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maybe cuz the image and that minute of Thus Spake Zarathustra have been parodied endlessly?

(friend claims this is why I hate Brando in The Godfather, but I maintain it's because he's bad)

Dune, aghhh. Medieval-style sci-fi... me so sleeeepppyyy...

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I've seen that in a theatre too. Trust me, you don't want to see it in a theatre. Unless you're seriously drunk.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

mang i like dune and 2001. i hate movies-as-competition shit.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link

They're finally going to release the 3-hour version Jan 31st. Hopefully with the sequence where they drown the baby sandworms to get 'em to cough up the water of life. That's pretty crucial.

How the hell did you get to see Dune in the theater? Man.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Brando is kind of bad in the Godfather, that's the exact moment in time where he becomes BRANDO teh JOKE in my mind. But OTOH I'm on record on this board as kind of disliking everything about the Godfather besides Al Pacino's performance and maybe Diane Keaton's.

I bought tickets to see Dune in a theatre. WTF?

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Parody factor is a good point though, though in Brando's case he kind of parodies himself see also DeNiro and, uh, Pacino actually.

i hate movies-as-competition shit.

what do you mean?

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

He probably means that, like me, he likes most of the films that have been bashed by various people on this thread in order to praise other films.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean the whole comparison. "dune" and "2001" are totally different movies, and comparing them is pointless - not to mention the idea that one's better than the other when it's like apples and oranges! it's like ILM and the total "taking sides" bullshit. both of those movies stand fine on their own merits.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

both of those movies stand fine on their own merits.

But as films go, Stence, you must admit that 2001 has the edge, no?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I wasn't trying to bring up competition. I was kind of thinking about silly music moments in sci-fi and movies I would put up on a big screen first, if I had a big screen in my house, ergo, DUNE.

I meant where the hell do they still show Dune in the theater! I guess not in Alabama or Tennessee or the Washington DC metro area.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

there was a jack kirby 2001 comic?!?!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been mostly joking on this thread, but when has Kubrick come up with a joke as good as the WOPR (ohno popcult ref ohno!). And can someone explain why 2001 is better than his last two?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yes.

― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean yes to the Kirby comic.

― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

They showed Dune at the St Marks Theater in 1984.

I was far more bored by the Herbert book -- Lynch slightly improved on it, if only by the brio with which Kenneth MacMillan popped pustules and devoured boys. Hundreds of pages on spice and worms...
(drooling, slackjawed...)

But yeah, Dune is not at all the kind of SF 2001 is.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Piece from the Jack Kirby Collector:

http://www.twomorrows.com/kirby/articles/312001.html

― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

yes, hstencil, they are totally different movies but you could say that about any single movie ever made. How are you supposed to decide if you like or dislike a movie or where it stands in comparison to other films in the genre/style/era/etc without, well, comparing films? I don't understand why you keep coming on film threads to make that point. Especially since, yeah, I didn't get the impression Tom or Morbius were actualy COMPARING Dune and 2001.

xpost that book is unreadable. I'm not a big sci fi person though, really. The movie is about 4 hours of Kyle MacLachlan staring blankly which I'm mostly ok with. I like the fact that the disaster that was Dune actually managed to get the go-ahead for Blue Velvet from de Laurentiis.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I did briefly tune into the Sci-Fi Channel Dune for some nearly naked villainous Matt Keeslar (as opposed to Sting, ick). Riding the worm, indeed.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

x-post

Obviously, I disagree with that article on the '76 comic. Kirby's "lazy," "loose" style in the mid-'70s was a thing of almost abstract beauty.

― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Ugh Sting shouldn't be cast in anything.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Brian Eno's theme for Dune completely mashes Thus Spake Zarathustra's fanfare in terms of simulatenous pomp and terror. It's fucking brilliant, actually. As are the OTT end credits with the crystal piano barf and the actors in costume standing next to their names. Totally sweet.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Is there anything you DON'T remember about Dune?? End credits? Piano barf??

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link

But as films go, Stence, you must admit that 2001 has the edge, no?

well yeah, i did post earlier that it's my favorite film.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Joshua??? Haha, is that the WarGames computer? You'd put a killer of astronauts up against something programmed by Matthew Broderick?!?

Hello! JOSHUA was totally designed by Dr. Stephen Falken. He, like, named it after his dead son or whatever. Sheesh.

― andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

but when has Kubrick come up with a joke as good as the WOPR

The entire screenplays for Strangelove and Lolita? Well, in having Terry Southern and Nabokov write them, anyway.

― monkeybutler, Thursday, 1 December 2005 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link

That is to say, both screenplays are full of great jokes, but Kubrick didn't "come up with" them so much as he had great collaborative writers.

― monkeybutler, Thursday, 1 December 2005 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Nabokov later published his screenplay of Lolita -- because the movie script was written by Kubrick. Vlad receiving solo screen credit was apparently purely contractual.

Kubrick is described as an enthusiastic black jokester in conversation.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 December 2005 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Didn't know that about Lolita, Dr. M. Learn something every day.

"She's having a cavity filled next week by your Uncle Ivor" is at least a good a joke as "WOPR," in either case.

― monkeybutler, Thursday, 1 December 2005 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, the spacebaby thing: Think of all the billions of sperm that get produced in your balls over your lifetime. They're all swimming around in there thinking this is all there is to life, probably not even able to suspect that they serve a vital function to a much more massive and complex lifeform. Maybe only one of those billions goes through the whole process of sex/orgasm/fertilization/birth to transform into, or facilitate the next form of life. That is kinda what happens to Kier Dullea. Of the billions of humans that have been created, he is the one who becomes the catalyst to create the Starbaby. He approaches VENUS(which he is heading towards after receiving mysterious ELECTRONIC SIGNALS). Unfortunately most of his travelling buddies die off during the journey but he gets to go through a mysterious process, possibly as trippy as being fired up a uerethra and into a throbbing twat, ultimately creating/becoming the Starchild - aka. the next level of life/conciousness/whatever. The film is partly asking if we aren't all just like sperm, somehow knowing there is a meaning to life but obviously not equipped to comprehend it? And only one of us is needed to make the whole journey.

By the way, she did get her bushbaby - they even filmed a scene where you see it getting purchased but it got cut.

― everything, Friday, 2 December 2005 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link

does everyone know about this place?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 2 December 2005 00:36 (eighteen years ago) link

that Mark Crispin Miller 2001 essay illustrates why I like the last two the best. to the extent you see them all as the same movie, I prefer the sympathy, affection even (read: humor), found in FMJ and EWS to the great out-the-airlock zing of 2001.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 2 December 2005 00:52 (eighteen years ago) link

it is science fiction, i suppose

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 2 December 2005 00:57 (eighteen years ago) link

We're heading for Venus
and still we stand tall
cause maybe they've seen us
and welcome us all
with so many light years to go
and things to be found
I'm sure that we'll all miss her so
It's the final countdown
The final countdown
We're leaving forever
It's the final countdown
But still it's farewell

It's the final countdown

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 2 December 2005 01:14 (eighteen years ago) link

We're the future and the past, we're the only way you're gonna last
We're just pawns in a funny game, tiny actors in the oldest play
It's an angry sea we face, just to get the chance to join the race
Gotta make it, gotta try, gotta get the chance to live and die

We must, we must, we must leave from here
We must, we must, we must, we must leave from here
Gotta make our play, gotta get away
Gotta make our play, gotta get away
Gotta make our play, gotta get away
Gotta make our play
Let us out of here, let us out of here, let us out of here

We just want to feel the sun and be your little daughter or your son
We're just words that lovers use, words thaat light that automatic fuse
When that love explosion comes, my, oh my, we want to be someone

― everything, Friday, 2 December 2005 01:26 (eighteen years ago) link

It's my way
Or the old space highway

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 2 December 2005 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link

i was gonna watch 2001 while writing my memo tonight, but Major League is on

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 2 December 2005 02:00 (eighteen years ago) link

now Major League, there's a movie we can all get behind, am I right or am I right?

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 2 December 2005 02:31 (eighteen years ago) link

that movie could've used Gabe Kapler.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 2 December 2005 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Or Oliver Platt as the manager.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 2 December 2005 03:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Ray Liotta.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 2 December 2005 03:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Major League is perfect as-is.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Friday, 2 December 2005 03:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Being a fan who knows all baseball movies suck, I've never seen it (cept the first 10 minutes once on cable).

In theater viewings, I always find the StarChild shot tremendously moving. As I do Nicole Kidman's "Fuck" (his second-most optimistic ending).

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:32 (eighteen years ago) link

...cept the first 10 minutes...

the only good part is the opening credits set to randy newman's "burn on."

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

And I don't even remember that!

Any opinions on the discarded Alex North score that Kubrick dumped for the Strausses? I know it came out.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I do remember reading in Michael Caine's autobio some story about Kubrick borrowing records from the public library until he found that Zarathustra thing.

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Tarkovsky's criticism of 2001 - that it ridiculously overdramatized
things that would be trivial in that time. ie: too much of a time-traveler's
perspective in it.
As for Dune... it would have been fucking INCREDIBLE if the original plan
to have Jodorowsky direct had panned out.

― shieldforyoureyes, Friday, 2 December 2005 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Any opinions on the discarded Alex North score that Kubrick dumped for the Strausses? I know it came out.

i still haven't heard it, but i'd like to. anybody got a copy?

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

lol @ tarkovsky, u cd say the same thing about 'andrei rublev'.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

U cd, but u'd b wrong.

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

er, how? tarko just doesn't like drama anyway, is his problem.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

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