Who do the British seemingly hate Q Magazine?

Pretty close, Alex, pretty close.

Side question - does anyone dislike the magazine/publication, to which they contribute? Better to be on the inside, pissing out, sez I!

It's the equivalent of wearing an 'I am a complete c-nt' t-shirt, Alex.

tim lemme tell ya abt a chap called damian hurst (sp?)...

Matchbox 20 are for Clear Channel Rock Radio listeners.

Hahahaha.

-- Alan, November 3rd, 2003.

Most OTM thing I've ever seen on this message board. Ever.

Music is not supposed to be anything you think it is. including that.

ha ha ha! this would be so very true if it weren't so untrue. music can be whatever you friggin' want it to be! it's your life(don't you forget). music can even be a hat. and timeless just means that a piece of music doesn't know what time it is. unless it's a cuckoo clock. or a church bell. or a nokia cellphone. music isn't supposed to be anything you think it is. hah! what a weird empty unimaginative world some people must live in!

Here's how the advertising rationale works: you say to advertisers that your 50-70k circulation on average each let 4 other people see it, so a readership of 250,000 is what the ad sales guy tries to sell the ad buyers. S/he compares ad price to others in his market (Q is 25/34) based on what competitors' media pack rate is (easily available info) and believe me, it costs more to buy a full page next to Britney than it does to buy it next to the reviews. The outside back cover ALWAYS costs the most. So if you've got 1k a page and then 10k for the OBC and say 7k for the inside covers and you're running 90 pages of content to 70 of adverts you've got 88k in ad revenues (but that'll go to 80 or 70 once the ad people take commission). Say your cover price is £3 - you'd get £1 after distributors have had their gouge. So add say 50k to your 88k and you have £125k in each month to pay for EVERYTHING.

I have to fly but basically it boils down to cost per reader compared with others' cost per reader, who you've got on the cover (LIARZONE) and how much brandsex can be had. A lot of ads in fashion mags (especially fledgeling ones) are 'free' ads, meaning they are not paid for but donated by brand managers. If the staff of a fashion mag really want to hate on their competitor they'll gossip at parties that their Prada and Miu Miu ads were free.

(reminds self to grab media pack from Edgy Style Mag)

Courtesy of a disc enclosed with the latest issue of much-maligned Brit
music periodical, Q magazine, I've finally heard two bands those silly Brits
have been spilling their lager all over themselves in praising, notably the
Darkness ("Get Your Hands Off My Woman") and the States' own Kings of Leon
("Red Morning Light")....and I'm fuckin' shocked at how fucking **AWFUL**
they both are....and they're the first two cuts on a disc dubbed "The Best
of `03".

Fuckin' dire, dire crap.

......What did he we tell you about Q magazine! and those dodgy rock bands !

I didn't know you were a Gatherer, DJ!

Quite possibly true, but I guess I never make the connection as you never seem to post on the Gathering (unless you're doing so under a different moniker).

More of a lurker..only recent post of note...spotted Jaz & young PR woman in Camden about a month ago.

I work two twelve hour overnight shifts a week, so I snatch up pretty much every music periodical there is (within reason) to fill up those empty wee morning hours. I really should stop reading ROLLING STONE and SPIN, as all they seem to do is make me mad (way, way more so that Q, who at least acknowledge the existence of certain bands).

Maybe the reason people *won't* be listening to Wilco in two hundred years is because there probably won't be a large cultural and academic institution propping them up. If classical music wasn't so classical, wasn't so tied up in notions of good taste and refinement and a proper humanist education, would it be "timeless"? Certainly some people would listen to it, but any music you can name is liked and listened to by someone. Being accorded a privileged social status by the community as a whole has much more to do with how society sees itself in relation to the artistic form (and thus, simply, how society sees itself) rather than any inherent superiority within the music. The privileged status of classical music is as much about a dogged insistence upon the inherent rightness of the western musical tradition, and a reinforcement of class-based divisions of taste (see Bourdieu on this) as it is about the music itself. And one only has to look at Geir's frequent crypto-racist arguments for musical purity to see how deeply ideological appeals to Western Musical Tradition can be.

I'm not saying that classical music isn't good, but I don't think you can appeal to these notions of "timelessness" without noting the very glaring ideological dimensions to such a status (eg. we don't tend to call Chinese opera "timeless" - why not?). Maybe Wilco *will* be considered timeless in 200 years. If so, I'm sure society will have very good reasons for it and it won't simply be because Yankee Foxtrot Hotel or whatever it's called is some amazing album.

I think that is a quite fair kind of predictability. What is pathetic is when a magazine gives a rave review to a band, and then, two years later said band follows that debut album with another album that is just as great, but in the meantime said mag has decided that band is no longer "hip", and as such, they give a really lousy review to their new album, while pretending to have disliked their previous one too.

hahahaa

(All the shit they receive are probably from writers whose musical taste is so different from what Travis are doing they aren't given the job to review Travis at all - obviously, you don't ask a hip-hop/dance fan to review Travis)

what a cop-out. you agreed with geir!

But Tim is correct here: that is what happens with 'Timeless' music: you can't argue with hiw good it is, how music and the way its received changes over time: it becomes preserved as this great thing and then ppl stop caring abt it. What is the point of even checking out classical music from bach or beethoven's time. I'd rather spend my time with 20th century classical right now.

Well, some of it is nice to listen to julio!