A halo of warmth in the darkness of the year: what are you reading spring 2023?

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Depends. Sometimes there's metatextual jokes to highlight the inconsistencies; more self-seriously, often you get the explanation of a multiverse to justify their crossover.

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Daniel_Rf, Friday, 21 April 2023 10:03 (one year ago) link

What's a good example of that, good to read?

dow, Friday, 21 April 2023 16:49 (one year ago) link

I guess this kind of crossover fiction is more legally feasible in the comic book world where most of the intellectual property is owned by a few mega-corporations. Copyright law would make it difficult to do for most recent fiction. I guess this why these mash-ups tend to be done for stuff in the public domain, like Jane Austen. Or else they circulate as unauthorized fan-fiction.

o. nate, Friday, 21 April 2023 19:26 (one year ago) link

Got the Heaney book, all. Thanks.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 April 2023 19:38 (one year ago) link

I've been inching through Books of Jacob by Olga Tocarczuk. At 1/3 through I'm thinking about abandoning it, it's just too long to keep at something that's... not bad just boring but, y'know, sunk cost fallacy.

Has anyone here finished it and have compelling reasons to keep going (or not)?

ed.b, Friday, 21 April 2023 20:17 (one year ago) link

I talked about it on the olga tocarczuk thread, I think it does build into something remarkable but if you're a full third in and bored I'm not sure that would change.

ledge, Saturday, 22 April 2023 08:18 (one year ago) link

currently reading 'the road to en-dor', an autobiographical account of a real life escape from a first world war turkish prison camp, achieved by tricking the captors with ouija boards and conjuring and mentalism. a proper boys own adventure tale, though the action is psychological not physical, and there's the expected casual racism - "johnny turk is a queer mixture of brutality and chivalry" being the worst example so far, morally and aesthetically. I wonder if 'the confidence men' by margalit fox, a more recent telling of the story, would be a better read.

ledge, Saturday, 22 April 2023 08:25 (one year ago) link

prisoner of war camp, that is.

ledge, Saturday, 22 April 2023 08:38 (one year ago) link

Joanna Russ How To Suppress Women's Writing
somewhat satirical overview of the various ways in which the patriarchal establishment undermines female authors.
Writer was a sci fi author whose The Female Man which I picked up from a charity shop a while back and have yet to get to. Think I'd only realised this was the same author a couple of days back. Not sure exactly where I saw this recommended but does seem interesting so far. I think I got it from a storage area in the library system, though it seems like something that should be better known or is that just in the Irish library system? Since the Velikovsky I read last week came from a storage space, The Galway Warehouse, and was requested before I wanted to renew it, would be good if the same thing happened here.
Oh well seems quite good so far.

picked up a couple of other library requests this week which I have yet to start
On savage shores : how Indigenous Americans discovered Europe Caroline Dodds Pennock
book about the cultural interchange the other way than is normally reported. Since the first European contact with the Americas there had been some Native American (or whatever term is better used) presence in Europe. Columbus brought people from the Americas back with him including a number of free nobility etc who interacted with European society. I've yet to read this so not fully onboard on what this meant, I did listen to a podcast on the book. Possibly Gone Medieval, though I think the author did do several guest slot appearances.
Sounded really good from that so looking forward to reading it . But am sticking myself with a large pile of books to read immediately.

also
An immense world : how animal senses reveal the hidden realms around us Ed Yong
book on the expanded world that animal senses percieve compared to human. Recently published which may be why I was seeing it turning up as a recommendation. looks good and the couple of podcasts I caught on it made it seem interesting. So again looking forwrd to reading it .
Got a bit more time right now i think but am picking up more books tahn I can read all of right now. Hope I get to them all. But if i pick up an infinite amount of books and only have a finite amount o ftime to read them all may need to prioritise better.
This i will hopefully get through over next few weeks.

picked up copies of a few of the Time Life published World Of Art series on individual artists too which look good. Got Durer, Breugel and Leonardo da Vinci
hoping there may still be a couple of these left where I got these from.

Also got
Angela Saini's new book The Patriarchs arrived yesterday so looking forward to reading that. Do like her writing.

& there's a new edition of Ugly Things out right now. Need to catch up with bits of the last 2 too.

Stevo, Saturday, 22 April 2023 10:05 (one year ago) link

I finish THEORY OF LITERATURE. Summary comments:

* The book is written in a manner that would be unimaginable now. On the whole this for me adds to its charm and interest. Older ways of writing, I find, can be stimulating and can raise the question: why can't we write like this?

* The book is impressively inclusive in the areas of literature, conceptually, that it discusses. It is also immensely learned, notably over multiple languages (something else less common now among Anglosphere authors).

* However, a possible weakness about the book is the way it turns out to be rather a compendium of ideas and pieces of knowledge, assorted together, rather than a developing 'theory'. It often seems as though W&W are basically saying: 'Literary genre? OK, here are all the things we currently know about literary genre'.

* The work belongs to the era of New Criticism and it partakes in the effort to purify the attention to literature, to abstract it from history, biography and so on. As a heuristic device I don't mind this. In W&W it is at least bracing to see someone working out eg: 'What is a literary period, if it isn't determined by the political events of said period?'

* The book was once well known and widely seen, but what was its influenced? Probably greater in the US than the UK. Terry Eagleton in THE EVENT OF LITERATURE (2012) calls it immensely influential but I have seen virtually no evidence of that. I'm not sure I have ever met anyone who has really read it.

the pinefox, Saturday, 22 April 2023 10:27 (one year ago) link

I did a pretty 'crit-heavy' English degree and Masters in the early 2000s ('mature' student, doncha know) and W&W were a foundational part of the early critical theory module. They were presented as dated then, or perhaps they were historicised, and that particular kind of criticism parked, as it were, in its time and place.

I don't feel in any way engaged with this field, but I suppose the W&W names have become a kind of invisible metonymy for a notionally clean and objective criticism that concentrates solely on the text (if such a thing were possible). An available style or approach, stored away in some dusty attic of the working critic's mind.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Saturday, 22 April 2023 11:00 (one year ago) link

I'm back at work and reading desultorily when I can: continuing with the Heaney interviews (he's in Berkeley about to move to Wicklow); dipping into Edumund White's *The Flaneur: A Stroll Through the Paradoxes of Paris*, which is diverting but parts of it - particularly the way he writes about race - put my teeth on edge; and David Macey's *The Lives of Michel Foucault*, which I dug out to add to the 'to read' pile but got caught up in the introduction. I once attended a talk about Foucalt by David Macey, and ended up in the pub with him afterwards. He smoked a *spectacular* amount and it's fair to say I have never in my life seen a man so ravaged by the effects of cigarette smoking.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Saturday, 22 April 2023 11:07 (one year ago) link

I have Edmund White's My Lives beside me on a pile of books to be read.Looked at it recently and wasn't sure what had directed me to pick it up but could be it being by the same guy who wrote The Flaneur which I'd also meant to read./
I did attend a talk by a couple of local artists on the act of Flaneurism as tied in with their practise a couple of years ago that ma have directed me to it that and possibly psychogeography. Think I'd read a review of the White book too.

Stevo, Saturday, 22 April 2023 11:21 (one year ago) link

I seem to recall that one of the earliest chapters in Macey's biography is called 'Waiting for Godot', though (as I also seem to recall) it contains disappointingly little about the play or MF's experience of it.

the pinefox, Saturday, 22 April 2023 11:45 (one year ago) link

Ovid - The Metamorphisis* (tr. Golding)
Home - The Odysssey (tr. Chapman)

Been delving into old translations of epics. I didn't finish Golding's Metamorphisis as I've lost the book in the pub, but up till then the going could be described as good. With these things you re-wire your brain to old forms of English, as if you are thrust into a double act of having to acquire fluency twice over. Of course it isn't possible to judge what has been lost, but I focus on what has been gained in certain passages where certain things are written about which have been done so many times before by different poets in the past and present. Nature, animals, the sea, loss, love (a son's for his father, a wife's for her husband), violence, killing, and so on.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 22 April 2023 13:10 (one year ago) link

*Homer, you know what I mean

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 22 April 2023 13:16 (one year ago) link

I almost checked out the Lattimore translation of The Iliad last month.

I liked The Flaneur at the time and I almost always find something worthwhile in Edmund White's stuff, but, yes, his self-absorption is an annoyance and sometimes a menace.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 April 2023 13:17 (one year ago) link

Reading Jason Morris’ Levon Helm, a book of poems that includes the long titular poem named after the Band drummer. Morris is an interesting poet to me because he writes in a casual, talky way that I often find cloying or cute, but he’s able to make it work— I find myself gravitating toward his poems a few times per year.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Saturday, 22 April 2023 13:23 (one year ago) link

Here’s something Levon’s troubled stepson wrote about him:

https://richardsmanuel.tumblr.com/post/121183926169

The Lubitsch Touchscreen (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 22 April 2023 13:29 (one year ago) link

I really enjoyed Brandy Jensen’s piece on Jack Reacher for Defector but I am struggling with my first actual Reacher book, TRIPWIRE. The prose is almost Lanchester-level drab and particular. Child will spend two paragraphs describing a door that has no actual bearing on the action, without ever making the door come to life. And the dialogue is so perfunctorily hard-boiled, the whole thing reads like a fiction class writing exercise.

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 22 April 2023 18:12 (one year ago) link

That's a great piece. I've read four Reacher novels. My capsule review would be 'emptily readable bollocks'.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Saturday, 22 April 2023 18:30 (one year ago) link

The emptiness, and the random quotidian detail, makes suspension of disbelief hard for me. More than most things I’ve read, I find it hard to imagine the story is Actually Happening. I just picture an English bloke typing in any office, misremembering an old Mission Impossible episode, thinking “what’s a good sentence about a chair?”

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 22 April 2023 18:54 (one year ago) link

love the reacher books tbh. think I read like 15 in one year and I still never tired of descriptions of reacher elbowing some shithead in the face.

oscar bravo, Saturday, 22 April 2023 19:14 (one year ago) link

Have read none of those books; enjoyed that piece.

The Lubitsch Touchscreen (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 22 April 2023 19:20 (one year ago) link

I haven’t got as far as any violence yet. Maybe that’s what I’m missing.

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 22 April 2023 19:22 (one year ago) link

Yeah, I think wait until you see Reacher in action, then I'll think you'll know if these are for you. I've read *Tripwire*; there are some good Reacher arse-kicking scenes, as I recall.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Saturday, 22 April 2023 19:29 (one year ago) link

It's fun that when are Jack Reacher novels are discussed, the ultimate measure of how bad their prose could be is ... John Lanchester.

the pinefox, Saturday, 22 April 2023 19:42 (one year ago) link

Murphy, Miles to Go
Wolfram, What Is ChatGPT Doing
Sooke, Roy Lichtenstein
Ransmayr, The Last World. This last one was an utter waste of time.

alimosina, Saturday, 22 April 2023 21:30 (one year ago) link

I finished "Portrait of Dorian Gray". The book seems to have strange pacing. It starts out with a typical amount of action concentrated into a few weeks, reaches a sort of climax, and then starts skipping ahead, striding over ever increasing spans of time, until we have a chapter that dispenses with entire decades (although I oddly enjoyed that chapter, a cursory summary of all the interests that occupied Gray over a span of 15 or so years, it reads more like an essay and it reminded me a bit of "Bouvard and Pecuchet" as an inventory of trendy ideas of the period), before finally slowing down and becoming more novelistic again to accomodate some final plot business.

Continuing my fin de siecle theme, I am now reading Volume 2 of William James's Principles of Psychology.

o. nate, Sunday, 23 April 2023 02:29 (one year ago) link

The James bros were so different.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 23 April 2023 02:39 (one year ago) link

Good description, o.nate. FWIW I only read DORIAN GRAY last September or so and my response will be on that ILB thread. I seem to recall that one of the things that slightly surprised me was how heterosexual Dorian Gray (at least sometimes) was.

the pinefox, Sunday, 23 April 2023 09:36 (one year ago) link

Having diverted from it to read some other marvellous books, I remembered that I need to keep on with Bono's SURRENDER. It's still readable, entertaining, stimulating, not even slow to read. Yet I'm still not halfway through. It's long.

The mid-1980s are probably the most interesting time I could read about. There's a page on what a good period it was when they were recording THE JOSHUA TREE, in Malahide I believe. Another couple of good pages on the melancholy 'promenades' around Bray and Greystones (surprisingly far out from the city, if Bono was actually living there - in a Martello Tower! - which he connects slightly to Yeats but not at all to Joyce).

From the LPs in 1984 to 1987 was 2.5 years (with a mini-LP in 1985 if you like). At that time this was a relatively long gap. What happened? Maybe they were just touring, maybe it took time make the LP. But also ... Bono (with wife Ali) was living in Ethiopia for a while in 1985, then Central America for a while in 1986. Maybe not long periods but they would have taken organisation at both ends. I wonder, therefore, if one reason for the slightly long delay between LPs was, *already*, Bono's extra-curricular activities.

He can skip over some things rather quickly - the JOSHUA TREE tour, for instance. The Dublin sessions for RATTLE & HUM are hardly mentioned at all, though they're vivid in the film (and interviews take place there). Now we're almost on to ACHTUNG BABY. But not halfway through the book. Logically that suggests that half the book will be concerned with things like ... Bono's debt campaigning, his controversial meetings with world leaders (which he's already discussed), and the less popular later records?

Bono is intellectually lively, if not deep. I'm happy to see him engage with various ideas and people (Mikhail Gorbachev for instance). But I do worry more when he says 'Douglas Alexander has been advising me for the last 5 years'.

the pinefox, Sunday, 23 April 2023 09:39 (one year ago) link

may seem odd me jumping in here to defend terry eagleton (!) abt what constitutes influence (!!) but couldn't he simply mean that
(a) W&W were the first to turn up and say "we all need a THEORY of literature and here it is", and
(b) who was being "influenced" is everyone who then said "well yes we DO need one… just not THAT one"

anyway here's the one *i* favour:

novels are so great. novels are like "i made up a little weirdo. oh no, now he's in trouble!"

— Gabrielle Moss (@Gaby_Moss) April 22, 2023

mark s, Sunday, 23 April 2023 09:58 (one year ago) link

I hope for a long Mark S article in praise of Terry.

the pinefox, Sunday, 23 April 2023 12:17 (one year ago) link

weird question, but figure it’s the right place to ask: anyone have a favorite book on the the great fire of London?

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 23 April 2023 12:43 (one year ago) link

mine is pepys's diary but i suspect that's not what you have in mind

(important detail: he buried his big parmesan cheese in the garden to save it from the flames)

mark s, Sunday, 23 April 2023 12:58 (one year ago) link

I mean I would too

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 23 April 2023 13:02 (one year ago) link

I like the idea of Pepys’ diary (and also the experimental novel by Roubaud), but yes, looking more for straight history, perhaps from a left leaning perspective

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 23 April 2023 13:07 (one year ago) link

Overstory - Powers

Really into it! Makes me want to re read all the nature writing I read in college

calstars, Sunday, 23 April 2023 16:45 (one year ago) link

Magda Szabó - The Fawn
A collection of Weldon Kees poems.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 23 April 2023 16:51 (one year ago) link

I still never tired of descriptions of reacher elbowing some shithead in the face.

Writing action like that is hard. You have to be vivid enough to pull the reader's imagination entirely into the scene and terse enough that the pace feels breathtakingly quick.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 23 April 2023 18:18 (one year ago) link

Overstory - Powers
Really into it! Makes me want to re read all the nature writing I read in college

Will have to check that--also, I keep coming across killer quotes from Thoreau (latest round started in Kim Stanley Robinson's meganovel Greem Earth, whose author is at his own best involved with East and esp. West Coast Great Outdoors). Turns out my local library has even more HDT than KSR, oh boy---and I'll ask them to borrow or buy Robinson's awesome-looking nonfiction
The High Sierra: A love story.
(He is someone who reportedly combined acid with mountain-climbing early on, much more successfully than young Hank Williams JR.)

dow, Sunday, 23 April 2023 20:47 (one year ago) link

The history of the blues Francis Davis,
Seems to be a pretty decent read, I'm enjoying the writing. He's gone back to look at pre Blues Minstrelsy and what W.C. Handy heard in a waiting room in 1903 and links to musical theatre. He's also looked at Ali Farka Toure and sees his music as having influence from John lee Hooker and is dubious about the influence being clearly the other way. Like Toure being an existing fan of Hooker before he started citing Hooker as obviously descending from teh West African styles. Think that may be overly cynical but maybe that fandom should be noted, does seem to be a problem with direction of fit.I think that African influence is there anyway.
But anyway, seems to be a decent book , interesting read quite anecdotal andsustaining my interest. I have had this out of the library too long without really looking at it. So need to get through it now.

Not A Nation of Immigrants Roxanne Dunbar Ortiz
her book on settler colonialism . I read her talking about people of Spanish descent including a gentrifying level where people descending from Pueblo Indians were now drifting into claiming themselves to be Spanish recently despite years of Spanish on Pueblo oppression.
I'm now in a section on Irish settlement which reminds me I still need to read Theodore Allen's book The Invention of The White Race which I think I got slowed down on because of the plethora of endnotes. Anyway a book that i do still really want to read which talks about the British settling Scots in Ireland and use of the country as a colony which became a prototype for what they did to set up empire.
The Dunbar Ortiz is really good and I've wanted to read it since it was released a couple of years ago.

Stevo, Monday, 24 April 2023 09:22 (one year ago) link

I finished two stories in the Penguin book of French stories:

Claire Sainte-Soline, 'Le tabac vert', about a farmer, his wife, and his father. Much tension down on the tobacco farm. The tense (in a different sense) and much of the vocabulary were hard for me and I must often consult the parallel English text. One word to stay with me from this story is 'feuilles', leaves, which must also be the source of 'fueilleton' (a kind of newspaper as I recall).

Roger Grenier, 'Une maison place des fetes': the writing here feels much simpler, and is also discernibly slangy / colloquial at times. I was able to follow it without the English version much more often. The story describes a lad, a trainee lawyer, and his dalliance with two women. It's very much like an Éric Rohmer plot. It's surprisingly racy - the protagonists are always saucily making passes at each other - in a way somewhat in keeping with the colloquial tone. It ends with a summary paragraph about the passing of time. 'Chacun de nous a ses petits pelerinages, ses tombeaux.' I really quite enjoyed this.

the pinefox, Monday, 24 April 2023 13:01 (one year ago) link

mine is pepys's diary but i suspect that's not what you have in mind

(important detail: he buried his big parmesan cheese in the garden to save it from the flames)

― mark s, Sunday, 23 April 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Saving this advice for when London burns again (climate change edition)

xyzzzz__, Monday, 24 April 2023 13:06 (one year ago) link

A friend of mine sent me a photo of an enormous book in his collection that consists of 400 pages of poems on the fire and rebuilding of London written at the time. Hard to find, apparently, as few copies were printed, but I am going to try to locate a copy.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Monday, 24 April 2023 13:47 (one year ago) link

I return to John le Carré's SILVERVIEW - I was halfway through. Quick to read, it grows on me.

the pinefox, Monday, 24 April 2023 19:18 (one year ago) link

It's solid.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 April 2023 19:29 (one year ago) link

it's good

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 24 April 2023 19:47 (one year ago) link

Rereading Junichiro Tanizaki's Some Prefer Nettles

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 09:10 (one year ago) link


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