US Politics, March 2023: "We want our own safe space, and we deserve it"

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^^As Rupar pointed out, Big Trump Energy in those empty seats.

Such pessimism. Half full!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 3 March 2023 20:03 (one year ago) link

most of her stans are out fighting wokeness, they can't be sitting watching speeches while there are wokesters out woking things up

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 3 March 2023 20:15 (one year ago) link

what's the opposite of woke anyway? Asleeped?

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 3 March 2023 20:18 (one year ago) link

woke up, sheeple.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 3 March 2023 20:18 (one year ago) link

Only a dozen people were there for Haley's CPAC speech but all of them went on to introduce their own anti-trans bill

INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Friday, 3 March 2023 20:19 (one year ago) link

I looove that Grace Jones track!

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 March 2023 20:26 (one year ago) link

Pull Up To The Trumper

Woking in the Rain?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 3 March 2023 20:32 (one year ago) link

Nobody Wokes in LA

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 3 March 2023 20:34 (one year ago) link

President Biden had one cancerous skin lesion removed from his chest on Feb. 16, his longtime doctor Kevin C. O’Connor said in a letter Friday. All cancerous tissue was successfully removed, and no further treatment is needed.

A biopsy confirmed that the small lesion was basal cell carcinoma, O’Connor said. The biopsy was performed on the same day as Biden’s annual physical.

Basal cell carcinoma, O’Connor explained, does not tend to spread or metastasize, as other more serious skin cancers like melanoma do.

Per O’Connor, the area of the biopsy has healed nicely and Biden, 80, will continue under dermatologic surveillance as part of his ongoing health care.

O’Connor noted at the time of Biden’s physical that he had several non-melanoma skin cancers removed before assuming the presidency.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/03/biden-skin-cancer/

z_tbd, Friday, 3 March 2023 20:44 (one year ago) link

So Bolsonaro spoke at CPAC today:

well well look who gets a rock star entrance at CPAC pic.twitter.com/3RMax3sosV

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) March 4, 2023

Wait, what?

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 5 March 2023 01:24 (one year ago) link

(And I realize there’s no shortage of “wait, what?” these days)

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 5 March 2023 01:24 (one year ago) link

CPAC loves any leader who can instigate an insurrection after losing an election.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 5 March 2023 01:31 (one year ago) link

Why do they love bolsonaro, again? Because he opposes socialism and wanted to be a dictator? And he hates everyone who isn’t a straight Christian?

The WSJ cheered his victory when he won in 2018

z_tbd, Sunday, 5 March 2023 01:46 (one year ago) link

i believe you answered your own question

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 5 March 2023 02:27 (one year ago) link

He also wanted to rape the earth so

bolsonaro is strong! bolsonaro is brave and powerful! the people need a king!!

z_tbd, Sunday, 5 March 2023 03:04 (one year ago) link

Trump/Bolsonaro '24

I know there’s a thread for it, but jfc the anti-trans stuff that’s moving through OK and AR right now is so fucked and enraging.

This also happened at CPAC:

“Transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely.”

These words were in a speech by a major right wing figure at a national conservative conference.

It’s a straight up call for genocide. That’s what this fight is about. They want us gone. pic.twitter.com/HHFyjbCejg

— Senator Scott Wiener (@Scott_Wiener) March 4, 2023

The speaker is a Daily Wire Chud named Michael Knowles.

nazi shit getting applause and laughter from a bunch of fucking assholes

z_tbd, Sunday, 5 March 2023 04:06 (one year ago) link

I wish just once one of these bozos would define exactly what they mean by "wokeness." I know the Florida AG's office had to do it court a while back and funny how it didn't actually sound that scary when said out loud.

They never will and they can’t, really. It has to keep this mystified separation because you can’t project all kindsa shit onto it

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Sunday, 5 March 2023 05:17 (one year ago) link

The Twitter responses to Wiener’s tweet are fucking sickening.

I should say that I also hate Scott Wiener, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 5 March 2023 12:52 (one year ago) link

from December:

Taryn Fenske, DeSantis’ Communications Director said “woke” was a “slang term for activism…progressive activism” and a general belief in systemic injustices in the country.

Asked what “woke” means more generally, [Desantis’ General Counsel Ryan] Newman said “it would be the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them.”

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 March 2023 13:04 (one year ago) link

can we please reclaim woke and just be done with this

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 5 March 2023 13:10 (one year ago) link

I was vaguely annoyed by a Chicago Tribune op-ed this week about a new line of Legos that has apparently triggered the right because it includes people with different skin tones and physical abilities.

An excerpt: "It’s a blind spot that lives at the heart of all the panic over woke-ism: the assumption that there’s one default way to be a human. That everything else is a deviation. An exception. An aberration. A statement. Virtue signaling. When of course there are endless ways to be, to live, to look, to love during our time on this Earth. Acknowledging and celebrating that isn’t woke. It’s awake."

And yes, sure, I agree with the general sentiment, but it implicitly accepts the right's coopted definition of "woke" as something to be avoided.

jaymc, Sunday, 5 March 2023 21:02 (one year ago) link

Woke is a dog whistle now, there’s no way it is coming back

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 5 March 2023 21:03 (one year ago) link

It's not as if the word "woke" was ever indispensable. It was never much more than a bit of shorthand jargon among insiders. In a similar way critical race theory was only an insider term among academics before the right wing noise machine grabbed hold of it and made it a convenient whipping post.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 5 March 2023 22:07 (one year ago) link

i'm so fucking sick of hearing the word, it def feels like it's past the point of 'coming back'

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 5 March 2023 23:12 (one year ago) link

i mean just not apologising like damn straight i’m woke af what are you

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 5 March 2023 23:54 (one year ago) link

Post-woke

INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Monday, 6 March 2023 00:11 (one year ago) link

woke vs volk

can it be more ridiculous that the anti-wokers are among the most intentionally ignorant motherfuckers in our political world? if the culture abandons the word, well. otoh if aimless is right and the culture never really made and claimed the word, i guess nhnf.

liberal with a capital LIE (Hunt3r), Monday, 6 March 2023 02:58 (one year ago) link

conservatives get really hung up on words as magic spells that have immutable meanings that transcend time, culture, and language (like how they think of gender!) Basically they’re on the same spectrum as the sovereign citizens who think by uttering gibberish in court that sounds all-legal-like it will get them out of paying child support.

Alicia Silver Stone (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 6 March 2023 03:26 (one year ago) link

“Woke" feels like a rerun of "politically correct" , but with more bile and nastiness behind it; I remember conservatives (and some liberals) decrying “pc” but didn’t sense the same amount of rage behind it. It was more like handwringing or eye-rolling.

blatherskite, Monday, 6 March 2023 14:27 (one year ago) link

PC was code for "These hippie professors are trying to radicalize our kids"
Woke is code for the n word

INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Monday, 6 March 2023 14:33 (one year ago) link

tbf i think "woke" has broadened way beyond that, to become just a new shorthand for "liberals we fight in the culture war." its total vagueness in these right-wing statements and overwhelmed county-council meetings is a reflection of how it's come to cover every grievance the old guard have with every social or political change. it's therefore the perfect foil for conservatism, since the whole ethos is finding all forms of progressive change to be not merely discomforting signs of times changing, but evidence of a sinister plot by insufficiently American Americans to destroy the American Way Of Life. "society is in the gutter and these liberals are actively trying to take it there, with their abortions, their gay people, their pronouns, their political correctness, their hippie professors with stink lines. they want to take away your guns and cigarettes and Big Gulps and SUVs and lawn chemicals and racist monuments, they think America has racism in it, they welcome foreigners, they recycle, they disrespect our beautiful police and our beautiful Christmas".... etc. etc. etc.

got it in the blood, the kid's a pelican (Doctor Casino), Monday, 6 March 2023 16:17 (one year ago) link

PC was code for the n word too. No need to overthink it, woke absolutely is PC mark II, updated for the 2010s and '20s. PC lost whatever meaning and bite it ever had just thru relentless overuse — a fate I think woke is well on its way to as well. But they both always mean the same thing — Why Can't I Just Be a Hateful Bigot Any More?

Yeah, but PC wars was never really about taking rights away from people, or preventing them from being provided. It was mostly a fight over free speech and the like, at least as I remember it. So yeah, essentially the right (in theory) to say the n word. The woke war seems to be much more and much broader, about countering literally *anything* deemed liberal. Like, no one ever thought something like climate change legislation was a fight over political correctness, but it is considered by these coconut skulls as "woke."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 6 March 2023 16:42 (one year ago) link

nah, anti-PC went hand in hand with anti-environmentalism, they just didn't call it climate change yet

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 6 March 2023 16:45 (one year ago) link

But were all liberal policies dismissed as political correctness? Not as I remember it.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 6 March 2023 16:46 (one year ago) link

PC just never made it that far, but that was always the end game

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 6 March 2023 16:52 (one year ago) link

pc anxiety was absolutely about taking rights away from people. it was the banner waved by anti-affirmative action efforts, for a start.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 6 March 2023 17:06 (one year ago) link

I mean, PC never actually meant anything, it was a way to complain about not being able to use racial/homophobic/misogynistic slurs. It arose from pretty much the same "everyone's so sensitive these days geez" vibe as "woke." I think the biggest difference isn't between the phrases and what they signal as it is between the eras — in the '90s/'00s, the peak "anti-PC" era, we were in a bit of a narrower consensus about how far anyone would push things in either direction. Now there's less patience on the cultural left about waiting for grandma to be "comfortable" with social changes, and more openness on the cultural right about wanting to pretty much roll back an entire century of civil rights gains. But it's all the same thing, it's all the same fight.

One big difference is that "woke" was a term being used by African-Americans, whereas "politically correct" came from the New Left, (adapted from Mao) and was used there ironically to diss other leftists who were too rigid in their ideology. Very often the conservatives who were using PC as a weapon had come from the New Left and knew the origin.

INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Monday, 6 March 2023 17:14 (one year ago) link

Yeah, although in both cases you have the right repurposing, redefining and vilifying a word from the rhetoric of the left. I just don't think there's any real difference between how the phrases have been/are being used, they are ways to say you're against some nefarious leftist agenda without having to specify which things you're really talking about (bigotry, mostly).

We need a new monthly thread, who's got a title?

Let’s go with Alfred’s suggestion

rob, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 01:57 (one year ago) link


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