and the fact that the time so blatantly sucks his dick just...sickens me.
― nice! he have the balls to say the truth! (the table is the table), Monday, 3 August 2009 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link
what'd you expect from a publication responsible for stuff like this:
Alessandra Stanley...a prolific writer much admired by editors for the intellectual heft of her coverage of television..Stanley was the cause of so many corrections in 2005 that she was assigned a single copy editor responsible for checking her facts.
― m coleman, Monday, 3 August 2009 17:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Did anyone read the "Lives" thing in the back of the magazine this week, about the guy and his neighbors?
― nabisco, Monday, 3 August 2009 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link
i did i did
― Mr. Que, Monday, 3 August 2009 17:48 (fourteen years ago) link
lmao @ Alessandra Stanley"The short answer is that a television critic with a history of errors wrote hastily and failed to double-check her work"
― velko, Monday, 3 August 2009 17:48 (fourteen years ago) link
haha Mr. Que I am not even sure how to formulate my response to that piece
― nabisco, Monday, 3 August 2009 17:49 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah me neither--usually i read like the first sentence of those things and then stop, but for some reason i pressed on
― Mr. Que, Monday, 3 August 2009 17:51 (fourteen years ago) link
like did that guy expect the reader not to think he was sort of a dick before the part where he realized he was a dick and felt bad about it? or was he trying to encourage us to notice he was being a dick to prepare for his eventual shameful realization? are we supposed to feel good about him realizing he was sort of a dick, even though as far as I'm concerned he should have realized it way before and then not published an article about how he learned the important lesson not to be an asshole? and how do you write that without at all addressing any of the obvious things that problem contributed to your neighbor tension, like class stuff and city-versus-country stuff and sexual-orientation stuff? is it really possible to live next door to people and be the fussy meddling gay man from Manhattan and not be aware of the dynamics involved? (if so, is that a good thing?) so many questions.
― nabisco, Monday, 3 August 2009 17:53 (fourteen years ago) link
the casualness of the whole "well, we couldnt live next door to them anymore, so we sold the house!!" was very
― max, Monday, 3 August 2009 17:54 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah but in some ways, i'm glad i read it. it seemed like a much better Lives column than normal, if only because it raised all those crazy questions that you mention? usually, if i read the whole thing i think "Why did I just waste three minutes of my life reading that."
― Mr. Que, Monday, 3 August 2009 17:55 (fourteen years ago) link
on the other hand i was totally cheering on the German Shepard to attack the guy, and when he admitted he had never heard the swing set, i wanted to throttle him
― Mr. Que, Monday, 3 August 2009 17:56 (fourteen years ago) link
ha, that's true, it definitely got more reaction out of me than anything back there in years. still, it seems wrong to give someone space in the back of the times magazine to talk about his important experience, as a presumably non-autistic grown man, of how not to get along with neighbors.
― nabisco, Monday, 3 August 2009 17:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Thank u ILX for being (shockingly) an island of sanity. Someone I know is apparently friends with the steampunk/Victorian taxidermy people from last week, and was posting links on FB being all "CONGRATS TO CALUMERIA AND NICHOLAS CHATTAM-SMYTHE" or whatever.
― Like most people my age, I am 33 (Laurel), Monday, 3 August 2009 17:58 (fourteen years ago) link
the more I think about it, surely he was arranging the details in a self-deprecating way: he talks about moving their stuff off their own driveway, and finally flips out when they're making noise at one after a family wedding. I would like to think he's being self-aware there, but then I have trouble imagining a very self-aware person writing the thing in the first place.
― nabisco, Monday, 3 August 2009 17:59 (fourteen years ago) link
almost like a throwback to 1970s style village voice confessional journalism (w/o the sexual TMI)
― m coleman, Monday, 3 August 2009 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link
In her haste, she said, she looked up the dates for two big stories that Cronkite covered — the assassination of Martin Luther King and the moment Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon — and copied them incorrectly.
I hate to be that guy, but not knowing these two dates off the top of one's head kinda boggles my mind.
― I am moving on baby, I am moving on (Pancakes Hackman), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:02 (fourteen years ago) link
seriously
― Mr. Que, Monday, 3 August 2009 18:03 (fourteen years ago) link
"intellectual heft" apparently does not include much heavy lifting
― m coleman, Monday, 3 August 2009 18:03 (fourteen years ago) link
oh and if a freelancer handed in a piece w/errors like that?
― m coleman, Monday, 3 August 2009 18:05 (fourteen years ago) link
The Cronkite episode suggests that a newsroom geared toward deadlines needs to find a much better way to deal with articles written with no certain publication date.
hmm you guys haven't figured out how to do this in your 150 years of publishing?
― a being that goes on two legs and is ungrateful (dyao), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:05 (fourteen years ago) link
you guys weren't exactly trying to figure out how to twitter the Obituary
WALTERGATE
― m coleman, Monday, 3 August 2009 18:07 (fourteen years ago) link
I promise you that in ANY kind of publishing, if something doesn't have to get done RIGHT NOW, no one will look at it until it does. This is just business as usual.
― Like most people my age, I am 33 (Laurel), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:16 (fourteen years ago) link
NYT fail right guys
― SBed à part (s1ocki), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:17 (fourteen years ago) link
wait wait hold up now: not talking about Stanley here, but ... you two really have those exact dates as part of your store of instant top-of-head knowledge? really honestly? like to the point where you're surprised other people don't? I mean, not to hurt your mind or anything, but I totally don't. I'm pretty sure like 99.9% of people wouldn't have instant recall on those.
― nabisco, Monday, 3 August 2009 18:25 (fourteen years ago) link
well maybe not 99.9%
― nabisco, Monday, 3 August 2009 18:26 (fourteen years ago) link
can i admit something
― Mr. Que, Monday, 3 August 2009 18:26 (fourteen years ago) link
the one way i remember the day MLK was shot?
― Mr. Que, Monday, 3 August 2009 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Nope. Wouldn't know those dates if they came with an identifying tag on their collars.
― Like most people my age, I am 33 (Laurel), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link
(or the way i used to remember)
is via that song by that Irish band
they might if they recall the lyrics to "pride (in the name of love)" still, basic point taken.
xpost
― Smells like meat. Rotten meat. (Eisbaer), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link
the Neil Armstrong is just there--i'm not aware of a U2 song about him
― Mr. Que, Monday, 3 August 2009 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Man why didn't U2 make a song about all the important events & their dates, 1967-199?
― a muttering inbred (called) (not named) (Abbott), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean, I can be pretty catty about having to make reprint cx to a book in which someone MISTAKENLY CORRECTED Michel Legrand's name to "Michael" and now I have to fix it, when I could have proof-read the goddamn thing for them in the first place. But dates...apart from 1492 and 9/11? No.
― Like most people my age, I am 33 (Laurel), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link
NEVER FORGET
― a muttering inbred (called) (not named) (Abbott), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:30 (fourteen years ago) link
"we didn't start the unforgettable fire"?!?
― Smells like meat. Rotten meat. (Eisbaer), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:30 (fourteen years ago) link
but laurel, can you a copy a date from one place to another and not fuck it up??
― there is no there there (elmo argonaut), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:32 (fourteen years ago) link
ppl who make mistakes should be shot imo
― SBed à part (s1ocki), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:33 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't really think it's necessary to have all these historic dates archived in yr brane but at least know a reliable place to look them up & know how to copy & paste them into your word processing computer machine???
― there is no there there (elmo argonaut), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:34 (fourteen years ago) link
i bet whoever did it can't even tie their own shoes
― SBed à part (s1ocki), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:35 (fourteen years ago) link
making these shoes the NYT footwear of choice:
http://img.hottopic.com/is/image/HotTopic/372413_hi
no laces!
― a muttering inbred (called) (not named) (Abbott), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:36 (fourteen years ago) link
That gives me a much different vision of their editorial meetings.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 August 2009 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link
They play a lot of Razed in Black and forget important dates together.
― a muttering inbred (called) (not named) (Abbott), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:38 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, that's the confusing part: I don't know how you check a date and then copy it wrong. dates are pretty short.
― nabisco, Monday, 3 August 2009 18:39 (fourteen years ago) link
british to american date formatting confusion? maybe?
― there is no there there (elmo argonaut), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link
On 11/9/2001 absolutely nothing of importance happened
― a being that goes on two legs and is ungrateful (dyao), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Maybe I just have a mind for dates and other numbers. (I also have nearly all of my credit card and bank account numbers memorized.) Plus, July 20 -- the moon landing date -- is also my wedding anniversary.
― I am moving on baby, I am moving on (Pancakes Hackman), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:47 (fourteen years ago) link
did anyone finish that michael pollan article on julia child and how no one cooks anymore? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
― Mr. Que, Monday, 3 August 2009 18:49 (fourteen years ago) link
Dude's kind of one note, isn't he.
― a muttering inbred (called) (not named) (Abbott), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:50 (fourteen years ago) link
The New Antiquarian abodes look like my brother's house, except his is all comic book shit and Nightmare Before Christmas memorabilia.
― ice cr?m paint job (milo z), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:52 (fourteen years ago) link