Star Trek: Picard

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i hate the way these characters have each been turned into a kind glazed ham you the viewer have to repeat-appreciate at tiresome gustatory length and also anyone in the story who doesn't immediately revere them in the same way is marked as despicable or else gets punched

they're idiots and their plan sucks! their confidence in their immense knowledge is misplaced!

mark s, Sunday, 19 February 2023 16:52 (one year ago) link

I can’t even hate watch this, it upsets me too much

meat and two vdgg (emsworth), Monday, 20 February 2023 00:35 (one year ago) link

It's like a man child playing with his still-boxed TNG action figures, all mint.

Also did we ever hear Riker playing or listening to bebop? I only remember trad jazz.

I seem to reveal that an earlier draft of "All Good Things" where the old TNG crew steal the Enterprise to go on Picard's mission but the writers dropped it for being a dopey idea, too bad Q is dead now or else he could've sent someone in time to persuade this show's writers from making the same mistake.

Shartreuse (Leee), Monday, 20 February 2023 03:56 (one year ago) link

Every time Frakes reappears in a "hey the gangs all here" reunion type ep he always has this "hey wow this is great!" shit eating grin that I find really offputting. I dunno if he's had work or something? But his eyebrows are weird now.

I thought I'd enjoyed this episode til you bunch of cynical fucks pooed all over it, so thanks for that everyone :)

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 20 February 2023 06:57 (one year ago) link

I don't think I'm being cynical! I just want Trek that's better thought out!

Shartreuse (Leee), Monday, 20 February 2023 13:45 (one year ago) link

i wd term my attitude "quizzical hostility"

mark s, Monday, 20 February 2023 15:54 (one year ago) link

Look tbf some of those issues I agree with. Why can't he just commisssion a non-Federation ship? If its so important they dont involve starfleet why is Seven the first place he went? (well, we know why - so she can be in the show again).

That Titan captain was an utter cunt, but hey Ive worked with people like that so it didn't ring false to me.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 21 February 2023 00:24 (one year ago) link

I am one of like, five people worldwide who really liked the 12 Monkeys tv show so I liked that actor’s cameo

mh, Tuesday, 21 February 2023 01:29 (one year ago) link

I'm one of the other five people worldwide.

Xii, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 01:08 (one year ago) link

more and more of us are here, on ilx. watching Picard!

mh, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 03:29 (one year ago) link

I bailed before the end of the 1st season. Can I skip straight to this one?

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 10:20 (one year ago) link

yes

mookieproof, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 16:34 (one year ago) link

Well THAT was a lot today. As well as having a couple of “you can’t call it foreshadowing when it was all right there” key points.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 February 2023 02:18 (one year ago) link

Is this whole show just going to be the story of how this poor captain keeps getting strong-armed to his eventual doom.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 24 February 2023 02:24 (one year ago) link

Good read that a friend of mine wrote

https://www.emmys.com/news/features/star-trek-picard

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 February 2023 14:01 (one year ago) link

I think they just barely squeaked out the right amount of gravitas in order to sell that wordless interaction at the end of ep3

Kind of an odd juxtaposition with the Raffi plotline that seems to be verbal exposition dump after exposition dump. I’m also having some suspicions about who her anonymous intelligence handler is on the other end of the line

mh, Friday, 24 February 2023 14:17 (one year ago) link

so wait, are British accents supposed to be hereditary now?

H in Addis, Friday, 24 February 2023 14:21 (one year ago) link

xpost uh...you mean a certain scene involving a decapitation didn't make it clear who it was?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 February 2023 14:28 (one year ago) link

xpost And maybe she sent him to prep school and he turned out to be a ne'er-do-well scalawag, thus his various jackanapes

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 February 2023 14:29 (one year ago) link

we're on the run, hiding from everyone, so prep school, great
i really wonder if they'll explain it or just ignore it as stupid casting idea

H in Addis, Friday, 24 February 2023 14:44 (one year ago) link

"Tom Hardy worked that one time, right?" "Well, sorta."

Anyway maybe in the same way Jean-Luc loves his Philip Marlowe scenarios, ol' Jack here may just be addicted to torrid Eton-set romances.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 February 2023 15:28 (one year ago) link

xp at Ned

For some reason I didn't read that as her handler coming in for the rescue, but the dialogue does line up. For some reason I read that as certain character being her backup that she'd maybe arranged, but that makes less sense!

mh, Friday, 24 February 2023 15:53 (one year ago) link

iirc the romulan sister in season one was an american actress they made do a britishes accent

mookieproof, Friday, 24 February 2023 16:57 (one year ago) link

dr beverley crusher two for two when it comes to exceedingly annoying sons

mark s, Friday, 24 February 2023 19:22 (one year ago) link

ha

H in Addis, Friday, 24 February 2023 19:39 (one year ago) link

capt shaw otm tbh

mark s, Friday, 24 February 2023 19:47 (one year ago) link

also hi H!

mark s, Friday, 24 February 2023 19:52 (one year ago) link

hi mark s!

H in Addis, Friday, 24 February 2023 20:11 (one year ago) link

Looking forward to future episodes where Raffi can interact with other characters. Carrying those scenes on her own has been rough to watch.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 24 February 2023 20:42 (one year ago) link

Can someone explain why Picard decided Jack was his son? I had the same thoght as H - is the accent hereditary? Was it just a "oh, hes a rougue like I was in my youth, weeping in butchers shops"? I guess he couldve done the maths and figured out the last time he was with Bev?

A building that massive is destroyed in one foul swoop and only 117 ppl are killed? Seems like a spot where thered be hundreds of people?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 24 February 2023 23:34 (one year ago) link

why would a close associate presumably have sex with you and then disappear and not talk to you for twenty years? I mean, that happens to me but we’re talking about Picard in this thread

maybe it was just awkward but idk it doesn’t take much to connect the dots there, unless Picard was senile before they uploaded him and had forgotten sex with Crusher. more like crushed him, right?

mh, Friday, 24 February 2023 23:59 (one year ago) link

iirc one of the threads in the TNG series finale had picard and crusher getting married and divorced . . . but the resolution meant that that never actually happened, right?

mookieproof, Saturday, 25 February 2023 00:28 (one year ago) link

presumably! it was kind of their possible reality shot, but we get to the movies and Picard, him sad man with no nephew anymore and no kids

the funniest thing they could do but never would, because it’s bad fanfic, is Beverly used Shinzon dna to artificially make a son. and he comes out as mini-Tom Hardy

mh, Saturday, 25 February 2023 01:48 (one year ago) link

pretty funny the last time they saw each other was Star Trek: Nemesis, right?

mh, Saturday, 25 February 2023 01:48 (one year ago) link

tbh i feel like none of the movies should be canon

mookieproof, Saturday, 25 February 2023 02:15 (one year ago) link

wait why are we calling this twerp "mini-tom hardy"

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/002/825/33d.gif

mark s, Saturday, 25 February 2023 12:06 (one year ago) link

“you think picardness is your ally… but you merely adopted the picard”

mark s, Saturday, 25 February 2023 12:10 (one year ago) link

i think i blanked out the movies after V maybe?

i've seen them all, even in theaters till VI def

had to go google tom hardy being in them, zero recollection

H in Addis, Saturday, 25 February 2023 12:35 (one year ago) link

tom hardy in star trek: nemesis

https://i.imgur.com/LNtxOh2.png

mark s, Saturday, 25 February 2023 12:50 (one year ago) link

nada

western?

rewatch i guess

H in Addis, Saturday, 25 February 2023 13:04 (one year ago) link

Insurrection was the TNG movie that I flat-out didn’t like, but it did bring up the idea that factions within the Federation were up to some shady shit. The execution was just insanely corny.

Insurrection was not well-executed but introduced actual changes in the status quo (Troi and Riker get married, Riker leaves to command his own ship at the end, Data’s dead) and the Picard writers have been leaning on those plot points

mh, Saturday, 25 February 2023 14:18 (one year ago) link

Obviously I meant to type Nemesis at the beginning of that second paragraph oops

mh, Saturday, 25 February 2023 14:21 (one year ago) link

I miss when Starfleet wasn't filled with incompetent functionaries.

Shartreuse (Leee), Saturday, 25 February 2023 22:39 (one year ago) link

I rewatched the movies in the last couple of weeks.

None of them were great but Insurrection was particularly bad. Felt like it should have just been a two parter of TNG rather than a movie that had an actual theatrical release.


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groovypanda, Saturday, 25 February 2023 22:56 (one year ago) link

I did like the Ferengi, just the right level of scenery chewing without falling into cliche or racist caricature.

Shartreuse (Leee), Saturday, 25 February 2023 23:09 (one year ago) link

that was the dude from the 12 Monkey’s tv series which i v much enjoyed

yeah he did great in this i thought!

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 February 2023 23:13 (one year ago) link

the ferengi facial prosthetic change could have used more ridges, but was otherwise a great update!

mh, Sunday, 26 February 2023 05:08 (one year ago) link

so far, raffi plot thread very similar to the stinky discovery s1 finale.

formerly abanana (dat), Sunday, 26 February 2023 06:22 (one year ago) link

Agreed on the Ferengi! The one thing I found off about DS9 was Quark and co. I know thats the whole idea, but the sexist money grubbing comedy gurning was offputting for me. Esp Wallace Shawn's Grand Nagus, it felt like he was playing it for laughs.

This guy had genuine mercenary malice, I liked it.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 26 February 2023 08:21 (one year ago) link

I hated the Quark episodes when I was a kid but have been enjoying them on the rewatch. In a way perhaps Quark is the most relatable adult on the show? And maybe my sense of humour has gotten broader in middle age

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 26 February 2023 09:25 (one year ago) link


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