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Just now through twitter and seeing a couple of tweets I have been reminded of four men who: talked about a short story published recently, a book they published in the past, a book they are to publish in future and one person who is getting a book published but are way overdue because reasons. None are names, all randoms.

Obviously this is all through book twitter but publishing your own writing is a bit of a niche activity anyway(?), so wonder if it's an actual issue.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 24 April 2023 13:25 (one year ago) link

Most women I know who read a lot do say they tend to prefer female writers but hegemony being what it is they prob still end up reading more men than most men read women.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 24 April 2023 14:39 (one year ago) link

There certainly are already a lot of books

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Monday, 24 April 2023 23:37 (one year ago) link

Perhaps still more books than shows, as unlikely as that sounds.

The Lubitsch Touchscreen (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 24 April 2023 23:51 (one year ago) link

I don't mean to view the days of literary rock stars through rose-tinted glasses. In lots of ways that world sucked. That world of big-time book critics, literary publishers and authors seemed very clubby. Lots of mediocre work was championed and there was more than a hint of sexism in some of the attitudes. But on the other hand, maybe having that clubby world controlling book review sections in major periodicals and newspapers at least allowed some critical mass to coalesce around certain authors and books, enough to cross them over to a wider mainstream audience and get people interested in literature who otherwise might not have given it the time of day. Those hyper-masculine literary lions were caricatures in some respects, but at least they had an appeal that extended beyond ivory-tower eggheads and hoity-toity rich folks. We can indulge some nostalgia for those dinosaurs even while admitting their kind will probably not walk the earth again.

o. nate, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 02:20 (one year ago) link

So…it was like the recording industry?

The Lubitsch Touchscreen (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 02:25 (one year ago) link

To me at least it seemed like a smaller world than the recording industry was.

o. nate, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 02:28 (one year ago) link

Many authors write with just enough racial awareness to flatter their readers into thinking they’ve read something bold and insightful, all the while avoiding any exploration of truths that would make both author and reader uncomfortable. It’s literature as lifestyle affirmation art.
What a sweeping generalization, fair takes my breath away. Does our Omniscient Narrator offer many examples? So far this statement puts me off reading any more of the piece.

dow, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 03:50 (one year ago) link

(Back to Mr Palomar.)

dow, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 03:51 (one year ago) link

the narrator is specifically talking about Asian-American writing, and gives several extremely specific and detailed examples xp

imago, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 06:47 (one year ago) link

I don't think you can call something that starts with "many authors" a sweeping generalization, it's saying from the off that it's not everyone.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 09:20 (one year ago) link

Many authors are saying…

The Lubitsch Touchscreen (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 10:12 (one year ago) link

Out of context, v. off-putting (incl. "Many"): made me cynical about that author's cynicism, re clickbait. Good to know there is more to it.

dow, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 18:19 (one year ago) link

But would have to read all the authors cited, each in context, to see if the judgement seems fair.

dow, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 18:21 (one year ago) link

(& think I'm gonna try to finish Mr. Palomar today, because it deserves more than my declining-toward-bedtime mind.)

dow, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 19:20 (one year ago) link

I don't think we need rockstar male authors, but I think it's true that public literary reception has become increasingly moralistic and that sometimes that makes for less interesting work, I don't think Knausgaard would have published those books in the current atmosphere

but that goes for authors of any gender/ethnicity/sexuality, this article makes some good points imo:
_Many authors write with just enough racial awareness to flatter their readers into thinking they’ve read something bold and insightful, all the while avoiding any exploration of truths that would make both author and reader uncomfortable. It’s literature as lifestyle affirmation art._

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2022/06/asian-american-psycho🕸


I’ve got to say, I read this and think it’s bullshit. The demand that authors of certain racial or ethnic backgrounds write books that “complicate” or “make abject” or “politicise” those backgrounds is as much a function of white supremacy as authors only including “the polite bits” or whatever. Writers don’t owe anyone writing that fulfils specific ideological goals, and that the idea is taken seriously is truly mind-boggling.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 19:42 (one year ago) link

All the big rockstar male authors are still in print, you can still read them if you want.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 27 April 2023 00:28 (one year ago) link

Yeah, they never seem to go out of print.

The Lubitsch Touchscreen (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 27 April 2023 01:28 (one year ago) link

True, but on the other hand, I feel it would be difficult for a Philip Roth or John Updike to rise to the top these days. The "selfish misogynistic asshole describes his sexual/romantic life" genre does seem fairly done and dusted.

Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 27 April 2023 01:33 (one year ago) link

Growing up in the 80s, the whole phenomenon of quality paperbacks (Vintage Contemporaries, Vintage International, Penguin American, and so on) really gave a sense of quality and excitement to new books, the "rock star" energy mentioned above. And for sure there was Richard Ford and Barry Hannah, but there was Lorrie Moore and Ellen Gilchrist and so on as well.

underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Thursday, 27 April 2023 04:06 (one year ago) link

Who else among us remembers the promotional blitzkrieg that launched The World According to Garp?

The Lubitsch Touchscreen (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 27 April 2023 05:12 (one year ago) link

Sounds relevant.

MY BOOK IS OUT TODAYY ✨✨I loved writing this book and I hope you can feel that - it’s a project from my heart + hope it’s a valuable contribution to the conversation around housing, how it impacts every part of how we live and how we must make home a right for everyone ✨✨✨ pic.twitter.com/y21hBa8MdH

— kieranyates (@kieran_yates) April 27, 2023

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 27 April 2023 12:25 (one year ago) link

Did you belong to QPB, Eazy? Quality Paperback Bookclub, for those of yall who missed it: trade pbs, quite a good variety, like omnibus editions of olde American authors coming back around (Dawn Powell!), also ones from other countries, fiction and nonfiction. A fair amount of erotica, believe it or not.
So I finished (read straight through, then back through some of)Mr. Palomar. I should read back through some more of the smooth, friendly, inexorable, guided tours, sunny lectures, really, of the perceptions and thought processes of Mr. P., a seemingly afternoon, middle-aged gentleman, trained to think in terms of prototypes and models, the rightness of principles, however much he actually knows or knows that he knows or believes about them---but now he wants to see things as they are, because that's what increasingly seems right.
He's a seeker of the everyday (cue" "At home he's a tourist"), getting down to basics in a spaced out way that can disappear into tiny details---my own mind blinks and misses some, I admit, but in short chapters that bump into invisible walls of the much valued world: "the surface of things," into and from which he means to peer, balancing on the window sill, but being seen, as also embraced, can be tricky: he walks past a topless sunbather several times, determined to thereby express just the right, rightest, most enlightened state of mind, until finally (you can guess the rest).
At the zoo, he gets too wrapped up in the implications of the apes---until his little daughter (he seems to be a late-life Dad), tired of the damn apes, pulls him toward the penguins, aieee-it's okay though, he needed some kind of change.
Which can be agreeable, like when he and his wife choose, or at least he does, to watch a gecko on the terrace window over TV: they or he can see the translucent gecko belly welcoming another bug, and even a butterfly.
The ugly nasty usual pigeon clouds over Rome get bumrushed by sparrows in late autumn---Mr. P. can find no adequate account for their behavior---forming, at one point, a wheeling word balloon of sparrows, the vessel of a vast fast message, comment of sparrows, so complex, but perhaps it can be read by someone or something (sparrows?)
But there's also an accruing sense, eventually spelled out in passing, of the limits, limited value and rightness of conjecture, of what he once took to be "supreme intellectual exercise," of words themselves yadda yadda I notice that the original Italian edition of this is copyright 1983, two years before the author died, and seems like he had some sense of that, falling further into place, in the comedy of thought, under the sun and moon and stars.

dow, Thursday, 27 April 2023 19:44 (one year ago) link

Sorry! Starlings, not sparrows!

dow, Thursday, 27 April 2023 20:09 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

Better late than never, I guess: 20 years after winning the Nobel and 29 years after its publication, the translation of Elfriede Jelinek's magnum opus Die Kinder der Toten is forthcoming at @YaleBooks ! pic.twitter.com/wQRogDXR5x

— Karl (@underreadgerman) September 12, 2023

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 10:40 (seven months ago) link

I have been emailing YUP about this book since 2005-ish and developed rapport with people as they came & went from the job. I read an extract of this in a US publication, a scene with a bus crash; it was kind of classic Jelinek, hopeless and violent....I'm a fan, I"m excited for this

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 12:20 (seven months ago) link

Is that extract online?

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 13:26 (seven months ago) link

no, it was in a paper journal, a very small affair. I have it around here someplace but I am pretty disorganized, books in stacks all over the house & also at the office which is half an hour away (I suspect it's out there) -- the journal is/was called Dimension 2 and the editor was a good correspondent and I see from our correspondence that I promised to send him some stuff and I probably didn't, I'll remedy that today (six years late). It's in vol. 5 no. 3 -- I believe it's the prologue, I had originally heard it was the prologue & the epilogue but I don't recall the latter.

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 14:32 (seven months ago) link

oh wait I did find a part of it online: here. still if you have space on your shelves it's so cool to get some obscure journal that just happens to have an excerpt from a book that won the Nobel but that most English readers can't be bothered about, fun book adventures imo

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 14:34 (seven months ago) link

Excellent, hope it's not too tough to source in the UK.

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 14:35 (seven months ago) link

Thank you, J Crawford, for the link. Shall read that soon.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 21:10 (seven months ago) link

three months pass...

Two more for the year:

- Jose Donoso. There is an incomplete version available in English:
https://www.ndbooks.com/book/the-obscene-bird-of-night/

- Maria Gabriella Llansol in June: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/175403640-a-thousand-thoughts-in-flight

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 16:44 (three months ago) link

Cool!

The Glittering Worldbuilders (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 22:47 (three months ago) link


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