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Agree on both of those posts though I would say homework really is one I'll always have a soft spot for, it still sounds pretty fresh.

omar little, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 15:45 (one year ago) link

hmm, gay feelings very much in the mix of my Daft Punk love

sloop johnnin' skater (geoffreyess), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 16:06 (one year ago) link

could never really get into Alive 2007, felt like it flattened out a lot of what was cool about Human After All

sloop johnnin' skater (geoffreyess), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 16:08 (one year ago) link

retrofuturist cosplayers making house music can't help being a little queer but it's all relative

your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 16:13 (one year ago) link

ooh I'd love to be a retrofuturist cop slayer!

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 16:21 (one year ago) link

human after all is the best daft punk album

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 16:23 (one year ago) link

ah yes... at a time when every singer had that sa,e numetal Eddie Vedder sound (eg, #1 hit of 2001: Lifehouse "Hanging On A Moment"), I always felt that Romanthony's vox were especially gentrifying and straight.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 16:33 (one year ago) link

^(same)

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 16:33 (one year ago) link

Elvis's version of Blue Suede Shoes is (slightly) better than Carl Perkins' original.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 17:35 (one year ago) link

Discovery is fantastic wtf !

But, yes, RAM was awful from the jump.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 17:57 (one year ago) link

sonic youth and pavement are dated and unlistenable in 2023

treeship., Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:05 (one year ago) link

Pavement were dated and unlistenable in their heyday, basically Weezer for people who refuse to admit they like Weezer

castanuts (DJP), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:06 (one year ago) link

everybody’s sayin, music is love

brimstead, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:08 (one year ago) link

sonic youth and pavement are dated and unlistenable in 2023

― treeship., Wednesday, April 12, 2023 7:05 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

respect the game here--this is both bold and controversial

a (waterface), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:10 (one year ago) link

pavement had the best tunes of the 90's but like i said i respect the game

a (waterface), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:11 (one year ago) link

I've never heard Pavement but Sonic Youth are still a good listen.

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:19 (one year ago) link

that whole indie way of "singing" as if you don't care about the song and are above it all is such bullshit and I don't know why people put up with it for so long

your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:19 (one year ago) link

I assume the trend towards overbearing earnestness in 00s indie was partly a reaction against this

your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:22 (one year ago) link

Alive 2007's poor showing in the Daft Punk poll remains a mystery to me.

Indexed, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:34 (one year ago) link

I get why people hate Pavement, but comparing them to Weezer feels completely bizarre to me. Beyond, yes, they are both made up of college educated white dudes playing guitar-based indie rock.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:35 (one year ago) link

that whole indie way of "singing" as if you don't care about the song and are above it all is such bullshit and I don't know why people put up with it for so long

― your original display name is still visible (Left),

whew! Fortunately this doesn't describe Pavement. Malkmus was a romantic, whatever else he was.

retrofuturist cop slayer! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:35 (one year ago) link

that whole indie way of "singing" as if you don't care about the song and are above it all is such bullshit and I don't know why people put up with it for so long

― your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:19 (nine minutes ago) link

I never really bought into this interpretation of the vocal delivery as applied to Pavement. I hear it more in modern "indie" examples where it sounds like they're trying to sing without moving any facial muscles.

But his face would not turn into hot Kirby (Evan), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:37 (one year ago) link

college educated white dudes

Cuomo not until later! (college-educated, that is)

morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:46 (one year ago) link

I don't really buy that that particular way of singing was really that widespread, so much 90s indie was really emotive

omar little, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:48 (one year ago) link

And even some of it was low-key or not exuberant, much of that style was very much engaged with the emotions of the songs

omar little, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:49 (one year ago) link

Pavement were dated and unlistenable in their heyday, basically Weezer for people who refuse to admit they like Weezer

lol u know ilu but this is the rongest take. musically there's hardly any points of comparison between these two except the instrumentation.

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:51 (one year ago) link

the description left gives mostly makes me think of Serge Gainsbourg, the cult of whom looks very bad indeed in 2023 but I can't say I don't enjoy it when he does that

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:52 (one year ago) link

him too. another poorly aged musician with an obnoxious cult following who does this is frank sinatra

your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:59 (one year ago) link

have to think the weezer comparisons come directly from "cut your hair"

ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:01 (one year ago) link

maybe mr pavement has more nuance and feeling in his delivery than I remember I just had him in mind as representative of a certain tendency although he's far from the worst offender

your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:06 (one year ago) link

makes me think of Cake but I think intoning your songs in a way that literally anyone could sing them is cool in its own way

frogbs, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:10 (one year ago) link

I trace a lot of that style back to Cat Power, personally.

Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:11 (one year ago) link

"flat, unaffected indie drawl"

Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:11 (one year ago) link

all french music is gay

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:20 (one year ago) link

L'amour physique e(s)t sans issue

Beatles in My Passway (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:38 (one year ago) link

Every time I compare Pavement to Weezer, people go overboard in telling me they sound nothing alike, so I go back and play as much of Slanted and Enchanted as I can stand followed by as much of the first Weezer album as I can and basically Weezer is more melodic but there isn’t this yawning gulf in musical style that people claim

castanuts (DJP), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:50 (one year ago) link

Basically, most of the arguments read to me as “despite sounding the same, these bands sound nothing alike”

The Weezer album is mixed louder, I’ll give you that

castanuts (DJP), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:52 (one year ago) link

weezer sounds like the cars meets Boston at or something.. pavement sound like the fall meets the grateful dead

brimstead, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:53 (one year ago) link

i have passed over weezer and pavement cds in charity shops.
no regrets.
i know my limits.

mark e, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:58 (one year ago) link

I'd also add that although Slanted and Enchanted is a beloved Pavement album, it sounds substantially different than their subsequent albums.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 20:07 (one year ago) link

First Pavement album is 3+ years before the first Weezer album. It's basically an 80s album, not a 90s album.

Former recorded by a weirdo prog-hippy in his home studio in Stockton, CA. Latter recorded at Electric Ladyland and produced by Rik Ocasek.

But sure, Pavement is Weezer for someone, something.

I can play that game: Weezer is Pavement for people that play Wheel of Fortune instead of Scrabble.

This machine bores fascism (PBKR), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 20:09 (one year ago) link

re: Daft Punk, given the recent history and its reception, that shit is thoroughly gentrified. just cuz it's chelsea doesn't mean it's chelsea.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Thursday, 13 April 2023 00:45 (one year ago) link

I hear it more in modern "indie" examples where it sounds like they're trying to sing without moving any facial muscles

Soccer Mommy!

enochroot, Thursday, 13 April 2023 01:15 (one year ago) link

malkmus's detached affect is playful, doesn't feel like he's trying to be too cool to sing properly idk

ufo, Thursday, 13 April 2023 06:10 (one year ago) link

all french music is gay

― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, April 12, 2023 3:20 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPMnjHVlj9k

hoonja doonja love me anymore (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 13 April 2023 06:29 (one year ago) link

I don't really care for the affectedly affectless indie voice, but in a world where every other popular singer does that poor wickle sad puppy voice, it's very much the lesser evil.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Thursday, 13 April 2023 06:31 (one year ago) link

that whole indie way of "singing" as if you don't care about the song and are above it all is such bullshit and I don't know why people put up with it for so long

― your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 18:19 (nine minutes ago) link

him too. another poorly aged musician with an obnoxious cult following who does this is frank sinatra

― your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 19:59 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

it's funny how a debatable but not-really-controversial opinion like 'Pavement sound like Weezer' will generate impassioned debate on this thread, but an actually insane opinion like citing Frank Sinatra in this context just passes by unmentioned, pearls before swine

soref, Thursday, 13 April 2023 07:02 (one year ago) link

soccer mommy is cool but she just sounds depressed not above it all

your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 13 April 2023 07:04 (one year ago) link

frank sinatra sounds like he fucking hates the song at least a lot of the time

your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 13 April 2023 07:06 (one year ago) link


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