Still haven't seen La Maman et la Putain or The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, but Wild Strawberries, Come and See, Vagabond, Goodbye Dragon Inn and The Conformist are among my favorite films of all time
The Wizard of Oz, Rio Bravo, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The Thing, Nashville, A Woman Under the Influence - those films are also all iconic
voting for Wild Strawberries, my favorite of Bergman and one of his most optimistic films
― Dan S, Wednesday, 15 March 2023 01:47 (one year ago) link
I like a lot of these, love some of them, but didn't have to think before voting Goodbye Dragon Inn. (I mean, I was literally just talking about it with my wife, who hasn't seen it — we were talking about signing up for Metrograph just to watch it.)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 02:02 (one year ago) link
Regarding Goodbye, Dragon Inn, I watched it by myself, and a friend joined me toward the end. He was totally nonplussed, which kind of confirmed its greatness to me.
It could be the definition of slow cinema. You have to lose yourself by existing in the moment in a haunted theater about to close, in a rainstorm, which is showing a movie from the past where nothing really happens
...with all of the intimations of history, details of the lives of workers, explorations of the boundaries of sexual expression, and nostalgia for lost cinema that accompany it.
So many of the good theaters have closed recently in SF and Berkeley, so this film has extra resonance
― Dan S, Wednesday, 15 March 2023 02:53 (one year ago) link
Vagabond is my fave Varda but I have to vote for Come and See or Wild Strawberries but loads of good films in this section.
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 09:10 (one year ago) link
my fave cassavetes is here too
do I really need to watch Come and See?
https://i.imgur.com/yJFhoEQ.gif
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 09:14 (one year ago) link
The Conformist still amazes me.
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 09:17 (one year ago) link
The Godfather Part II (Francis Ford Coppola, 1974)Jaws (Steven Spielberg, 1975)
TOO LOW
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 15 March 2023 09:20 (one year ago) link
A couple of weeks ago I convinced some random person on twitter to spend Saturday night alone in their place to watch Come and See. A really great film.
Not seen:
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (John Ford, 1962)To Be or Not to Be (Ernst Lubitsch, 1942)The Thing (John Carpenter, 1982)
Voting for Eustache. I think when the this is widely available it will be in it's rightful place in 2032 and hopefully knock off bilge that's currently in the top 20.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 15 March 2023 09:26 (one year ago) link
I watched The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance not long ago and was not amused.
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 09:44 (one year ago) link
"So they call me Concentration Camp Ehrhardt!"
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 09:45 (one year ago) link
lol all the old Hollywood heavy hitters are here: Rio Bravo, Bringing Up Baby, Liberty Vallance, Touch Of Evil, Wizard Of Oz.
Saw La Maman Et La Putain at Cine Lumiere some time ago. It's good, not really top20 material (and the top20 doesn't need any more white male boomers anyway), but def worth it for Jean Pierre Léaud's fits if nothing else.
Vagabond is really a remarkable film and I think prob Varda's "best" in many ways but also so unlike the rest of her world that I'd hate it to be anyone's introduction.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 15 March 2023 09:56 (one year ago) link
It was my introduction! It worked fine. But then my favorite Varda is Le Bonheur.
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 10:10 (one year ago) link
"(and the top20 doesn't need any more white male boomers anyway)"
Two of the main characters are women...and I'd rather have Leaud than Brando xp
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 15 March 2023 10:11 (one year ago) link
I Saw La Maman Et La Putain on a dodgy dvdr a few years ago when I first got into film. I need to see it again.
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 10:37 (one year ago) link
It's obviously Goodbye, Dragon Inn for me, but Texas Chain Saw and Nashville are both also top-10-consideration great:
Also very very great:
The House Is Black (Forough Forkhzad, 1962)The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (John Ford, 1962)Touch of Evil (Orson Welles, 1958)Don’t Look Now (Nicolas Roeg, 1973)
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 12:47 (one year ago) link
So much good stuff on this list
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 13:15 (one year ago) link
texas chainsaw
if you haven’t seen a theatrical screening of it, you haven’t seen it, you feel like a small speck in someone’s panicked eyeball
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 13:52 (one year ago) link
I Saw La Maman Et La Putain on a dodgy dvdr a few years ago when I first got into film. I need to see it again.― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Wednesday, March 15, 2023 6:37 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Wednesday, March 15, 2023 6:37 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Hoping that Janus/Criterion make this and Eustache's other films more available in R1.
This is a tough for list for me; I finally went with THIB because of the virtues of brevity.
― Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 14:10 (one year ago) link
Going to give myself a few days to think about it before I vote, but it'll probably be Come and See.
― The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 14:13 (one year ago) link
Come and See -- now that's a war film.
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 14:15 (one year ago) link
the longer poll duration (3ish weeks now) means i'll have time to work up the courage to watch it.
― ryan, Wednesday, 15 March 2023 14:37 (one year ago) link
this is a horror-rich part of the list...very tempted by The Thing or Jaws...though I'm gonna rewatch Dragon Inn.
― ryan, Wednesday, 15 March 2023 14:43 (one year ago) link
Come and See is hard to take, but there's a point to sitting through it.― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, January 24, 2021 5:54 AM (two years ago) bookmarkflaglinkCan you share the point in a sentence or two, bearing in mind that I already know that war is bad and that people will often mistreat each other given the opportunity?― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, February 3, 2021 7:16 PM (two years ago) bookmarkflaglinkunperson, the "point" of Come and See is that even through all the atrocities the main character encounters, there's a scene near the end showing his ability to retain his sense of compassion and mercy. But I wouldn't tell anyone "you must sit through" any film, and this one is certainly tougher than most.― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, February 4, 2021 2:28 AM (two years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, January 24, 2021 5:54 AM (two years ago) bookmarkflaglink
Can you share the point in a sentence or two, bearing in mind that I already know that war is bad and that people will often mistreat each other given the opportunity?
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, February 3, 2021 7:16 PM (two years ago) bookmarkflaglink
unperson, the "point" of Come and See is that even through all the atrocities the main character encounters, there's a scene near the end showing his ability to retain his sense of compassion and mercy. But I wouldn't tell anyone "you must sit through" any film, and this one is certainly tougher than most.
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, February 4, 2021 2:28 AM (two years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 15 March 2023 14:50 (one year ago) link
I'll continue with my totally uncool trend of voting for classic Hollywood stuff and go with The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence over Touch of Evil.
― niall horanburger (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 16:04 (one year ago) link
evidently I missed something in Liberty Valence. Visually rich, elegiac, etc. But I've seen Wayne and Stewart in less musty Westerns and wearing better hairpieces. Lee Marvin was cool, though.
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 16:08 (one year ago) link
I should also add that though I haven't seen Come and See, The House Is Black, or La Maman et la Putain, I basically like or at the very least appreciate everything else on this list. Just as a standalone selection of films, this is a good list.
― niall horanburger (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 16:09 (one year ago) link
Liberty Valence is the classic Western that I would recommend to people who have never seen one and don't think they'd be into them. I don't find it musty at all (no comment on the hair).
― niall horanburger (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 16:10 (one year ago) link
I'm not as high on Bringing Up Baby as everyone else, but, yeah, it belongs.
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 16:10 (one year ago) link
iberty Valence is the classic Western that I would recommend to people who have never seen one
ha, see, I've recommended a couple of Stewart's Anthony Mann pictures, My Darling Clementine, and Fort Apache.
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 16:11 (one year ago) link
this is a horror-rich part of the list
Yep, but TCM >>> Don't Look Now >>>>> The Thing >>>>>>>>>>>> Jaws
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 16:39 (one year ago) link
I guess many would categorize Come and See as horror too but meh
Alfred, aside from the elegiac and visually gorgeous aspect, I think Liberty Vallance attracts people because it's such a clear thesis film - "our myths are bullshit but without them there is only barbarity". I don't agree with the stance at all but it's refreshing to see it laid out like that.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 15 March 2023 16:40 (one year ago) link
Refresh my memory, Alfred, outside of My Darling Clementine (and maybe Stagecoach?) are you into many Fords?
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 16:42 (one year ago) link
That scene with Woody Strode is very bad I'll admit.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 15 March 2023 16:47 (one year ago) link
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.)
Oh yeah!
1. My Darling Clementine2. Young Mr. Lincoln3. Rio Grande4. She Wore a Yellow Ribbon5. Stagecoach6. How Green Was My Valley7. The Prisoner of Shark Island8. The Grapes of Wrath9. The Long Voyage Home10. The Searchers11. Cheyenne Autumn12. Two Rode Together
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 16:51 (one year ago) link
this is a horror-rich part of the list...
Margaret Hamilton in Oz scared the crap out of me as a kid
― jmm, Wednesday, 15 March 2023 16:55 (one year ago) link
xp see I must've misremembered because I thought you more or less hated The Searchers
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 17:01 (one year ago) link
i'm so basic but i can't deny that wizard of oz is one of my very favorite films. time spent watching it flies by, it's like a magic trick
― it's a new day in the international landscape (z_tbd), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 17:04 (one year ago) link
i love liberty valence but it seems very specifically pointless to recommend to someone who hasn't seen any westerns
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 15 March 2023 17:05 (one year ago) link
3. Rio Grande
find this the weakest of the cavalry trilogy by such a distance that anytime anyone praises it i can't shake the suspicion they're thinking of rio bravo
yellow ribbon + voyage home are faves
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 15 March 2023 17:13 (one year ago) link
lol I don't hate The Searchers, but I do hate Natalie Wood's makeup in it.
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 17:13 (one year ago) link
The Prisoner of Shark Island is a real fun movie you can kick it with on a Saturday afternoon.
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 17:14 (one year ago) link
There are five of these I haven't seen; the further we get from the top of the list, the less pull the canon has on my viewing habits.
I pretty much hated A Woman Under the Influence for being an acting exercise with pretentions to making a serious statement, and disliked Don’t Look Now for wallowing in negativity (without the invention and energy ofTexas Chainsaw Massacre).
I'll vote Il Conformista over Nashville.
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 15 March 2023 19:58 (one year ago) link
I can see hating A Woman Under the Influence. Most Cassavetes films are so stagy that I think you have to be a theater person to appreciate them.
― Dan S, Wednesday, 15 March 2023 23:14 (one year ago) link
Ha, otm.
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 15 March 2023 23:30 (one year ago) link
I really liked Opening Night for its protagonist Gena Rowlands worrying about her advancing age and possible replacement. She has an experience with a fan that turns tragic, and in her subsequent drunkenness she barely makes it to the stage for an opening night performance.
She then improvises wildly and forces her co-star Cassavetes to improvise. It is absurdly theatrical and seems like a parody of stage acting, but is also pretty great
― Dan S, Thursday, 16 March 2023 00:00 (one year ago) link
Wild Strawberries is about how relationships define your life, no matter how fleeting, and how disappointment and loneliness can take it over if you don't give yourself over to other people
― Dan S, Thursday, 16 March 2023 00:27 (one year ago) link
just watched Bringing Up Baby having switched it off after 10 minutes the last time I tried a couple of years ago. didnt enjoy it any more this time but persevered, v much not for me. I was a big fan of His Girl Friday but this was just an icecream headache of a film
― or something, Thursday, 16 March 2023 00:42 (one year ago) link
I will never learn the lesson of Wild Strawberries but I voted for it
― Josefa, Thursday, 16 March 2023 00:48 (one year ago) link
Roeg isn't cold (nor is "cold" a bad thing, esp in a director); his movies just don't hold my attention.
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 11:50 (one year ago) link
"I don't get any human feeling from Don't Look Now other than a clammy nihilism."
A couple go to Venice as an aftermath to their child's death. The 'clinical' shooting of scenes is maybe a balance to this obviously, potentially cheaply, manipulative background.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 12:59 (one year ago) link
it's been a while so i reserve the right to change my mind but DLN is full of the horror of mortality and loss
― satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 13:02 (one year ago) link
That’s what I remember although it’s been a while for me too.
― Bringing Up Initials B.B. (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 13:04 (one year ago) link
I rewatched DLN a few weeks ago and accusing it of lacking human feeling is baffling
― or something, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 13:26 (one year ago) link
There is also a famous scene of married people doing something that I don’t think has been mentioned yet.
― Bringing Up Initials B.B. (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 13:27 (one year ago) link
Yeah, but we're all firmly against being shown sex scenes without our consent now
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 13:32 (one year ago) link
The film is dealing with a heavy subject (and Sutherland does his best), but it's more interested in throwing up chic enigmas than dealing with the emotional ramifications of that subject.
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 15:17 (one year ago) link
TIL the tide has very much turned against Don’t Look Now. How annoying
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 15:29 (one year ago) link
agreed... idk i don't find that movie nihilistic at all
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 15:49 (one year ago) link
I still have a week to watch Come and See...but will I? Stay tuned. Barring that....might be that guy and go for Jaws
― ryan, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 15:57 (one year ago) link
The Man Who Fell to Earth is more legit concerned with chic enigmas, i.e. "How good will David Bowie look shirtless in bed?"
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 16:03 (one year ago) link
but it's more interested in throwing up chic enigmas than dealing with the emotional ramifications of that subject.
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 bookmarkflaglink
Or it's dealing with a highly charged subject in a way you aren't expecting.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 22 March 2023 16:05 (one year ago) link
the chic enigma that is death
― satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 16:37 (one year ago) link
Sounds like the title of one of tyler’s vu boots
― Bringing Up Initials B.B. (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 22 March 2023 16:38 (one year ago) link
I can't get this phrase out of my head
Austin Film Society is running Don't Look Now this week...never been a huge fan of it but trying to decide if I should give it a re-view or not..sometimes actually seeing something in a theater totally changes how I feel about it.
― ryan, Monday, 27 March 2023 14:47 (one year ago) link
Go!
― It’s Only Her Factory, Girl! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 March 2023 15:43 (one year ago) link
What theater do they do screenings in?
― It’s Only Her Factory, Girl! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 March 2023 15:44 (one year ago) link
a fuzzy grim reaper would fit right in
https://i.discogs.com/ETH6FuoHU8_Eu9eM6rMIuV0dNpZB4MFy0jR_HzDTq98/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:576/w:580/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTQzNzIy/NTctMTM2MzEyMzE3/Ny00MTIzLmpwZWc.jpeg
― ꙮ (map), Monday, 27 March 2023 15:49 (one year ago) link
Lol
― It’s Only Her Factory, Girl! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 March 2023 16:02 (one year ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Monday, 3 April 2023 00:01 (one year ago) link
with this one I can't imagine what the result will be
thank you for doing this Ryan, and please continue
― Dan S, Monday, 3 April 2023 00:21 (one year ago) link
I don’t wanna have to vote
― Little Big Man Yells at Red Cloud (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 3 April 2023 00:57 (one year ago) link
Cross-posted from the John Wayne thread:
Watching Rio Bravo again (fourth time?), I'm struck by John Wayne's beautiful serenity. He's always observing the other characters, as an actor and as Chance. He's relaxed but wary. His best performance.
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 April 2023 00:58 (one year ago) link
Yes.
― Little Big Man Yells at Red Cloud (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 3 April 2023 01:05 (one year ago) link
His relationship with Angie Dickinson as Feathers is kind of charming too, and doesn’t approach the crepeyness of other such parings of aging male stars with younger actresses.
― Little Big Man Yells at Red Cloud (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 3 April 2023 01:08 (one year ago) link
Pairings even
― Little Big Man Yells at Red Cloud (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 3 April 2023 01:10 (one year ago) link
Well, he ceded space to her: it's understood she has her own thing going on, and Chance respects it.
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 April 2023 01:15 (one year ago) link
thank y'all for indulging me! the next round will be delayed a day because i am traveling tomorrow...but i'll get it posted ASAP after this one closes.
― ryan, Monday, 3 April 2023 03:26 (one year ago) link
I can post it tomorrow if you want, so long as I get to accidentally leave off There Will Be Blood.
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Monday, 3 April 2023 14:25 (one year ago) link
hahaha. yes go for it!
― ryan, Monday, 3 April 2023 14:34 (one year ago) link
I saw The Thing last week and almost want to vote for it, but I'm going with Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
― jmm, Monday, 3 April 2023 14:36 (one year ago) link
I guess with this next 20 I'm going to vote for two Bergmans in a row
― Dan S, Monday, 3 April 2023 23:06 (one year ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 00:01 (one year ago) link
good choice
― Dan S, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 00:20 (one year ago) link
Oh snap
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 00:49 (one year ago) link
WOW
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 00:54 (one year ago) link
😎
― ꙮ (map), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 01:02 (one year ago) link
great turnout, every film received a vote. there's your answer if it's worth carrying on, ryan!
voted TCM in the end but happy with that winner
― or something, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 05:53 (one year ago) link
Result!!
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 07:42 (one year ago) link
Lol victory
― satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 08:00 (one year ago) link
As someone who does like The Thing considerably, also happy to see TCM trounce it here
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 12:51 (one year ago) link
Will post 121-140 later this morning
Sight and Sound 2022 Round 6: 121-140
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 16:56 (one year ago) link