Star Trek: Picard

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The Grand Nagus was meant to be extremely offputting imo

skeezy man who unabashedly is a proponent of capitalism, isn’t actually that great at it, and somehow ends up being the leader? could never happen irl

mh, Sunday, 26 February 2023 16:02 (nine months ago) link

Why would the Federation still have “junkies”?

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 27 February 2023 05:48 (nine months ago) link

Well they made a Blade Runner planet, gotta have junkies there I guess.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 27 February 2023 06:00 (nine months ago) link

all that shit floating around in the air at that club i wanted people to be randomly sneezing or like waving it out of their face etc

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 27 February 2023 06:52 (nine months ago) link

And maybe she sent him to prep school and he turned out to be a ne'er-do-well scalawag, thus his various jackanapes

― Ned Raggett, Friday, February 24, 2023 6:29 AM (six days ago)


Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 March 2023 01:46 (nine months ago) link


friends are iffy about the actual enemy reveal, but I felt like the overall federation threat from that series never quite had its due. very creepy!

mh, Friday, 3 March 2023 02:18 (nine months ago) link

if the plot threads, it’d be really funny if they targeted Picard as one of the few dudes who would notice ~that threat~

mh, Friday, 3 March 2023 02:20 (nine months ago) link


Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 March 2023 05:05 (nine months ago) link

idk i’m kinda excited for this storyline now

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 March 2023 05:46 (nine months ago) link

So are we going for Dominion war II ? I thought this ep was weak, but was stoked to see changelings!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 3 March 2023 09:39 (nine months ago) link

nah, I think it’s going to be messier and weirder than that

mh, Friday, 3 March 2023 14:20 (nine months ago) link

They really should have shaved junior's head instead of going with the accent.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 3 March 2023 22:08 (nine months ago) link

I think it's going to be much more banal, similar to how they made the Borg boring. Like, oh great, yet another rogue faction that wants to kill humans, which completely throws away the uncanniness of the Great Link. Whatever happened to "the drop becomes the ocean, and the ocean becomes the drop"? All my clamoring for the rest of Trek top acknowledge the stuff that happened in DS9 and this is what we get? Maybe they'll pull something interesting out of this thread but I doubt it.

Starting to think Bev warned against trusting SF not because she suspected a mole but because they're now staffed by incompetents. All that time they spent in the nebula and they didn't even try to come up with a decent plan. Can't believe this show is making me miss deus ex machina technobabble!

Shartreuse (Leee), Sunday, 5 March 2023 05:17 (nine months ago) link

can't argue with that at all

a) i don't care about the kid
b) i don't care that he's picard's kid
c) i don't care that bev has hidden (this 33yo actor) from picard
d) might be rude to yield the kid to amanda plummer in an effort to save the other 500 people on the titan, but also i don't care
e) i resent shaw being written as an incredible asshole when he was correct
f) i resent picard being written as manic attack guy just to create conflict with riker, who was correct
g) i don't care about rafi, or the resurfacing of rafi's addictive nature as a plot point. although if worf keeps calling her rafaela i will inevitably cave
h) oh no a ~biological~ gravity well! certainly no one has ever encountered that before!

never got a good look at amanda plummer's crew, but they certainly *sound* like the insectoid xindi from enterprise. that's no doubt a bit much to cram in whilst honoring every other possible tangent tho

mookieproof, Sunday, 5 March 2023 07:11 (nine months ago) link

They must be stretching out the plot again because vintage Trek would've used the biological gravity well this episode instead of what I'm guessing will be the next to make their escape.

Nu Trek largely seems content on cherry-picking only the high level lore established in previous series (the Dominion War), and ignoring the finer details that made the world alive (the Bajoran officer saying God instead of the Prophets).

Shartreuse (Leee), Sunday, 5 March 2023 15:48 (nine months ago) link

Thing I'm keeping in mind here re all plot shenanigans is that the trailers revealed we're getting Moriarty back at some point.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 5 March 2023 17:11 (nine months ago) link

I think mookie and I are mind-melded because I thought Riker was happy that Jack (btw why would Bev name him after her other husband?) went to sickbay because that meant getting JL off the bridge.

Shartreuse (Leee), Sunday, 5 March 2023 17:36 (nine months ago) link

medical science has gone way downhill in the last 3 decades, huh. the scanner can't even detect internal bleeding. they've gone back to defibrillators to treat arrhythmia.

bring back the salt shaker

formerly abanana (dat), Monday, 6 March 2023 03:28 (nine months ago) link

I did find that whole scene odd, when the other Dr got snotty at Beverley as if she had no clue how to doctor. Something about "things change a lot in 20 years". Really lady?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 6 March 2023 05:30 (nine months ago) link

the trailers revealed we're getting Moriarty back at some point

and lore too, right? i fear the worst

honestly just give me worf, son of mogh, house of martok, solving mysteries

mookieproof, Monday, 6 March 2023 06:29 (nine months ago) link

i’d settle for Barclay and call it good

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 6 March 2023 06:51 (nine months ago) link

Okay the new one is the honest to god best episode of the season, maybe of this whole series.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 March 2023 21:32 (eight months ago) link

Episode 4 has been the shark-jumping point for the first two seasons, maybe they decided to flip that trend on its head?

Shartreuse (Leee), Thursday, 9 March 2023 22:08 (eight months ago) link

Some of the old TNG magic came back when they had actors retelling dramatic events rather than clumsily showing it, which was directly contrasted to them clumsily showing dramatic events in the same episode.

I'm down for Lone Worf and Cub spinoff.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 9 March 2023 22:11 (eight months ago) link

Lone Worf & Q’uhb, perhaps?

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 9 March 2023 22:50 (eight months ago) link

"You're only ever really as good as those around you" -- sums up Picard the TV show pretty well

This two-parter was very BSG remake season 1 and that's a good thing to imitate.

formerly abanana (dat), Friday, 10 March 2023 01:04 (eight months ago) link

It was nice to see another mid-season arc conclusion. Star Trek seemed to forget about it after Disco S1.

formerly abanana (dat), Friday, 10 March 2023 01:44 (eight months ago) link

nice callback to voyager with the 'we can literally harness energy from space mom's contractions but the holodeck is untappable'

mookieproof, Friday, 10 March 2023 13:47 (eight months ago) link

"did you just.... throw an asteroid at them?!" was a great line.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 11 March 2023 09:15 (eight months ago) link

Wow we almost got a CRAZY deep cut...but I have always wondered:

But while the Changelings were an early part of Matalas’ plans for season 3, for a brief moment they were almost replaced by another hidden Star Trek villain, this time directly from Picard’s roots in TNG—the parasitic bugs from the infamous season 1 episode “Conspiracy.” In that episode, Picard and Riker uncover a plot by a race of alien bugs to infiltrate Starfleet command, burrowing into their unfortunate hosts and killing them, puppeting them in secret. Which was, for Matalas, the problem with bringing them back.

“I do like the conspiracy bugs, I did consider for a hot minute, the conspiracy bugs,” Matalas continued. “The issue with the conspiracy bugs is they kill their host. So that would mean anyone that you saw with a bug in them was dead, and you wouldn’t be able to do the paranoia thriller that you wanted to do if it was somebody you loved, that meant they were dead. So there (were) about three storylines I couldn’t do without killing legacy characters.”

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 11 March 2023 18:20 (eight months ago) link

did I, for a moment, wonder during the interrogation of that guy at the hands of Worf and Raffi if that was going to be the reveal? maaaaybe

how funny would it have been if instead of looking sick and then being revealed as a changeling, we got one of those bugs bursting from the guy’s chest Alien-style

mh, Saturday, 11 March 2023 18:59 (eight months ago) link

Side question - does watching this season spoil the end (or parts) of DS9? I’m only on season 3!

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 11 March 2023 20:02 (eight months ago) link

not so far

mookieproof, Saturday, 11 March 2023 21:37 (eight months ago) link

Oh wow, so the nubbins _WERE_ considered as the Star Fleet conspiracy. The hosts of the Greatest Generation/Trek podcast would be so proud their jokey prediction was more accurate than expected

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 11 March 2023 22:04 (eight months ago) link

Having only just finished watching DS9 in toto I found it helped. But I dont think its neccesary.

The pot thing bugged me though. That always seemed like an Odo-specific item, I dont see why another rogue changeling (I assume, one of the ones released like Odo was years earlier to "explore"?) would have the same kind of pot, given they all usually live in the Link, and the outliers... dont even know what they are initially if DS9's anything to go on?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 12 March 2023 06:37 (eight months ago) link

indeed. and even odo -- who didn't know what he was, and therefore couldn't have known to create a special pot -- could at a pinch, liquidate himself in the . . . embrace of a friendly betazoid

mookieproof, Sunday, 12 March 2023 06:53 (eight months ago) link

It also bugged me that Seven found it so quickly hidden in a compartment!? I mean the titan is a fucking huge ship with multiple levels.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 12 March 2023 07:02 (eight months ago) link

i realize that i'm complaining a lot and i don't really *mean* to do that


if these producers are masterful enough to pull out changelings plus the rumored moriarty and/or lore, they should be better about the other, perhaps 'smaller' things that seem off

mookieproof, Sunday, 12 March 2023 07:18 (eight months ago) link

surely when Odo went back to the great link he shared his knowledge of the specific model of small bucket that serves as the perfect changeling resting vessel and they’re all replicating it when they visit the federation

mh, Sunday, 12 March 2023 14:23 (eight months ago) link

Agreed that this was a good episode but it took a lot of exasperation to set the characters up on the chessboard in a way to make the story work, the most anti-Trek example of which is making Shaw an anti-Borg bigot who thinks little of dead naming 7. I'm not a "no conflict in Starfleet, ever" purist but you can make a jerk Trek captain (Jellico 4ever) without making him a stupid goon.

Shartreuse (Leee), Sunday, 12 March 2023 16:59 (eight months ago) link

Whew...and I thought *last* week was good.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 March 2023 20:16 (eight months ago) link

Yeah this was a great episode. I think I can see where things are panning out now, though Ive been wrong plenty before!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 16 March 2023 20:26 (eight months ago) link

And we still have some key characters yet to surface! I do have half a guess myself but yeah I'm just content to let this play out some.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 March 2023 21:14 (eight months ago) link

Great guest star this episode. I didn't expect how good that character resolution was.

I can read the changelings Conspiracy as being a meta-commentary on how the people running Trek behind the scenes are completely different now, resulting in Trek series that feel like imposters.

formerly abanana (dat), Friday, 17 March 2023 16:06 (eight months ago) link

agree this was a pretty great episode

loved the guest reveal, and the storyline fitted them well i thought

can worf just kill rafi now
i’m still incredibly tired of her

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 March 2023 18:34 (eight months ago) link

Worf needs Raffi around so he can do his Weird Dad Worf thing.

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 17 March 2023 19:02 (eight months ago) link


werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 March 2023 19:26 (eight months ago) link

fantastic guest but we should have gotten more

mookieproof, Saturday, 18 March 2023 02:51 (eight months ago) link

although i have to say that said guest having rejoined starfleet feels unlikely to me

mookieproof, Saturday, 18 March 2023 02:54 (eight months ago) link

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 18 March 2023 03:16 (eight months ago) link

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