HBO's Succession - Season 2 and Beyond

guys

srsly

this is important

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The Princess Diaries

i found last night's ep p excruciating, not in a bad way, but even though these characters are mostly amoral heels it is kind of painful to watch them selfishly and ineptly wander into oblivion. greg's running commentary of kerry's arrival at the house was gruelling - felt p sorry for kerry, tho obviously marcia's twisting of the knife was, i guess, justified, at least in her eyes. the ending is going to be super-bleak, isn't it?

I enjoyed this fine, last week tough to follow. But also found myself feeling that ending it with S4 was a good call. Some of the dynamics felt a bit familiar (although I feel this show will have at least one epic rug-pull lined up before the finale).

Yeah definitely. I mean, they've not even been joint CEOs for more than 10 minutes and Kendall's already going behind Roman's back with the Bad Dad thing

Jeremy Strong is so great
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Hugo's own smile in response to that like he was almost enjoying Kendall's ability to act like his Dad.

He's so great. I get really fed up with the pieces about him that ridicule his method, etc - the results are stunning. I like people who commit to what they do, and his excessive efforts absolutely pay off with this performance.

eh i guess it's like if you work with someone who does good work, that's cool but he's probably a lot to deal with even for an actor. yeah he's top notch for sure but so is brian cox & kiernan and sarah shook and alan ruck by all accounts none of them pull that kind of diva stuff

That smile (at his dad’s wake!) says it all

true confessions: I can’t separate Hugo from Mike McClintock

Hugo's head to neck ratio is astounding

like a particularly malevolent tortoise

He's come a long way from this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6TLYwelOPk

was involved with Michelle Pfieffer and executive produced the movie Blank City which I music supervised. And that's everything I know about him.

enjoyed hugo's daughter's insider trading giving kendall leverage to put out the bad dad press release behind roman's back

also, pretty clear that marsha hosed connor on the sale of the apartment, right? no way that place would have gone for $63 million on the open market, is the sense i got

first half felt a little rote, like they were almost obligated to show everybody's claim to the throne, felt a little going through the motions. the mysterious piece of paper in logan's safe felt like a law school exam. episode got some juice going after that though

"i'm kidding, of course"

"no sure.. you're speculating in a comic mode"

"..in a humorous vein"

"mmhmm"

also, pretty clear that marsha hosed connor on the sale of the apartment, right?

― 龜, Tuesday, April 18, 2023 9:24 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

she got him good lol, the kids are marks

Hugo has Rufus from Bill & Ted vibe, which suits the new ceos

various thoughts going way back up incl last episode

re shiv - she'd already told connor re pops not coming, think she actually says when kendall comes to get her that they owe her for that - just chatting with ppl on way back

think shiv's baby is pretty clearly Tom's - don't think they'd toss in another option here

kendall's capacity for self-destruction always amazing

always happy to see stewy and his interactions with kendall

re apartment sale - 63 million didnt seem high to me and a quick google search shows Architectural Digest thinks could have been more https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/could-marcia-have-made-more-money-off-of-logans-apartment#:~:text=Above%20all%2C%20its%20location%20directly,during%20the%20show's%20first%20season.

I'd missed Marcia

I think it's ambiguous in terms of her having told Connor yet, but when they get him in the room to tell him about Logan she says "Dad's on an airplane to Sweden, but they're coming back. We think he died. They...they think he died." I mean either way I guess she did tell him he wasn't coming to the wedding...

I just kind of assumed that Marcia was happy to have a quick sale without dealing with bullshit, even if she didn't milk Connor for all she could. I mean it was probably also thrown in to underscore that she isn't their to mourn, she's there to make moves.

Plus the place isn't even necessarily hers to sell (who knows yet what Logan pencilled about that) and she may have been well aware of this.

Greg and Tom spin-off in which they received nothing and are fired and have to live together as roommates

the logan death episode was great and all but this ep was the real unadulterated succession shit

wait what's the gameplan there if it isn't hers to sell? connor hands her two big bags of money, she laughs victoriously and jumps out the window into a waiting helicopter? xp

so many amazing frank and karl moments, the meeting to "look at the china" and especially frank's teardown of tom's chances were the funniest this show has been this season

tom got wrecked lol

also, pretty clear that marsha hosed connor on the sale of the apartment, right? no way that place would have gone for $63 million on the open market, is the sense i got

this was the first thing I said--seems way overpriced

see AD post linked to above. Might be worth more.

it's a nice place

heh i guess--the best part about that article was the last paragraph where they were like "lol this people have so much money it doesn't matter"

connor's shtick on the show is making financially irresponsible decisions right? wasn't one of the earlier plotlines about spending $100 million to get 1% of the vote or whatever?

yep--narratively too it makes sense that Con would get that place

Even Epstein’s Upper East Side townhouse went for $55 million.

https://www.vulture.com/article/succession-connor-marchia-logan-63-million-townhouse-991-fifth.html

Most of the Roy townhouse’s interiors exist only on a soundstage, but exterior shots of the house and its entry hall show the real building at 991 Fifth Avenue, near 80th Street. It’s one of the last great townhouses on Fifth, as most of the others were demolished, starting about a century ago, for large apartment buildings. Since 1940, 991 has housed the American Irish Historical Society, an old nonprofit that has faced financial stress in recent years. Its income, these days, often comes from renting out the building for events like weddings and, yes, film and TV shoots. In 2021, the society tried a Hail Mary survival tactic, putting up the house for sale at $52 million. It eventually dropped that figure to $44 million before taking it off the market, amid talk of an audit by Attorney General Letitia James. That final asking price was a solid $19 million less than Connor’s unchallenged and instantly accepted offer, suggesting that he has massively, enormously overpaid.

Now, admittedly, there’s an apples-to-oranges aspect to this comparison. One suspects that Logan (or more likely Marcia) has got that fictional house into pristine physical shape. Although the AIHS did a full restoration of its building in 2008, any building that’s been used by an institution for decades will need upgrades and additions before billionaire occupancy can commence: an over-the-top new kitchen, luxe bathrooms, a couple of those Carrie Bradshaw–style closets. Other Fifth Avenue houses, sold not under pressure, have gone for more: The Benjamin Duke mansion, just a few steps away at 1009 Fifth, is on the market for $80 million, although it’s possibly more desirable because, unlike the midblock house at 991, it is on a corner and thus is much brighter inside.

That said, Connor’s offer definitely does prove one thing: Like his siblings, he’s not a great negotiator. If that’s the range, your first preemptive offer might be, what, $50 million? Maybe $55 million? Test the waters; see whether she’d come down and meet you somewhere. Even without the broker’s fee that Connor thinks he’s avoiding — my real-estate-reporter colleague Kim Velsey tells me a broker would expect a 6.5 percent fee or about $4.1 million on this deal — he’s still overpaying. How do you know? Marcia — clearly a much cannier operator in this realm — accepts in a millisecond.

was involved with Michelle Pfieffer and executive produced the movie Blank City which I music supervised. And that's everything I know about him.

He's also an Oscar winner!

(For producing the 2010 documentary The Cove.)

going back upthread to the people who think "the paper" has some other bombshell info besides the mention of kendall - the kids all look at the paper and no one makes any mention of anything else on there so i'm not sure what other important info could be there? unless they all skim over it bc they're distracted by the kendall thing. but i believe you all are overthinking it

Even Epstein’s Upper East Side townhouse went for $55 million.

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the widest one in all of manhattan!

going back upthread to the people who think "the paper" has some other bombshell info besides the mention of Kendall

Greg?

come on

Yeah I love that the context is just

Greg?

Nevertheless!

they mentioned the important info was in pencil. i'm assuming they erased it.

thinking a weekly poll of who will comes out on top would be fun.

the pencil part was the underline

think the main point of 'the paper' is to show how even after his death everyone is still terrified of and traumatized by Logan,
it has no legal bearing - is years out of date (probably a cpl) but still exerts power over them - though it doesnt even have the weight of his last wishes
Marcia i'm sure got the flat tied up when she and her lawyer held Logan hostage over messy divorce possibility cpl seasons back and the kids seemed pretty certain it was hers clear and free and they'd take any opportunity to screw her over if they could

“greg ?” was hilarious

think the main point of 'the paper' is to show how even after his death everyone is still terrified of and traumatized by Logan

Agreed. The old guard may have speculated in a comic mode about flushing it down the toilet, but they still couldn't bring themselves to actually do it