ILX Film Club, The (1924-2019)

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One of my most philistine takes is that Passion, though extremely great, is even better with the now-standard Einhorn accompaniment.

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Thursday, 23 March 2023 13:45 (one year ago) link

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Le voyage dans la lune, Georges Méliès, 1902
Morbsies #562

Youtube link here - loads of versions on Youtube but this seems to be the best quality non-colourized, non-50fps one, if you prefer that then there are plenty of options. This version has a brass band backing which I don't care for, you can just mute it though.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Monday, 27 March 2023 13:07 (one year ago) link

Update! I had thought that the hand-colour version was lost, apparently it was found and restored. This seems to be the best version I can find - it claims to be 50fps but I can see no evidence of this.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Monday, 27 March 2023 13:16 (one year ago) link

Unlike most of the other films so far, I've watched this quite a few times. It's hard to judge by later film standards as Méliès doesn't really fit in the lineage, and if this were a history of the grammar of film-making, something like The Great Train Robbery (1903) would be more interesting, but it isn't, so it isn't. Obviously it's just a series of theatrical tableaux, but what tableaux!

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Monday, 27 March 2023 13:18 (one year ago) link

* A film which is likely too goth even for goths, it's essentially an advertisement for suicide.
* So, so beautiful though, all of the apparitions and that tracking shot at the party at the start is wonderful
* Male lead and director both dead within the next few years. Vera Karalli OTOH was one of two women present on the night of Rasputin's murder. Then she lived until the 70s.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Monday, 3 April 2023 12:53 (one year ago) link

More or less co-sign on all of that. This and Twilight of a Woman's Soul reached me at the right moment in my life to leave an indelible imprint.

fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Monday, 3 April 2023 14:29 (one year ago) link

Late to give my thinking on the Mélies: the version on Amazon has a dude narrating over it, was this perhaps common practice at some point in the silent era, pre introduction of intertitles? Anyway, it's great fun, reminded me a lot of Terry Gilliam (with the bonus that I know nothing about whether Mélies was an asshole).

fav letterboxd review, from user Allan:

Pretty realistic in the sense that if you did send a bunch of old guys into space, they probably would take a nap then try to kill some aliens and then expect a medal for it when they got back

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 3 April 2023 14:55 (one year ago) link

After Death - This is the first thing discussed itt that I'd never even heard of! I think I never considered that pre-revolutionary Russia would have a film industry, Eisenstein and co cast such a large shadow.

Anyway, enjoyed this a lot! A lot more plot focused than most of what we've watched so far, could easily imagine it as a short story. Very Russian, of course. Do think the ending could have been pulled off more economically, I suppose they're trying to build towards a crescendo but it doesn't really escalate so much as maintain the same level imo.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 09:17 (one year ago) link

that dinner party long shot was beautiful

nxd, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 13:35 (one year ago) link

watch my french jeanne d'arc. very strange framing at times as i've probably said before. and the burning at the end (spoilers) lingered on the corpse to an uncomfortable degree.

also recognised one shot of the cover of that adorable cd i have

https://www.discogs.com/master/20907-Adorable-Sunshine-Smile

koogs, Sunday, 9 April 2023 19:24 (one year ago) link

the other startling thing, towards the end, is when he tracks people moving from in front of the camera to behind it - he rotates the camera in an axis such that the shot ends up upside down.

koogs, Sunday, 9 April 2023 19:33 (one year ago) link

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Intolerance, D.W. Griffith, 1916
Morbsies #956

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Camaraderie at Arms Length, Monday, 10 April 2023 15:39 (one year ago) link

I have 50 minutes left on my rewatch of this, so will save my thoughts for a bit.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Monday, 10 April 2023 15:39 (one year ago) link

Yeah, sitting this one out.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 10 April 2023 15:40 (one year ago) link

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fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Monday, 10 April 2023 15:52 (one year ago) link

I'm actually curious what Camaraderie has to say!

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 April 2023 16:07 (one year ago) link

I am compelled to drop Morbs' own review of the movie here:

https://www.slantmagazine.com/dvd/intolerance/

fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Monday, 10 April 2023 16:26 (one year ago) link

I'm glad he settled on "influential" rather than "innovative"

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Monday, 10 April 2023 16:32 (one year ago) link

Also, I'll do clem's work here and link up Kael's review too (which, very much a product of its time, does not stop short of calling Birth of a Nation a great film):

https://letterboxd.com/notpaulinekael/film/intolerance-loves-struggle-throughout-the-ages/1/

fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Monday, 10 April 2023 17:12 (one year ago) link

I think it’s fair to say that Movies Silently isn’t a fan of Griffiths or Intolerance.

One pervasive myth is that DW Griffith apologized for the racism of THE BIRTH OF A NATION by making INTOLERANCE, which examined the ways prejudice caused suffering throughout history.

So let's just cut down that argument at the knees, shall we? pic.twitter.com/xfwuvEceib

— Movies Silently 🐀 (@MoviesSilently) October 13, 2022

Dan Worsley, Monday, 10 April 2023 18:07 (one year ago) link

Yes, I have been very tempted to post her threads on DWG.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Monday, 10 April 2023 18:24 (one year ago) link

Very fair game

fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Monday, 10 April 2023 19:12 (one year ago) link

I agree that the idea that Intolerance was any kind of mea culpa is basically bunk

fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Monday, 10 April 2023 19:13 (one year ago) link

I mostly agree with the review; I saw the film long ago, bug-eyed over its bat shit insanity. But, yeah, it's not a mea culpa so much as a chance to do TBOAN again but more bat shit.

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 April 2023 19:15 (one year ago) link

I will say I had a lot of fun traipsing around the collapsing sets of Intolerance in the video game LA Noir.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 09:44 (one year ago) link

OK, finished it! The second time I've seen the film and it was a lot easier to follow each of the four plots this time. I would say I have softened on it slightly, there are certainly some parts I liked, but overall I still feel its importance is wildly overstated and much of it is bad or dull.

Ancient Babylon - this was by far the strongest section, in fact if this were the film I'd probably be singing its praises. The cinematography, the set design, the sheer scale of the thing are incredibly striking and impressive. Constance Talmadge puts in a brilliant performance too. But what is the story? under the spectacle it's a load of nothing, just a few bible verses padded out.

Jesus - this story is barely there, less than ten minutes of screen time, but still manages to be heavy-handed incoherent antisemitic guff.

St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre - Presumably here as a concrete example of intolerance? But what do we have, an evil woman plans a massacre, the massacre takes place, that's pretty much it, not even interestingly staged, though the killings are surprisingly graphic.

Modern day - This is the core of the film really, everything else is presumably here to illustrate it. There is some good cinematography here, some shots are stunning, some editing is fairly good, the chase scene with the car and the train is great (but very much bolted on to the story without any justification) But also what the fuck is any of this? A factory owner massacres his workers for striking, a man is unjustly convicted of murder, but somehow this is not the focus. Instead the moral is that social services and welfare charities are the greatest evil of our times because they take money from honest capitalists and are also ugly jealous old women who take babies away? I mean, what exactly the fuck is that? That's your takeaway, DWG?

Also there is a good deal of poor editing and direction in this section, I know it's 1916 but if we are crediting DWG with innovations then I have to say his tricks are not original and others have done better.

Overall I also feel like such a long film covering four separate time periods should have a central story or concept uniting the threads, but it's completely missing. I can understand how the French story is about intolerance, but the other three have nothing to do with it by any sane definition. So I'm left trying to imagine what DWG's point is beyond "baddies do bad stuff" and I can't see what it is at all. "The baddies should tolerate the goodies and then get out of their way, the goodies are under no obligation to tolerate the baddies"? I feel stupid even trying to figure it out, it's just his feeling that he has a right to his prejudices and nobody should dare challenge him, presented with a massive budget over several hours.

The cases I see for why this film is important are innovation and influence, I would question the first of these as above, the second I'm not sure where to go with - yes there later were some epic dramas which attempted a similar scale. Would they have existed without Intolerance? No idea, it seems perfectly possible, but could concede that - and then what? Why does that make this worth watching?

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 13:31 (one year ago) link

ugly jealous old women who take babies away?

a menace of our times imo

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 April 2023 13:33 (one year ago) link

fwiw there is absolutely a terrible history of govt social services being paternalistic-to-outright-hateful to the working class in general and marginalised groups within it in particular, and adoption in particular is a huge can of worms within that context. griffith def not the guy to tackle that tho.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 14:44 (one year ago) link

I mean he specifically says they are motivated by being too old & unattractive to attract men any more, right at the start of the film.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 14:52 (one year ago) link

Those old caption writers sure did go hard back in the day

fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Tuesday, 11 April 2023 14:59 (one year ago) link

Anita Loos wrote the intertitles, so god only knows what DWG would have put there if unfiltered.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 15:14 (one year ago) link

All else aside, I appreciate you giving it a fresh shot, caal

fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Tuesday, 11 April 2023 15:34 (one year ago) link

no worries, I need something to do while my wife sticks needles in me every weekend.

anyone else have a few hours to spare to see if you agree? fine if not.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 17:46 (one year ago) link

It was good of you to take one for the team.

Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Tuesday, 11 April 2023 18:23 (one year ago) link

One Way or Another (Gomez, 1974)

This is simply excellent, it's in the top 250 of the S&S poll and a great example of how the poll has improved and isn't shit anymore as you get to see this strange documentary/normie narrative/agitprop hybrid from Cuba.

I think it's still on MUBI UK for a little while.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 14 April 2023 15:45 (one year ago) link

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The Outlaw and His Wife, Victor Sjöström, 1918

Morbsies #1133

Youtube link

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 17 April 2023 18:11 (one year ago) link

That's a good one!

The Titus Andromedon Strain (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 17 April 2023 18:24 (one year ago) link

Sjöström! I've only watched The Wind.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 April 2023 18:53 (one year ago) link

I've just got about half an hour left of this one, should have some thoughts tomorrow.

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 17 April 2023 20:59 (one year ago) link

For UK readers, this is on Netflix, as part of that weird deal between Netflix and the Swedish Cinematheque.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 17 April 2023 21:18 (one year ago) link

does the one on Netflix have a soundtrack? the criterion dvd rips on YouTube are completely silent, this is the only one with sound and it seems to have been tacked on

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 17 April 2023 21:33 (one year ago) link

No soundtrack, no. Nice looking copy tho.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 17 April 2023 21:38 (one year ago) link

Some good tunes on that YouTube one tho

nxd, Tuesday, 18 April 2023 17:06 (one year ago) link

For UK readers, this is on Netflix, as part of that weird deal between Netflix and the Swedish Cinematheque.

― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 17 April 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Good stuff lol, always wanted to check Sjostrom..

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 18 April 2023 19:51 (one year ago) link

Well that was relentlessly grim.

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 19 April 2023 18:43 (one year ago) link

I mean, it was still good. I think. but really not what I needed to see when I'm worrying about how to support my family over the next year, that's for sure.

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 19 April 2023 18:47 (one year ago) link

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One Week, Buster Keaton & Edward F. Cline, 1920

Morbsies #947

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 07:11 (eleven months ago) link

I went through the Keaton shorts a while ago and this was really a big jump in quality when you watch 'em chronologically, one of his best imo.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 08:53 (eleven months ago) link

Here's the youtube link

Yeah, a very enjoyable 25 minutes, every joke felt extremely well-crafted. Not really as ambitious as his longer films, obviously, but for what it is, it couldn't be much better.

the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 08:59 (eleven months ago) link


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