Why does anyone like the Fall?

I highly recommend reading Big Midweek & The Fallen back to back

a 3rd House Of All track is up now, not as impressive as the first two but I am still v much looking forward to this

I just don't buy Bramah as a vocalist, especially on this kind of material. The guy they got in for the Imperial Wax album was much more convincing imo

big shoes to fill, no doubt. loved this quote I read from a review of To Live And Shave In L.A.:

There is something hypnotic about the incantantory, monotonous declamation of the bizarre lyrics, and I can't help noting the resemblance to another notable vocalist named Smith: as with The Fall, there is the literary style and total inscrutability in the lyrics, mannered vocal accent, delerious, repetitive intonation of one line after another, and the sense that the music is somehow actively antagonistic to and tormenting the vocalist instead of "playing along".

someone played a track from the new brix solo album the other day. sounded like adult net perhaps unsurprisingly. wasn't bad.

I love her Adult Net songs

gotta check that out thx for the tip, had no idea

her website has something on it that says it's the 4th single from an album called 'valley of the dolls' which is both unfamiliar and too obvious name.

sounds tells me it was Fast Net that i heard, the 3rd single

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzldE-WrOyM

wish this was on Bandcamp, get w/it Brix

That’s pretty good. One of the interesting things I learned from her book is her identification with the psychedelic paisley underground scene and that at a low point she lived above Susanna Hoffs garage and they were close.

Brix was on the Turned Out a Punk podcast with the Fucked Up dude, really interesting story

Being something of a champion of the Lines, would love to hear any stories about how the Adult Net ended up covering White Night, listed as White Night (Stars Say Go) on their release.

released yesterday: 4 Re-Mit outtakes on a red 10 inch : O-Mit https://www.cherryred.co.uk/product/the-fall-o-mit-10-ep/

I like it, particularly "A Disco (City)"

Why does Kylie Jenner and/or her son like the Fall(?)

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because they are part of america therein

the kid likes to play "Hit the North" (involves beating on his cousin, North West)

Apart from not consulting, paying, or even sending a copy to any of the people playing on it, it looks like they have, yes. https://t.co/cqZBQISvet

— Paul Hanley (@hanleyPa) August 19, 2023

MES signed away all rights multiple times, aiui

Performance rights of his band? That's possible?

They were probably paid like employees. As frustrating as MES many dealings have been and as little respect he’s shown to the various musicians who were the Fall, this is not at all unusual. But as a onetime label owner it boggles my mind that so many labels are happy to officially license master recordings from whomever owns the rights without at least checking in with the artists themselves, seeing how they feel about it and seeing what you can do to get their involvement and perhaps even some money.

Yeah not especially unusual that musicians don't have any ownership of the master recordings of records they played on... but for companies putting out reissues it should be basic marketing 101 to get send those musicians some product and get their blessing.

how does it work for music/song writers when a reissue is done? is that one of those "you should've read the contract" kind of situations?

Depends on the contract and the publishing rights. If they don’t own the masters and there isn’t a contract stating they’re due royalties from them, they may be screwed. If they own the publishing as songwriters they’re due money.

as an example, the record in question (Perverted By Language), was originally released with copyrights listed as:
Copyright © – Fall Music Publishers Ltd.
Copyright © – Cavalcade (2)

but on the new reissue Hanley posts about, the rights are:
Licensed From – BMG Rights Management (UK) Limited
Distributed By – Music On Vinyl B.V.
Manufactured By – Music On Vinyl B.V.
Phonographic Copyright ℗ – Sanctuary Records Group Ltd.
Copyright © – Sanctuary Records Group Ltd.

and who know what happened in the 40 years in between. the 1998 reissue is copyrighted to Cog Sinister: https://www.discogs.com/release/9005355-The-Fall-Perverted-By-Language but the rights have definitely been with Castle/Sanctuary since 2003 or so.

Hard to see how consulting/getting the blessing of every musician who played on a record would work. As Dave Simpson's book shows, tracking down former members of The Fall is not a straightforward business. And they can't really expect to be given a veto on any aspect of the reissue.

Flashback to Sonic & Jason telling folks to not buy any Spacemen 3 reissues because their old manager owns everything including publishing.

"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."

"Some of your friends are already this fucked"

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Flashback to Sonic & Jason telling folks to not buy any Spacemen 3 reissues because their old manager owns everything including publishing.

I mean that she said similar, not that Nina Simone co-owned publishing rights to the Spacemen 3 catalogue.

not sure Salvador Dali wasn't an utter bastard tbh

Wouldn’t be too hard to track down the 5 musicians here and offer to send them a few copies at least!

dali def belongs in the hitler intersection there tbh

i’ve been meaning to do a *proper* piece of devil’s advocacy on this question for a while. the trigger for saying this now is just finding out that the spanish falangists had a ~27 point~ programme - this is probably known but it wasn’t by me.

may do it when i get back from espain

Well I’m pretty sure Mark was right wing, I’ve made my peace with that.

people like the fall because they're fuckin awesome

thanks

oh no! do we cancel them now? xpost

Hmm, first I find Eat Y'Self FItter and Smile are missing from (UK) Spotify release of Perverted by Language, now I see Leave the Capitol is missing from Slates. Wtf's going on with the licensing of these tracks? I daren't look at all their other albums and find what else is greyed out.

Mark’s estate must be a mess.

Yeah that really fucked me up. I had a perfect playlist built from Apple Music of The Fall in chronological order broken up into 3 phases. Basically pre-Brix, Brix and post-Brix, and suddenly key tracks disappeared. Usually those tracks exist on other releases, like a best-of or some compilation, and there's some rights that have switched or something. It really sucks. Eat Y'Self Fitter is on the 50,000 Fall Fans Can't Be Wrong compilation so I had to pull it from there. Smile's nowhere. Leave the Capitol's nowhere, just some live version. Lie Dream is on the 50k comp etc.

I def started leaning to heavily on streaming so I could access these playlists in multiple places. Now it's fucked. I'd be better off finding a way to serve the playlists off my computer remotely.

50,000 Fall Fans comp not available on UK Spotify, alas, so can't plug the Eat Y'Self Fitter hole with that.

I'd dig out my old CDs if I still had a CD player! Ah well, there's always soulseek

just heard "A Past Gone Mad" for the first time a couple days ago and I was stunned not just that it was The Fall but that it was The Fall from 1993. might have to actually explore those later records I guess.

they are great

Infotainment Scan is a really good Fall record!

the perfection of "Blindness" (the Peel Session version) is completely shocking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAHbSAJjTls