2023 nba draft thread: starring victor, scoot... and more!

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it is hard to argue w/ that point...

J0rdan S., Thursday, 16 March 2023 16:17 (one year ago) link

or peltons stats are or both

The top player in Kevin Pelton's statistical projections for this year's draft is UConn's backup center who won't even be in the draft.

College basketball is a ridiculous enterprise.

— Robert Williams 🩹🩹🩹 Truther (@dangercart) March 16, 2023

lag∞n, Thursday, 16 March 2023 17:06 (one year ago) link

pelton uses a blend of his projections w/ the givony espn draft rankings to prevent thing like above ^^ i don't have insider but he said on windhorst's pod that his top 3 are 1. victor 2. miller 3. scoot ... so the same as everyone else's

J0rdan S., Thursday, 16 March 2023 17:11 (one year ago) link

cowardly, he shd stand by his stats

lag∞n, Thursday, 16 March 2023 17:12 (one year ago) link

Considering how the NBA is fast-tracking Ja's apology tour, I'm sure that a team would be willing to spend a high lottery pick on Miller and then do what they can to shield him from legal repercussions.

Shartreuse (Leee), Thursday, 16 March 2023 19:47 (one year ago) link

this is so much worse than the ja sitch tho there was a murder

lag∞n, Thursday, 16 March 2023 20:05 (one year ago) link

I mean even by big time college sports' amoral and demented standards the way this has been handled is crazy

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 March 2023 20:06 (one year ago) link

a lot of it will prob come down to how much teams think he was really involved in it and whether thats reflective of his typical behavior or he just got swept up in a bad situation, the pat down dance was really bad if youre looking for some sort of barometer, if he ends up in legal jeopardy thats obvs very bad and maybe he doesnt get drafted at all

lag∞n, Thursday, 16 March 2023 20:09 (one year ago) link

i think it's worth reading the big espn story on the incident. first off there's multiple instances where the police/prosecutors and defense disagree on what happened (most pertinently which side fired the first shot) & i think we won't have a set of established facts until the trial. maybe i'm a sucker but i read this and feel like miller prob thought he was bringing the gun for his friend's self-protection. which i don't think is a horrible awful outlier decision for someone to make. stupid and dangerous yes, obviously, but not egregious. it seems crazy to me that the other player from bama (darius miles) was charged w/ murder... miles' friend (the shooter) seems like the real bad guy who instigated all of this, to me

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35777040/how-former-alabama-basketball-player-friend-ended-charged-death-jamea-harris

J0rdan S., Thursday, 16 March 2023 20:32 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

guy who can teleport is prob a pretty safe #1

Putback dunk off his own stepback 3 🤯 https://t.co/ARkuLYGsAI pic.twitter.com/fXgjzrIAmO

— NBA (@NBA) April 2, 2023

lag∞n, Sunday, 2 April 2023 18:02 (one year ago) link

his game is unarguable. (but he maybe shouldn't be so much of a dribbler when he goes to the nba)

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 2 April 2023 18:13 (one year ago) link

why even do all those moves when you can just shoot over everyone

lag∞n, Sunday, 2 April 2023 18:27 (one year ago) link

I feel fairly confident in saying that missing a step back 3 —> putback dunk is something that has never happened in the history of basketball

k3vin k., Sunday, 2 April 2023 23:14 (one year ago) link

in the wide view of the play it even looks pretty normal, but its not lol

lag∞n, Monday, 3 April 2023 00:11 (one year ago) link

yeah you need the angle that follows the ball, where wemby coming back in the frame like that just does not compute, in order to appreciate how insane it is

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, 3 April 2023 01:17 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

dink pate

NEWS: Dink Pate, a five-star recruit in 2024, has signed a two-year deal with G League Ignite, he told ESPN. Pate, who is graduating high school at 17, becomes the youngest-known American professional basketball player ever.

STORY: https://t.co/rSVQ8IJpKC pic.twitter.com/6tXyZBonvZ

— Jonathan Givony (@DraftExpress) April 17, 2023

lag∞n, Monday, 17 April 2023 21:59 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

tough draw for wiz

Here's how the Wembanyama odds shifted from each lottery ball reveal (14-5-8-2) in the drawing room

(re-posting b/c of Excel formatting hating percentages) pic.twitter.com/kFqa69i3eN

— Ryan Bernardoni (@dangercart) May 17, 2023

lag∞n, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:30 (one year ago) link

wow! lmao

man him going to washington would've been really bad

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:35 (one year ago) link

so if i'm reading this right, not only did the spurs win the lottery but by the end of the draw they won the lottery despite having an equal chance as 4 other teams all of which were behind a fifth team that had a 54% chance? crazy

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:38 (one year ago) link

Wemby was happy Houston didn’t get the 1st pick 😅 pic.twitter.com/PhF1xyckSd

— NBACentral (@TheNBACentral) May 17, 2023



lol

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:39 (one year ago) link

their chances got worse along the way but then they pulled it out in the end, clutch draw by the spurs

lag∞n, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:40 (one year ago) link

haa wemby knows whats up

lag∞n, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 15:40 (one year ago) link

that ol popovich magic

omar little, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 16:29 (one year ago) link

oh yes forgot the Bulls don't have a pick now, thanks to the Lonzo stuff.

omar little, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 16:41 (one year ago) link

Does Pops have enough juice to get the Spurs back to the top? He hasn't coached a good team in a few years now. Obviously he's a tremendous dude and has a great track record but he's no spring chicken.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 17 May 2023 21:55 (one year ago) link

i wonder the same thing

Spottie, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 21:59 (one year ago) link

is there a particular assistant there whos well suited to be his successor?

ciderpress, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 23:11 (one year ago) link

brett brown haha

lag∞n, Wednesday, 17 May 2023 23:46 (one year ago) link

chase buford

micah, Thursday, 18 May 2023 00:48 (one year ago) link

pop has definitely mellowed out in recent years...he had said he was going to retire when tim did, but the title window was still open with kawhi and he had made commitments to lamarcus to get him to come to sa. when his wife passed, i think retirement would've taken away a sense of purpose. plus i think he's just in love with hoops. he can't quit it. he'll die cussing out a ref.

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Thursday, 18 May 2023 00:57 (one year ago) link

I would say Becky Hammon but https://www.cbc.ca/sports/basketball/becky-hammon-suspension-wnba-aces-1.6845099

symsymsym, Thursday, 18 May 2023 01:36 (one year ago) link

jfc becky

lag∞n, Thursday, 18 May 2023 01:37 (one year ago) link

it isn't great

symsymsym, Thursday, 18 May 2023 01:38 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

tomorrow night we flood this thread with Content

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 16:25 (one year ago) link

i want for the record to say that kobe bufkin will be a solid nba pro

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 16:26 (one year ago) link

yeah i would love for us to use this thread tomorrow just so we can take a look back down the road :)

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 21 June 2023 16:29 (one year ago) link

haa

Hornets GM Mitch Kupchak said today at a pre-draft press conference that final say on who Charlotte selects at No. 2 on Thursday night -- Brandon Miller or Scoot Henderson -- will belong to outgoing owner Michael Jordan.

More NBA from me: https://t.co/A6ycVmnrjq

— Marc Stein (@TheSteinLine) June 21, 2023

lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 16:39 (one year ago) link

hmm

ciderpress, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 16:40 (one year ago) link

getting one last kick in on his way out the door

lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 16:41 (one year ago) link

thx for the video, seems like the comps are pretty obvious -- rose, wall, westbrook, ja etc. he looks like he'll be fun to watch. being undersized and not really shooting or playing defense is a bit of a red flag for me, though of course he could get better, by all accounts he seems to be a hard worker. I'm not saying it would be wrong to take a guy like that second, when it comes down to it the draft is really just a crapshoot, but to me that's not the type of player that you're seeing on a lot of championship contending teams

― k3vin k., Wednesday, June 21, 2023 12:42 PM (three minutes ago

posting this here so i can be dunked on in the future

k3vin k., Wednesday, 21 June 2023 16:46 (one year ago) link

i want for the record to say that kobe bufkin will be a solid nba pro

― slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Wednesday, June 21, 2023 11:26 AM (thirty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i'm glad that he and jett howard have basically switched draft stocks this offseason because kobe did all the little things right, while jett completely lost focus whenever the ball wasn't in his hands. pretty astounding how terrible of a rebounder he was, and he was somehow even worse of an off-ball defender. his jumpshot is silky tho

bufkin was a great engine of offense on a ramshackle team, lots of crafty moves to get to the basket and great court vision. he's not unathletic, but that's not really his game. he's smart, and has been one of the best players in his age group (he was a sophomore, but is younger than many of the one-and-done freshmen), with lots of room to develop.

ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 17:09 (one year ago) link

kobe bufkin sounds like a tim robinson character name

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 17:12 (one year ago) link

guys i like as a watcher of college ball:
- kobe bufkin - explained above
- jarace walker - incredibly strong, great on defense, powerful on offense. better footwork and handles than you might expect.
- jalen hood schifino - great size for pg position, really good at everything but inconsistent at scoring efficiently. when his shot falls, he is a force.
- jordan hawkins - best shooter in the college game, doesn't need much room. not amazing at much else, but his shooting is good enough to play anywhere.
- trayce jackson-davis - a tweener, played center in college, where he's too small in the nba, but an underrated athlete with a deep bag of offensive moves.
- jaime jaquez - hard to believe he won't grab a bench role somewhere, great rebounder and defender

ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 17:21 (one year ago) link

kobe bufkin sounds like a tim robinson character name

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, June 21, 2023 12:12 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

little buf boy

ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 17:24 (one year ago) link

seems like the comps are pretty obvious -- rose, wall, westbrook, ja etc. he looks like he'll be fun to watch. being undersized and not really shooting or playing defense is a bit of a red flag for me, though of course he could get better, by all accounts he seems to be a hard worker. I'm not saying it would be wrong to take a guy like that second, when it comes down to it the draft is really just a crapshoot, but to me that's not the type of player that you're seeing on a lot of championship contending teams

― k3vin k., Wednesday, June 21, 2023 12:42 PM (three minutes ago

between his athleticism, build & wingspan it seems like he has the tools to be a good defender at the position. but unless you're either a jrue holiday type defender or a trae young type defender, your defense at PG prob isn't that important at the end of the day. it seems like a lot of it will come down to the shooting development

i think you can look at the very recent history of champions and say that a key component to winning is having a grossly overpaid 3 and D wing who hasn't lived up to his pre-draft hype on your team... but it's hard to reverse engineer the situation in that way. when rose, westbrook & to a lesser extent wall were healthy in their primes they were mvp, all nba level players on teams that were right in the thick of the top 4 seeds in their conferences. off the court stuff on ja aside he's another guy at that same level.

the scoot/miller situation feels kinda like fultz/tatum in terms of the positional value argument except maybe w/ the talent flip flopped. but maybe it will end up being the same thing all over again

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 21 June 2023 17:40 (one year ago) link

Dink Pate can't be real

Heez, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 17:43 (one year ago) link

ive said it elsewhere, but i do not buy brandon miller as a #1 scoring option or paul george type. im not saying he'll bust or anything, but a guy who cant finish at the rim at his size is going to have trouble doing much anything besides camping out on the perimeter of teams scheme against him.

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 18:13 (one year ago) link

when rose, westbrook & to a lesser extent wall were healthy in their primes they were mvp, all nba level players on teams that were right in the thick of the top 4 seeds in their conferences. off the court stuff on ja aside he's another guy at that same level.

this is true, but to me, this is the model for the most overrated type of player of the past 10 years or so. rose and westbrook were probably the 2 worst MVPs of the past 20 years. ja’s reputation has outpaced his actual production too imo. wall…we’ve disagreed on him in the past too but ultimately injuries derailed his career. my sense, and this could just be my bias, is that these are floor raisers but not necessarily ceiling raisers, and players who are at risk of having shorter production windows. these are the types of guys you’re ultimately going to offer the supermax, but are you super thrilled about that?

k3vin k., Wednesday, 21 June 2023 22:01 (one year ago) link

you def need another star to balance a strong scoring pg in this mode, true. longevity thing is a question too, but not as big a concern when theyre 19, more a concern for if theyre getting supermaxed

slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 22:16 (one year ago) link

all those things might be true but ultimately the question is is there anyone else you like more

lag∞n, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 22:20 (one year ago) link

apparently he had a 27 inch vertical at 179 pounds at the combine

J0rdan S., Friday, 23 June 2023 04:56 (one year ago) link

My favorite part of going to the NBA Draft last week was when they showed all of Gradey Dick’s pets on the Jumbotron for some reason. pic.twitter.com/OGQ5LKAz3c

— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) June 27, 2023

lag∞n, Tuesday, 27 June 2023 16:11 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

I havent caught a ton of raptors minutes this year, but I’m taking a look at gradey dick’s stat line…

truly humbled underdog (k3vin k.), Saturday, 2 December 2023 02:50 (seven months ago) link

not greaty

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 December 2023 02:54 (seven months ago) link

seems bad that the guy who was brought in to become a shooter is putting up 27/24/100 splits

polyamerie "it's more than this 1 thing" (m bison), Saturday, 2 December 2023 02:58 (seven months ago) link

apparently he’s kinda been a mess in the g league too. might not have the athleticism

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 2 December 2023 04:08 (seven months ago) link


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