no i used a [ h ] then a [ /h ] I think it doesnt like para breaks?
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:22 (five months ago) link
Thank fuck I didnt include my really spoilry comment, so I'll do that here.
If Kriege is back as the Borg Queen is this intentional or out of neccesity bcs of the other actor's death?
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:23 (five months ago) link
They're packing a lot in each episode but also wasting a lot of minutes reiterating to the audience what we were shown in exactly the previous scene.At the same time, if they're going to tie in last season's socially awkward rogue borg alliance as a deus ex they're being pretty negligent in not setting that up, almost conspicuously so.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:32 (five months ago) link
I'm struggling to recall last season - Jurati became a (not THE?) queen, and then what happened? was that just all an alt timeline that doesnt count cos it was a Q fuckup and they fixed it?
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:35 (five months ago) link
Last season did seem like a setup for a future resolution but it's bizarrely unclear whether this supposed final season of Picard is part of it.
Also, they're really casually killing characters off left and right at a real finger-snapping pace. At this rate, they'll probably kill Data off two or three times during the finale.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:39 (five months ago) link
So if I haven't seen any of these and can now access them, can/should I start with season 3?
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:45 (five months ago) link
I want to say yes bcs it feels like S3 is a bit seperate, more fanservicey too. But there is some stuff in S1-2 that happens that S3 will be confusing if you dont know.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:52 (five months ago) link
Even though a lot of the show is written as if it's really inconvenient to them that S1 & S2 happened, if there are any good 5 minute season-summary videos, I would recommend watching those before S3.Also, if you haven't seen DS9, a brief summary of that might be in order as well.
A lot of prereqs for this course!
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:53 (five months ago) link
Oh right Voyager as well. I'd lay 2:1 odds we get a Janeway appearance, something that they actually did take the trouble to leave multiple breadcrumbs for.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 14 April 2023 00:01 (five months ago) link
I haven't seen S1 or S2 either, but jumped into S3 easily with a few minutes of Memory Alpha reading.
You would think that Starfleet would have given up on all-encompassing control systems after the M-5 incident... Section 31 naming their black site after M-5's creator is perverse, even for them.
I wonder how often the carpeting needs to be replaced on Galaxy-class bridges?
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 14 April 2023 00:31 (five months ago) link
LOL when Picard said "you know what I missed" re the carpet, I said "WESLEY" at the screen.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 14 April 2023 01:27 (five months ago) link
I just kept thinking "I wonder if Geordi replaced the broken dome over the captain's chair with something tinted."
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 April 2023 01:39 (five months ago) link
I thought this twist was a possibility when I first saw Jack's vine dream (being something like Picard's Borg dream in First Contact) but I dismissed it as too stupid for the show. Oh well.
― formerly abanana (dat), Friday, 14 April 2023 02:42 (five months ago) link
I was expecting the Borg bcs I could swear we'd discussed that here but I must've seen that on Reddit I guess. I'm still a little unclear on the changelings/Vadiks role here. Organic borgs they were saying? If they'd been able to infect everyone under 25 who used a transporter (lol what a deus ex) then what was the point of the changelings? given everything else this season was TNG, that now feels out of place. Perhaps I missed something in all that exposition.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 14 April 2023 03:20 (five months ago) link
Ha, Memory Alpha has already been updated with spoilers
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 14 April 2023 03:37 (five months ago) link
Also, yeah, this season has been weirdly paced. They’re doing some reveals that seem like you’d want an additional episode or more to chew on
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 14 April 2023 03:39 (five months ago) link
A lot of the fanservice winks are a little too ham-handed (and I echo Philip's sentiment), but seeing the bridge and hearing Majel Barrett's voice gave an actual thrill.
That said, I was hoping that the red door thing WASN'T Borg-related, because post-BOBW Borg stories, especially those involving the Queen, have generally resulted in middling Trek, and Picard's writers are bad at Trek, and as it turns out two wrongs do not make a right. Also, is Jack the Borg Prince?
I have the same questions as Trayce. If it turns out that the motivation was just petty vengeance, MEH. Also, is Vadik's boss a reconstituted Borg Queen?
― Shartreuse (Leee), Saturday, 15 April 2023 20:06 (five months ago) link
Great story about how they put this together (I'm assuming everyone at least knows this much by now):
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 April 2023 17:57 (five months ago) link
Another thing that bothers me about this season's spate of cameos is that they just bring characters back to kill them off, which is really kind of selfish and I dunno, lazy? Selfish because now they're effectively off-limits to other series )(unless there are more secret Soongs with synth bodies that they could get downloaded into), while we have Data killed off three times and Picard once. Lazy because they're barely integrated into the plot beyond, "Hey, here's someone who was on the show 30 years ago, love it, nerds." Shelby could've been anyone, aside from the one line that does a LOT of heavy lifting to remark on how out-of-character the whole dumb plan was. Also not a great look that the ones who've been killed have been women, assuming that Shelby is indeed dead.
― Shartreuse (Leee), Monday, 17 April 2023 17:46 (five months ago) link
No one's ever truly dead in this show while the Q exist tbh.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 17 April 2023 23:32 (five months ago) link
From pop culture journalist and overall good egg (he was the guy behind the excellent Random Roles column for AV Club) Will Harris with this just now:
Just watched a screener of the series finale of PICARD in preparation for a chat with showrunner Terry Matalas tomorrow and...wow.That's all you get. Just...wow.
Could mean anything!
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 April 2023 00:21 (five months ago) link
I should add I was able to get IMAX tickets for the Wednesday night screening here in SF so bring it on.
Just started watching, from S1, nice to have on whilst working and eating easter eggs.
But S2 started off with a doom scene and then jumped to a "48 hours earlier" made me want to vomit all my chocolate up.
― Ste, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 14:50 (five months ago) link
S2 was a mess all the way thru imo
― Laurie Anderson’s Singing Bowl Migraine Orchestra (Hunt3r), Thursday, 20 April 2023 00:05 (five months ago) link
Well that was lovely. And a nice live chat after too.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 April 2023 04:23 (five months ago) link
I didn't care for the main conflict -- fate of the galaxy stories tend to go the way you suspect, not to mention that picard's decisions were questionable, or that selected protagonists can now opt out of the borg hivemind -- but i liked the afterward.
― formerly abanana (dat), Thursday, 20 April 2023 12:53 (five months ago) link
idk -- i didn't hate it, but also it was pretty lame. the shaw arc could not possibly have been more predictable. jack magically absconding with a shuttle, and jack *wanting* to find the borg, and jack magically *finding* the borg was all absurd. if only all those millions of people assimilated by the borg had had a kickass dad!
appreciate the confirmation that it literally takes just seven people -- or merely one, if it's bev -- to run a starship
as for the mid-credits scene -- i would totally watch seven running a ship. i can vaguely envision being interested in Q despite them having done nothing good with him in 30 years. could not give less of a shit about jack
― mookieproof, Friday, 21 April 2023 05:31 (five months ago) link
anything stemming from this absolutely requires worf tho
― mookieproof, Friday, 21 April 2023 05:33 (five months ago) link
zen worf is a gift
― mookieproof, Friday, 21 April 2023 05:38 (five months ago) link
i demand Captain Seven spinoff immediately (plz kill off Jack by ep 2)
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 21 April 2023 05:56 (five months ago) link
i mean really, jack unassimilating because he loves his mom, or because he's hot for geordi's pilot daughter, or because the showrunners thought him charismatic doesn't make much sense
― mookieproof, Friday, 21 April 2023 06:14 (five months ago) link
so Agnes and her posse were too busy guarding the mystery transwarp conduit wherever (which is not the conduit seen in this season) to show up and help or...
there's not a lot of between season continuity going on here
― mh, Friday, 21 April 2023 15:52 (five months ago) link
There's not even scene-to-scene continuity going on -- didn't Worf just take two full on space laser body blasts? and there's not even an insert of Riker quipping, "shake it off, Worf, it's just a flesh wound" to bridge the fact that he seems perfectly fine 10 seconds later.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 21 April 2023 16:24 (five months ago) link
Does the Picard golem have a usborg port in his neck? Or was it there from his prior assimilation? I guess all that cyberpunk armor is just for show.
― formerly abanana (dat), Friday, 21 April 2023 19:29 (five months ago) link
Yeah, Borg stories hopefully are put to bed now because this, like every story following "I, Borg," has made them such stock villains that have almost none of their original alienness -- how banal it was that Queenie (and Vadic) were simply motivated by revenge.
Health and Wellness Worf is still a treasure. Philip, I kind of wonder if Klingon redundant physiology explains why he was able to shake off the phaser blasts.
I did completely hate Will's decision to keep Picard company, dressed up as loyalty but really just a cheap way of amplifying the stakes, in a way that doesn't make sense. He and Troi still have a daughter, or did she get conveniently forgotten?!
― Sid Bream My Baby (Leee), Saturday, 22 April 2023 20:29 (five months ago) link
But I did like:
The shot of the nebula that's a straight homage to TNG's opening creditsRiker's "I miss that voice."Poker game at the end -- stud, rotating aerial shot, etc.
― Sid Bream My Baby (Leee), Saturday, 22 April 2023 20:46 (five months ago) link
I enjoyed the last ep overall as a nicely final-feeling bit of action TV with lots of fanservice. But.
As others already said, wither Jurati? What was the point of her borgifying if they just dropped that story?
If Q is able to recombobulate or whatever explanation befits, he could have done the decent thing and stepped in and stopped the borg thing. Just rude.
Cannot get past Jack and Picard being able to just rip out their borg cabling. ESPECIALLY since the queen specifically said, several minutes earlier, that doing so would destroy their minds. What is the POINT of assimilation if you can fight it that casually. And yeah did Picard just jam the port into his skin? Huh?
On a related note Worf seemed to cope with being shot twice right in the arm/shoulder by a powerful weapon thats been shown to kill people instantly on many occasions. He didnt even seem hurt. OK whatever. I did like the sword/phaser joke though.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 00:17 (four months ago) link
i saw someone suggest that worf could survive such things because of his redundant klingon organs . . . which is trying *really* hard
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 01:20 (four months ago) link
the redlettermedia video pointed out that the last time elron was seen, he was serving on the excelsior. the ending that character deserved.
― formerly abanana (dat), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 01:43 (four months ago) link
I suppose this is where I show my old age because the Treaty of Algernon is complete bullshit and should never have been signed with that provision intact. Section 31 sucks for not bothering to reverse-engineer cloaking tech anyway and Star Fleet sucks for not demanding that Section 31 does - even if it means installing an "in case of emergency, invoke Section 31" button on every NCC-* bridge (surprise, by doing so - you're now a Section 31 ship!) That alone would be a more interesting plot than - oh no, another page or two of script burned on the fucking cloaking device instead of something interesting.
I'm annoyed with how this all wrapped up because the first half was just good enough to encourage my own runaway imagination to expect something better than another Borg story (story made even lazier because now there's a kid). The fact that we're all talking about better spin-off fantasy shows whether it's Star Trek: Enterprise-G with Captain Seven or Star Trek: Kung Fu with Worf just magnifies how inert Picard is - even with all the end of the world stuff going on outside the viewscreen, the show (and him) seem strangely reactive. This isn't the first time this has happened with Star Trek or any other heritage IP bogged down by the weight of its own nostalgia. See also: the Obi-Wan series, most dalek episodes of nuWho.
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 28 April 2023 05:41 (four months ago) link
There’s a single line in the RLM vid where Mike inadvertently summaries a lot of the modern ST content as missing the point with the writers/showrunners wanting more grimdark as presumably more real/relevant/realistic: “here! Here’s a sweet to wade thru!” rather any sort of utopian idea
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 28 April 2023 16:17 (four months ago) link
Dammit. “Here’s a SEWER to wade thru”
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 28 April 2023 16:18 (four months ago) link
I gave up on this show but wife has been rewatching it and I'll say this much: great theme song.
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 5 May 2023 17:52 (four months ago) link
Captain Shaw memes are still the best:
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 9 July 2023 11:23 (two months ago) link
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 9 July 2023 11:27 (two months ago) link