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Ozzmosis is a fun album with agreeably melodic songs, hilarious production choices and the most undead vocal performances of his career. Everything corny about it just underscores the creepiness of his vocals. If this is Ozzy's worst album I don't think he's made any bad albums.

I do really really like that album, more than a few stones classics.. “citadel” and “light years” are both magic.

it's not the best but I really love it, my pet crackpot take being that "2000 Light Years from Home" feels like the first krautrock song

t's not the best but I really love it, my pet crackpot take being that "2000 Light Years from Home" feels like the first krautrock song

It does sound like a hairy ancestor of a Can track on Future Days.

Nothing controversial here until you start defending the jams on "Sing This All Together" and "Gomper".

i agree about SMJ— also the only Stones record I have a first vinyl pressing of, a gift from a friend

xpost thx brimstead!

np

the circle and the herd are both better than the first three wipers albums

dance yrself clean's wordless vocal line in the intro in the beginning sounds a lot like this chorus (around 1:18):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAwkmBrWbGE

that's a great tune!

here's his supervillain origin story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYCz06bS380

kinda seems like a nice guy who'd be a valuable poster

I don't always sleep unshavenly in a dress shirt

But when I do I aspire to sleep in a dress shirt with the same unshaven aplomb as James Murphy of LCD Soundsystem

xpost to "Use other words please." maybe?

cheesy, corny, sappy

^^^can be complimentary and should be used in such a way more frequently; if not at least in a more "neutral description" sort of way. reclaim these the same way as "dated." because for some listeners, they are not negative qualities. i like a dumb gimmick and a big crescendo. that stuff sells the song sometimes and seals the deal for me. sure some people go too far and become afroman, but with the right amount you're basically bowie or prince.

(and let's not forget all those corny personas stevie wonder would conjure. has that ever been properly addressed? what were those songs about anyhow?)

I'd say this topic needs its own thread and would be surprised if it doesn't already have at least one.

"corny"

I hate the adjective "Corny".

Cheesy

gr8 post from Tom Ewing in that last one re: Emotionally Maniupulative vs. Intellectually Manipulative

"real good, real nice"

Most music on the broader pop spectrum takes a stance on this unavoidably and usually shows some process of deliberation on this question, I think.

Not just pop but i mean this isn't something e.g. carnatic music has to address.

Fela sounds better without sax solos

I don't know that that's so controversial, I don't think many people rate Fela's sax playing!

does he have a lot of tracks where he doesn't play sax? (I assume so, but I also just imagined that he did a little sax solo on each one)

I prefer his keyboard playing, but have never really had any issue with his sax honking.

I can't think of many where he doesn't play sax at some point. He isn't very good but I'm not that bothered about that.

Sun Ra's discovery of the synthesizer, though responsible for producing some sublime music, was ultimately a net loss for the discography

fela’s opening solo on “gentleman” is pretty badass imo

i'm accepting i'm really uncertified for my controversial opinion. opinion rescinded. going back to just listening and enjoying.

the other horns on fela tracks are sublime enough for me not to notice the subpar sax

(i do agree the horn sections generally are awesome to my ears all the way)

I love "corny", the word that is, and people using it when it's required, I don't like things that are corny.

"Cheesy" and "sappy" can kick rocks

Have to agree

the other horns on fela tracks are sublime enough for me not to notice the subpar sax

the other horns on fela tracks are sublime enough for me not to notice the subpar sax

Mmmm, the horn parts themselves are iconic and oft-imitated, but the trumpets are often pretty weak, you don't really want to hear any of them solo for too long.

right but solo isn't what the horns do -- imo the horns punctuate rather than take center stage. i like it!

Are we talking technical proficiency ? The horns are maybe not essential to the funk groove but they bring energy and personality and are integral to the melodic themes. Colonial mentality, Expensive Shit, Water no Get Enemy, Go Slow, Trouble Sleep Yanga Wake Am, Why Black Man Dey Suffer, Alu Jon Jonki Jon ... all the most glorious Kuti songs have soaring sax / horns lines. They don't have a clean sound like James Brown, but that's also part of Fela's live feel.

sorry to interrupt this with a total random thing—

—i don't have any thoughts because i always figured horns were such an integral part of fela's sound and he was the band leader and a better sax player than at least half the audience, so why the hell not just ride the groove a bit? i like neil young riffing on the theme for "cortez the killer" so fela honkin along to "water no get enemy" isn't much of a stretch—

—and now, to my very unrelated point:

jamiriquai : r+b :: the eagles : classic rock

and to quote a very cliched thing, i fucken hate the eagles, man.

"Hey Ya!" is godawful. Maybe one of the most obnoxious singles ever released.

https://i.imgur.com/OmS0cnQ.png

john zorn's presence in music has been a net loss overall.

(i just want the yuka honda tzadik albums on streaming pls, fuck everything else on that label)

actually nvm, john zorn is god and i'm clearly wrong. oh well.

at least my record label didn't ever exit and therefore didn't add to the trash pile.

exit=exist

john zorn's presence in music has been a net loss overall.

You're thinking of Mike Patton.

Lol frogbs

zorn / patton energy has aged appallingly imo

xp me too re cartoon gets right to it rly

right but solo isn't what the horns do -- imo the horns punctuate rather than take center stage. i like it!

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, March 27, 2023 5:56 PM (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Are we talking technical proficiency ? The horns are maybe not essential to the funk groove but they bring energy and personality and are integral to the melodic themes. Colonial mentality, Expensive Shit, Water no Get Enemy, Go Slow, Trouble Sleep Yanga Wake Am, Why Black Man Dey Suffer, Alu Jon Jonki Jon ... all the most glorious Kuti songs have soaring sax / horns lines. They don't have a clean sound like James Brown, but that's also part of Fela's live feel.

― Nabozo, Tuesday, March 28, 2023 1:35 AM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

True the sum of the parts is way more important than individual virtuosity in Fela's music, with the except of Tony Allen probably. The horn writing is perfect and no one needs to be an amazing soloist, similar to James Brown. All the same there are lots of wide open sections given to solos, aside from the written and vocal sections, and those are maybe not the strongest parts.

On paper it should be extremely my thing and I like him fine in other contexts but I have never enjoyed a single album Wadada Leo Smith has made as a leader. This post inspired by two different jazz friends haranguing me this week to listen to the recent thing with Nels Cline, which on admittedly distracted first listen just sounds to me like very capable electric Miles cosplay. I'm open to recommendations and not giving up yet, but I've probably listened to a dozen of his records and none of them ever stick

You're thinking of Mike Patton.

― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, March 31, 2023 9:46 AM

tbf, they're buddies so (eyeroll+toss of the hand)

but yeah, he's essentially also an enemy of music. like if life really was just a big metaphorical chess match, people like john zorn and mike patton are playing as knights deep in opposition turf.

stating of bias: worked with a bunch of zorn/butthole surfers/patton obssessives and they ruined that stuff forever in my ears. gen-xers and their fascination with the dirty armpit of music, amirite?

I'd argue that Zorn has many, many recordings that don't indulge in the kinds of antics to which you object.

bar kokhba? or the gift? or any of the delightful film works entries?

i'd trade the existence of them (and any knowledge thereof, along with literally everything else on the label) for the two yuka honda albums. that's it.

don't mean to be a jerk about it, but that's a huge dud from me.

also i'm wrong: there was a third yuka album on tzadik. it was several years after her previous one, so i missed it. GOSH WISH I COULD HEAR IT.

Zorn's own music and concepts annoy me in some nameless way (I rolled my eyes so hard they nearly fell out of my head when I read that he makes his Hermetic Organ albums "in a trance") but he attains god-tier staus fpr the Tzadik label alone which has so much great non-Zorn stuff on it.