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That video does more to make Phoebe Bridgers seem like a fun normal human rather than a intimidatingly skilled songwriter / cool kid / budding celebrity / ice queen than anything she's ever done, I think.

Also I'm obsessed with Julien's behavior on the roller coaster at :53-1:08

alpine static, Thursday, 2 March 2023 07:33 (one year ago) link

otm and otm

what a beautiful song

big fan of the sheryl crow tune too wonder if there's a slight inspiration from the vh1 storytellers stevie nicks interaction given the joyous touring video

corrs unplugged, Thursday, 2 March 2023 07:36 (one year ago) link

They were at the annual Tibet benefit at Carnegie Hall last night and unveiled another new song, "Cool About It."

birdistheword, Friday, 3 March 2023 01:25 (one year ago) link

Great song, even if these are the four best songs on the album that would be a good album.

Bought tickets for one of the UK shows today - going with my daughter who is a megafan; the EP is huge in our lockdown mythos. Ethel Cain supporting, which is pretty great.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 3 March 2023 19:01 (one year ago) link

“I don’t know why I am not strong enough to be your man / I lied, I am, just lowering your expectations”

Tim F, Friday, 3 March 2023 23:55 (one year ago) link

otm

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 March 2023 23:57 (one year ago) link

I tried, I can't
Stop staring at the ceiling fan and
Spinning out about things that haven't happened

alpine static, Saturday, 4 March 2023 00:18 (one year ago) link

I've tipped over into the "this song gives me chills" zone

alpine static, Saturday, 4 March 2023 00:19 (one year ago) link

Almost as fun as the song itself is imagining them sitting around thinking up all these rejoinders to the Sheryl tune.

Tim F, Saturday, 4 March 2023 01:53 (one year ago) link

here's my tiny and pointless quibble: i wish they had repeated "go home alone" at the end one more time and kept the music going to accommodate it.

otherwise, no notes!

alpine static, Monday, 6 March 2023 19:01 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

Sold!

There’s no mistaking those individual voices. But the power of boygenius is how something weird, unpredictable, and slightly dangerous happens when these three musical minds meld. All over The Record, they prove they’re a band that can do it all, hitting peaks together that can’t be reached any other way.

All over The Record, they keep recombining their individual styles into a different kind of chemistry for each song. That’s why they transcend any kind of “supergroup” cliché. After all, supergroups are a dime a dozen compared to actual great bands. And boygenius leave no doubt about where they stand.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-album-reviews/boygenius-the-record-1234704024

supergroups are a dime a dozen compared to actual great bands?

not sure i buy that.

alpine static, Tuesday, 28 March 2023 22:56 (one year ago) link

Depends what you mean by "supergroup" I suppose. Just this week I learned of the existence of the Winery Dogs, who are allegedly a "supergroup" because they include a guy who used to be in Dream Theater and a guy who was briefly in both Poison and Mr. Big.

But I get what he's saying, rhetorical excess aside. boygenius feels like a band.

i agree with that. maybe i am too generous with the word "great," also

alpine static, Wednesday, 29 March 2023 00:10 (one year ago) link

Is that Rob S’s review tipsy is referring to?

It’s Only Her Factory, Girl! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 29 March 2023 00:21 (one year ago) link

'tis.

nice piece on Stereogum too, if you can wade thru the ads.

assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 29 March 2023 03:17 (one year ago) link

Something about the way Sheffield leans into his enthusiasms so credulously makes me reflexively suspicious, but in this case I really want to believe.

I like that he picks up the switch up to the arrangement for the second verse of “Not Strong Enough”, though I had assumed it was intended to be a reference to The Cure rather than New Order.

Tim F, Wednesday, 29 March 2023 21:25 (one year ago) link

I'd be more skeptical if we weren't already four songs to the good. Sometimes you just have those albums where everyone is like, yup. Looking forward to finding out.

My good people

Tim F, Thursday, 30 March 2023 21:05 (one year ago) link

This album

Tim F, Thursday, 30 March 2023 21:05 (one year ago) link

I keep checking a certain site for a download.

I ordered the album this morning.

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 March 2023 21:16 (one year ago) link

it's good but i'm not blown away or anything, which is how i generally feel about their solo work

ufo, Friday, 31 March 2023 05:34 (one year ago) link

I'll have to listen to this later in the morning after I get some sleep - I could barely stay awake through the quiet ones that loaded up the back half and it sounded like there were some beautiful sentiments expressed in those lyrics - but I really liked a big chunk of this, particularly the more uptempo numbers like "Satanist," which may be my favorite track.

birdistheword, Friday, 31 March 2023 06:25 (one year ago) link

"You think you're a good person cuz you won't punch me in the stomach."

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 31 March 2023 12:02 (one year ago) link

god, “satanist”

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 31 March 2023 12:56 (one year ago) link

i am so hyped for the next julien baker record

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 31 March 2023 13:00 (one year ago) link

*listens to “satanist” on repeat* the core, the heart music… desaparecidos… pedro the lion

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 31 March 2023 13:17 (one year ago) link

Oh god, 'Letter to an Old Poet'.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 31 March 2023 17:30 (one year ago) link

"Satanist" is like "Some Kinda Love": every line startles me.

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 31 March 2023 17:43 (one year ago) link

I'm enjoying the production much more - much fuller and more nuanced. I've got what I assume is a shitty vinyl pressing of the EP, but even with that the production always sounded thin to me.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 31 March 2023 19:19 (one year ago) link

i'm very slightly disappointed in the album as I don't think any song on it is as strong as Me and My Dog or Stay Down, but I've only listened to it under non ideal circumstances

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 2 April 2023 03:54 (one year ago) link

this sounded nice on the first real spring day of the year. most bridges-related works have one spectacular song and then a bunch of solid ones, and on this one it's "satanist." tho i do still really like "not strong enough"

ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Sunday, 2 April 2023 14:46 (one year ago) link

The only song I dislike is "We're in Love."

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 2 April 2023 14:47 (one year ago) link

"Letter to an Old Poet" holy shit

alpine static, Monday, 3 April 2023 22:33 (one year ago) link

I feel like this is about as strong as the EP rather than noticeably stronger or weaker.

A key difference, which Carl Wilson's review picks up on, is that Baker and Dacus offer much happier songs than they were writing circa five years ago. I experience this almost with visceral relief in the case of Baker given how relentlessly self-critical Little Oblivions was (albeit often very amusingly so). But I wonder if some people will come away from this album missing the emotional intensity that is generated by these artists' past tendency to return to the well of their own darkness. In particular Dacus' campfire ballads here, while not a new style for her, basically inhabit one end of her stylistic spectrum.

(Bridgers performing "Letter to an Old Poet" which is practically a do-over of "Me and My Dog", could almost be meta-commentary on struggling to move on from where she was 5 years ago, or appearing to struggle, but wanting to - especially given it arrives at the very end)

Tim F, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 01:58 (one year ago) link

Dacus is such a good lyricist.

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 02:05 (one year ago) link

"Cool About It" is such a condensed encapsulation of their various lyrical styles and performative characters, I can't think of lines more typical of Baker, Dacus and Bridgers respectively than "Wishing you were kind enough to be cruel about it", "I came prepared for absolution if you would only ask / so I take some offense when you say 'no regrets'", and "Once I took your medication just to know what it was like / and now I have to act like I can't read your mind".

Tim F, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 02:23 (one year ago) link

This is good and looking forward to repeat listens.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 02:17 (one year ago) link

Coincidentally, that’s what Taylor Swift advising doing today (via IG Stories) – play it on repeat (that’s quite an endorsement)!

hypnic jerk (morrisp), Wednesday, 5 April 2023 02:33 (one year ago) link

is 'Satanist' the best song ever?

Nourry, Thursday, 6 April 2023 08:18 (one year ago) link

Absolutely loving Satanist here too.

True Blue is my other personal standout on first few listens.

brain (krakow), Saturday, 8 April 2023 18:33 (one year ago) link

True blue is fantastic and the album is good but I’m not too sure about most of the acoustic tracks (except cool about it).

AlXTC from Paris, Saturday, 8 April 2023 18:42 (one year ago) link

I had to give myself time to adequately absorb the tracks I didn't know from prerelease, and basically I think it's a really good album that's a few songs short of great. I agree that a few of the folkier tracks don't register very strongly —– "Revolution" and "We're in Love" in particular — and I like them best with a bit of a beat behind them. That said, "Emily I'm Sorry" is one of my favorite Bridgers songs period, solo or otherwise, and the other pre-release tracks plus "Satanist," "Anti-Curse," and "Cool About It" are all top-notch.

"Cool About It" is such a condensed encapsulation of their various lyrical styles and performative characters, I can't think of lines more typical of Baker, Dacus and Bridgers respectively than "Wishing you were kind enough to be cruel about it", "I came prepared for absolution if you would only ask / so I take some offense when you say 'no regrets'", and "Once I took your medication just to know what it was like / and now I have to act like I can't read your mind".

superbly otm, my favorite song here

corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 09:08 (one year ago) link

Put another way, the things that each needs to let go of in order to move on are very much in character and carefully (though not obviously so) counterposed: Baker needs to let go of her idealisation of her ex’s goodness; Dacus, her desire for fair determination as to where blame lies; Bridgers, her over-identification with her ex’s flaws.

Tim F, Tuesday, 11 April 2023 10:07 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

did we ever figure out who all's in the band? Jay Som on the left here, I believe (correct me if wrong) ... the person next to the drummer looks very familiar but I can't quite place them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPYc7VC6M-Q

alpine static, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 19:12 (one year ago) link

very confusingly they have two bassists in that performance?

the live band there is apparently jay som on bass, madden klass on drums, sarah goldstone (she plays with dacus) on keys, and tiana ohara on bass. one of the bassists moves around instruments i think for other songs?

ufo, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 23:22 (one year ago) link

Not strong enough to be a band

jaymc, Friday, 2 February 2024 21:42 (five months ago) link

I felt like that was kinda built into their thing. They were always going to go back to solo careers and/or other collaborations.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 3 February 2024 01:58 (five months ago) link

(which the article also says, if I'd actually read to the end)

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 3 February 2024 01:59 (five months ago) link

Every band is on hiatus when they are not touring or recording.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 February 2024 02:09 (five months ago) link

Yeah, in all honesty they probably didn't need to make an announcement. I pretty much figured once the tour was over, their next projects would be their own individual albums.

birdistheword, Saturday, 3 February 2024 17:57 (five months ago) link

(Actually I should reel that back in - saying that at a private show is not exactly an announcement to the press.)

birdistheword, Saturday, 3 February 2024 17:58 (five months ago) link

really like their new Gretsch signature guitar, based on the Broadcaster but without a Bigsby and has a trapeze bridge instead

https://gretschguitars.com/boygenius

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 February 2024 15:34 (five months ago) link

My favorite of their three lovable Grammy speeches last night. (This was the third one, so they'd already got most of the thank-yous out of the way.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-YIAw1Arrk

did they play "Layla" every time someone went to the stage?!

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 5 February 2024 15:58 (five months ago) link

or just boygenius!?

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 5 February 2024 15:59 (five months ago) link

I think the cues were pegged to the categories (so, "Rock Song" gets "Layla") — but I didn't pay enough attention to say for sure.

Wish at least one of those had been televised. (Or, I mean, part of the main broadcast. I guess those pre-show awards were streamed somewhere?)

jaymc, Monday, 5 February 2024 16:33 (five months ago) link

xp

It made me think of Bridgers' great Clapton diss, tho.

It's pretty awesome to see how massive they've become and how I'm sure whatever they do next they'll individually be stars in their own right even more.

omar little, Monday, 5 February 2024 16:53 (five months ago) link

gotta believe PB will move up to arenas now and Dacus / Baker to, like, 5000+ theaters and amphitheaters, right?

alpine static, Monday, 5 February 2024 17:22 (five months ago) link

Makes me glad to have seen Baker and Dacus in smallish venues pre-boygenius. Not yet had the chance to see Bridgers.

one month passes...

Neat tribute in today's Double Jeopardy round.


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