Bono Vox than usual.
― the pinefox, Monday, 24 April 2023 14:31 (one year ago) link
Alfred otm re: the Zooropa sequencing. "Lemon" would be jarring as the opening (or even just the second) track, but by the time it arrives, we're ready.
"Stay" and "The First Time" are the only songs on Zooropa that could have conceivably appeared on an earlier U2 record -- with minor changes to the arrangements -- but they still sound perfectly at home here.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 24 April 2023 14:32 (one year ago) link
It was downright baffling, at least for US listeners. The last big radio hit here was "Angel of Harlem," and "Night and Day" couldn't have been more of a 180.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 24 April 2023 14:34 (one year ago) link
I'll post what I posted on the U2 thread here too:
They tricked themselves eventually into thinking they'd been a rock band and that's what everyone wanted from them, but even their most "rock" albums were more devoted to the groove than any cliches of rock. Which isn't to say the argument about AB doesn't work, it's maybe correct, but I don't think the whole dance/ultramodern aspect was overstated. I do think it's fair to suggest that their image as a serious rock band obscured their true talents, ones already on display before that. There was a reason imo the '90s were so creatively good for them, right down to side projects and soundtrack songs.
I'd amend to say ambient music could be added to the groove part up there.
― omar little, Monday, 24 April 2023 14:39 (one year ago) link
Eno was the one who insisted on the inclusion of "The First One," which floored the band.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 April 2023 14:39 (one year ago) link
er, "The First Time" too
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 April 2023 14:40 (one year ago) link
zooropa is the most interesting u2 album at the very least
can make a case for achtung baby as their best due to it being a little more consistent etc. but i'd still probably take zooropa
― ufo, Monday, 24 April 2023 14:52 (one year ago) link
Gotta believe Eno's seemingly more involved participation in much of No Line on the Horizon is why imo the peaks of that LP are almost a '90s throwback (not "get on your boots" and a couple others obv)
― omar little, Monday, 24 April 2023 14:53 (one year ago) link
i'd be completely okay with erasing the existence of all things "grunge." really just complete trash tbh.
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 04:37 (one year ago) link
tell us what you know about “grunge” then.
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 11:32 (one year ago) link
frankly anyone posting “get rid of (entire genre of music)” should be prepared to say why.
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 11:36 (one year ago) link
Do you like Green River? How about the Melvins? What about Mudhoney? or the bands often listed as inspiration to these groups, like Scratch Acid, the Buttholes, Fang, or Black Flag? The Pixies? if it’s just about hating Pearl Jam and Soundgarden, whatever, have at it, but the nebulousness of the term “grunge” make your words fighting ones, afaic.
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 11:39 (one year ago) link
yeah i hate all that bullshit, table. it's all very trash. sorry?
why? idk, lack of dynamics, tunnel vision syndrome, distaste for diversity. it all seems like easy listening for meglomaniacs and narcissists. i understand not everything needs to be a melting pot, but enough is enough with dudes chugging shittily away at guitars and talking about pseudo philosophy.
90s smooth jazz offers more choices afaict.
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 16:18 (one year ago) link
didn't we already get rid of grunge actual 25 years ago?
i totally get where Austin is coming from. most of my musical tastes and interests can be traced quite neatly back to becoming an obsessive music fan at the height of grunge, and *hating* grunge.
like, we obviously had to get rid of white dudes chugging shittily away at guitars because grunge turned into the dumbest thing ever made. but rock and pop used to be cross-pollinating currents at one time, right? did we fuck up?
― No, 𝘐'𝘮 Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:11 (one year ago) link
It was easy to avoid whatever grunge was if you didn't have MTV. Thst stuff barely grazed the pop chart.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:13 (one year ago) link
Yeah I don’t totally get this historical revision that grunge was mega mainstream… it was called alternative radio, folks
― brimstead, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:15 (one year ago) link
nothing else to offer, but this was also me-
most of my musical tastes and interests can be traced quite neatly back to becoming an obsessive music fan at the height of grunge, and *hating* grunge.
not everything is for everyone, but it was only (and still is) the grunge fans who project/ed the idea that "THIS MUSIC MATTERS" and i just didn't "get it man."
(meanwhile, i got absolutely ridiculed for being into "shook ones" and outkast. hate to say i was right all along, but uhh.)
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:22 (one year ago) link
I dunno Pearl Jam Ten sold 13 million, The Chronic sold 5.7also MTV was a part of mainstream teen pop culture, I don't care if anyone likes grunge but this seems like a particularly silly argument
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:22 (one year ago) link
there were also like tons of kids who were listening to both!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:23 (one year ago) link
Also “historical revision that grunge was mega mainstream” seems to be in response to something nobody said
― michel goindry (wins), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:26 (one year ago) link
Grunge was great at its best, like any other genre. Some genuine classic groups and albums and musicians. Been revisiting a bunch of it lately. Imo a lot of it sounds so much better even now.
― omar little, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:27 (one year ago) link
yeah sorry "historical revision" is wrong. tbf i can't think of anything more boring than invoking chart positions or w/e but def remember hearing Alice in Chains on z100. xxp
― No, 𝘐'𝘮 Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:29 (one year ago) link
By "pop charts" I meant "Billboard top 40." Sorry.
I sympathize with Austin because I discovered Pulp in what I thought was a "reaction" to grunge despite liking a lot of Soundgarden and later Pearl Jam.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:30 (one year ago) link
Austin, I think yr wrong, and frankly cloaking yr distaste in contemporary language of “wokeness” doesn’t make your point any stronger, sorry. Also expect pushback since what you said is controversial.
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:33 (one year ago) link
Amazing how people who like the worst music in the world will get up in a huff about a great band like Green River
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:34 (one year ago) link
― brimstead, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:35 (one year ago) link
so many jackoffs on this board.
it all seems like easy listening for meglomaniacs and narcissists
how old are you?
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:36 (one year ago) link
Nobody said this! Straw man point awarded!!!!
― brimstead, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:36 (one year ago) link
til liking smooth jazz is woke
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:37 (one year ago) link
i also like smooth jazz you fucking asshole
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:38 (one year ago) link
omar otm, like all genres there’s good and bad, which is pretty much what i said in my response before being lumped in with some strawman of a flannel-bedecked toxic racist
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:39 (one year ago) link
lotta post flagging itt
― ian, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:40 (one year ago) link
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, May 7, 2023 5:34 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
lmao this has gotta be a joke right
― ian, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:42 (one year ago) link
WoRsT muSiC in thE WoRlDDD stfu you arrogant child
― ian, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:43 (one year ago) link
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― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:43 (one year ago) link
Also expect pushback since what you said is controversial.
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:43 (one year ago) link
Thread doing its job afaict.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:44 (one year ago) link
and i didn't want to start such a vitriolic thing here. controp means controp and mine is that some shit should be erased.
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:45 (one year ago) link
Thinking that certain genres are for narcissists is certainly a challenging opinion.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:45 (one year ago) link
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:47 (one year ago) link
I'm always bummed out when I remember just how many of the great singers of the genre are no longer with us. I mean all of the best ones except for Eddie vedder. Or so it seems.
― omar little, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:48 (one year ago) link
board description?
― jmm, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:50 (one year ago) link
there were also like tons of kids who were listening to both!― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, May 7, 2023 10:23 AM
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, May 7, 2023 10:23 AM
also this is a fair and valid point and i fully concede that it is possible to appreciate both sides respectfully and evenly.
but i'm biased af, so ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:50 (one year ago) link
_i also like smooth jazz you fucking asshole_board description?
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:50 (one year ago) link
oh fuck off dude, it’s stuff that people outside of ilx have been talking about toolol ok silly me
― michel goindry (wins), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:51 (one year ago) link
look im flannel-bedecked and i take shit from no one
― mark s, Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:52 (one year ago) link
You know what, there are way too many genres of music. There should only be like, 4. Grunge shouldn't get to be considered an entire genre of music. Rock probably shouldn't be either.
― No, 𝘐'𝘮 Breathless! (Deflatormouse), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:53 (one year ago) link
What a harsh realm
― michel goindry (wins), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:55 (one year ago) link
^^^quality controp. word to yusef lateef; jazz doesn't exist.
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Sunday, 7 May 2023 17:58 (one year ago) link