human after all is the best daft punk album
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 16:23 (one year ago) link
ah yes... at a time when every singer had that sa,e numetal Eddie Vedder sound (eg, #1 hit of 2001: Lifehouse "Hanging On A Moment"), I always felt that Romanthony's vox were especially gentrifying and straight.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 16:33 (one year ago) link
^(same)
Elvis's version of Blue Suede Shoes is (slightly) better than Carl Perkins' original.
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 17:35 (one year ago) link
Discovery is fantastic wtf !
But, yes, RAM was awful from the jump.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 17:57 (one year ago) link
sonic youth and pavement are dated and unlistenable in 2023
― treeship., Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:05 (one year ago) link
Pavement were dated and unlistenable in their heyday, basically Weezer for people who refuse to admit they like Weezer
― castanuts (DJP), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:06 (one year ago) link
everybody’s sayin, music is love
― brimstead, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:08 (one year ago) link
― treeship., Wednesday, April 12, 2023 7:05 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
respect the game here--this is both bold and controversial
― a (waterface), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:10 (one year ago) link
pavement had the best tunes of the 90's but like i said i respect the game
― a (waterface), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:11 (one year ago) link
I've never heard Pavement but Sonic Youth are still a good listen.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:19 (one year ago) link
that whole indie way of "singing" as if you don't care about the song and are above it all is such bullshit and I don't know why people put up with it for so long
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:19 (one year ago) link
I assume the trend towards overbearing earnestness in 00s indie was partly a reaction against this
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:22 (one year ago) link
Alive 2007's poor showing in the Daft Punk poll remains a mystery to me.
― Indexed, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:34 (one year ago) link
I get why people hate Pavement, but comparing them to Weezer feels completely bizarre to me. Beyond, yes, they are both made up of college educated white dudes playing guitar-based indie rock.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:35 (one year ago) link
― your original display name is still visible (Left),
whew! Fortunately this doesn't describe Pavement. Malkmus was a romantic, whatever else he was.
― retrofuturist cop slayer! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:35 (one year ago) link
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:19 (nine minutes ago) link
I never really bought into this interpretation of the vocal delivery as applied to Pavement. I hear it more in modern "indie" examples where it sounds like they're trying to sing without moving any facial muscles.
― But his face would not turn into hot Kirby (Evan), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:37 (one year ago) link
college educated white dudes
Cuomo not until later! (college-educated, that is)
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:46 (one year ago) link
I don't really buy that that particular way of singing was really that widespread, so much 90s indie was really emotive
― omar little, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:48 (one year ago) link
And even some of it was low-key or not exuberant, much of that style was very much engaged with the emotions of the songs
― omar little, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:49 (one year ago) link
lol u know ilu but this is the rongest take. musically there's hardly any points of comparison between these two except the instrumentation.
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:51 (one year ago) link
the description left gives mostly makes me think of Serge Gainsbourg, the cult of whom looks very bad indeed in 2023 but I can't say I don't enjoy it when he does that
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:52 (one year ago) link
him too. another poorly aged musician with an obnoxious cult following who does this is frank sinatra
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:59 (one year ago) link
have to think the weezer comparisons come directly from "cut your hair"
― ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:01 (one year ago) link
maybe mr pavement has more nuance and feeling in his delivery than I remember I just had him in mind as representative of a certain tendency although he's far from the worst offender
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:06 (one year ago) link
makes me think of Cake but I think intoning your songs in a way that literally anyone could sing them is cool in its own way
― frogbs, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:10 (one year ago) link
I trace a lot of that style back to Cat Power, personally.
― Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:11 (one year ago) link
"flat, unaffected indie drawl"
birth of the flattened cool: the origins of the indie voice?
― morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:18 (one year ago) link
all french music is gay
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:20 (one year ago) link
L'amour physique e(s)t sans issue
― Beatles in My Passway (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:38 (one year ago) link
Every time I compare Pavement to Weezer, people go overboard in telling me they sound nothing alike, so I go back and play as much of Slanted and Enchanted as I can stand followed by as much of the first Weezer album as I can and basically Weezer is more melodic but there isn’t this yawning gulf in musical style that people claim
― castanuts (DJP), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:50 (one year ago) link
Basically, most of the arguments read to me as “despite sounding the same, these bands sound nothing alike”
The Weezer album is mixed louder, I’ll give you that
― castanuts (DJP), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:52 (one year ago) link
weezer sounds like the cars meets Boston at or something.. pavement sound like the fall meets the grateful dead
― brimstead, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:53 (one year ago) link
i have passed over weezer and pavement cds in charity shops.no regrets.i know my limits.
― mark e, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:58 (one year ago) link
I'd also add that although Slanted and Enchanted is a beloved Pavement album, it sounds substantially different than their subsequent albums.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 20:07 (one year ago) link
First Pavement album is 3+ years before the first Weezer album. It's basically an 80s album, not a 90s album.
Former recorded by a weirdo prog-hippy in his home studio in Stockton, CA. Latter recorded at Electric Ladyland and produced by Rik Ocasek.
But sure, Pavement is Weezer for someone, something.
I can play that game: Weezer is Pavement for people that play Wheel of Fortune instead of Scrabble.
― This machine bores fascism (PBKR), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 20:09 (one year ago) link
re: Daft Punk, given the recent history and its reception, that shit is thoroughly gentrified. just cuz it's chelsea doesn't mean it's chelsea.
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Thursday, 13 April 2023 00:45 (one year ago) link
I hear it more in modern "indie" examples where it sounds like they're trying to sing without moving any facial muscles
― enochroot, Thursday, 13 April 2023 01:15 (one year ago) link
malkmus's detached affect is playful, doesn't feel like he's trying to be too cool to sing properly idk
― ufo, Thursday, 13 April 2023 06:10 (one year ago) link
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, April 12, 2023 3:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPMnjHVlj9k
― hoonja doonja love me anymore (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 13 April 2023 06:29 (one year ago) link
I don't really care for the affectedly affectless indie voice, but in a world where every other popular singer does that poor wickle sad puppy voice, it's very much the lesser evil.
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Thursday, 13 April 2023 06:31 (one year ago) link
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:59 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
it's funny how a debatable but not-really-controversial opinion like 'Pavement sound like Weezer' will generate impassioned debate on this thread, but an actually insane opinion like citing Frank Sinatra in this context just passes by unmentioned, pearls before swine
― soref, Thursday, 13 April 2023 07:02 (one year ago) link
soccer mommy is cool but she just sounds depressed not above it all
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 13 April 2023 07:04 (one year ago) link
frank sinatra sounds like he fucking hates the song at least a lot of the time
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 13 April 2023 07:06 (one year ago) link
but an actually insane opinion like citing Frank Sinatra in this context just passes by unmentioned, pearls before swine
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Thursday, 13 April 2023 07:07 (one year ago) link
Frank could phone it in like nobody else though, I love this record which is supposed to be his worst ever.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHfycHpzCgE
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Thursday, 13 April 2023 07:09 (one year ago) link
― corrs unplugged, Thursday, 13 April 2023 07:12 (one year ago) link
I guess Sinatra has a cool, casual singing style that contrasts with the belting the song out to people in the back-row style of the pre-microphone era, and you could maybe connect that to certain types of indie singing? But it's funny to be like 'maybe Frank Sinatra could have been an OK singer if he just put a little effort in'
― soref, Thursday, 13 April 2023 07:14 (one year ago) link
The artist is a carrier bag the records are the shopping inside the bag. You can't eat the bag
― saer, Thursday, 13 April 2023 07:19 (one year ago) link