Decades-old stuff that was fairly unknown in the West but suddenly got very famous online (aka: the Fishmans thread)

nice t shirt. i listened the fishmansus ca. 2013 but i still don't understand the praising.

Ata Kak - Ooba Sima

Is one of my favorites. Not sure if it qualifies because it was virtually unknown even in Ghana until Awesome Tapes from Africa unearthed it and it became popular.

Also Mariah - Shinzo No Tobira

i'm claiming the credit (indirectly) for Shinzo No Tobira taking off. I was in Eurasia records in Shinjuku, perhaps my favourite Tokyo record shop, around 2007/8. The owner was always playing great music and while I was browsing he put on Shinzo No Tobira and I flipped out and bought it on the spot. I shared a rip of it on a private music sharing site I had set up and it became the most popular track in that site's history. The version on Youtube that then went viral is the same vinyl rip I had uploaded.

I devoted a crazy amount of time to reissuing it but was ultimately beaten to the punch.

Wow thanks, stirmonster! I downloaded what must have been your rip from Root Strata about 10 years ago. It's wild that something so great can languish in obscurity for so long

hah, that's super cool, and yes I will give you the credit. sometimes I think it really does work like that. the Fishmans thing you could probably link back to one or two particularly enthusiastic fans.

I have a little bit of experience there actually - about 10 years ago I was really enthusiastic about Susumu Hirasawa and his band P-Model and since there was very little writing in English I was the guy writing stuff on RYM, blogs, various message boards, even an article for Perfect Sound Forever. I kinda thought all this was just going into the void but thanks to some soundtracks he did eventually he got a Western audience and when they looked him up I guess most of the results were just shit I had written. It's kind of surreal reading some reviews and seeing the exact same language and phrasing you used. In fact there was some long blogpost (with MP3s) that just quoted my stuff extensively. Later on I was invited to a Discord and found out that apparently everyone knew who I was and that actually a few Japanese fans were obsessed with figuring out who this random American dude was, because Hirasawa really had no presence here AT ALL. you couldn't even get his CDs shipped overseas.

That's great!

I’m the one who uploaded it to youtube!

The mp3 I used came from the 20jazzfunkgreats blog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRgLhEGEetc

Everyone that doesn’t know it needs to listen to it asap

Someone wrote to me that they had the rights and wouldn’t take it down because it was popular but they’d be the ones collecting the money which I had no problem with as I wasn’t monetizing it obviously. Only thing I asked for was to please get in line for the vinyl reissue.

I’m the one who uploaded it to youtube!

oh my! small world.

The mp3 I used came from the 20jazzfunkgreats blog

20jfg guys were members of my music sharing site / friends of mine.

Thank you so much for being the one who did the crate digging and brought it back into the blogosphere. Easily a top 10 song of the 80’s for me. My mind is still blown every time I listen to it.

Btw seeing as you should get credit for doing the digging, do you want me to post a writeup or link or something in the description?

thanks for offering but i'm fine leaving it as it is.

I may have edited the description either way ;)

thanks Moka. that's very kind.

that is very cool about the mariah record!! big thanks to stirmonster & moka for bringing it into our lives

this is another one definitely seems to have got out into the wider world in recent times:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGsSAVz1BBQ
Steve Monite - Only You

what a cool story, plus now I'm hearing Mariah for the first time and it's fantastic (some good comments on your YT page too Moka)

that Steve Monite track is an uber fave and another where it seems so mad it took nearly 40 years to become known more widely.

And its not even the best track off the album as i've recently learnt - Things Fall Apart is soooo good!

Steve Monite track is great.

There’s a somewhat unnecessary theophilus london + tame impala rework of it that I’ve overheard in bars instead of the Steve Monite one - which is a shame but hey better than nothing.

i get so many of these in my discover weekly. i think this one fits:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfEOg67L-gg
Om Alec Khaoli - Say You Love Me

it's not really comparable to people doing god's work on here but I ripped a yann tomita record that was not available in the usual places many years ago and I get some kind of strange pride when I encounter the same rip out in the wild, with my old file naming quirks and so on

thank you stir + moka.

i'd like to go back to fishmans for a moment. feel free to scroll past. they really have been an astounding discovery for me. i'd like to tell you about it. thanks for listening.

i have a lot of mental health problems. it's caused me a lot of personal problems. i'm that annoying guy, too: if i'm upset beyond reason, sit me in a room for five minutes with headphones playing a song of my choice and i'll be fine afterwards. it keeps me grounded in ways i don't fully understand. i'm a very cheesy person, so i say silly things like "I BELIEVE IN THE HEALING POWER OF MUSIC" without any sense of irony whatsoever.

i also believe genuinely weird things like time being an experience unique to the specific user. just as some people prefer coffee with a lot of sweeteners while others can't stand anything except plain black, an hour for you is not the same as it is for me. ned raggett —who i am hereby nominating as official mascot and media spokesperson of ilx— has talked about how music has affected his sense of time when hearing a specific song by a specifically significant band: TIME STOPPED i believe was how ned described his first experience with "soon." i know my version of what he's talking about. it's one of the reasons i keep listening to music. it doesn't happen very often, but hey now! when it does. i've posted about one of my experiences.

so i seek out music a lot. i wish i could contribute more than just awe and gratitude. i do feel quite like a poseur among you guys sometimes. now is one of those times because i discovered fishmans through the rateyourmusic top rated list. i wanted to have a look at it after seeing that kendrick had become the #1 rated album on the site. discourse re:rym in mind, maybe that's where my insecurity stems from?

all that to say, whatever the case was when i hit play on LONG SEASON just over a week ago late on a saturday night, i was ready to kill myself. i had a plan and had taken at least one of the necessary steps to follow through with it.

but... time [/u]stopped[/u].

you know that feeling when you just know? call it intuition, being "fully in touch" with your preferences, or whatever, maybe i'm just high on sunshine. in any case, there's a moment about 8 or 9 minutes into LONG SEASON where the key changes ever so slightly and somebody hits this guitar arpeggio for the first time — yeah, i don't remember my first listen to the rest of the album after that but i played it several more times in the next day or so.

it's really singular, obviously. i haven't heard every recording ever made, but it sticks out in my mind as starkly unique among the things i have. it signaled a bigger change in sound for them (which really came about on ku-chu camp) but nothing else in their catalogue sounds like it. even the way it was recorded and mastered sounds out of step with everything else around it.

i like the early pop/reggae stuff just fine. some really catchy songs in there, but i definitely prefer the "dreampop fusion" from 95ish onwards. uchu nipppon setagaya was another life-affirming first listen and that material has become my favorite. the album is a stone cold classic and the obsession with clocks and walking throughout pleases me to no end. just felt like one of those first time "five mic" listens walking through the park listening on my headphones. the surrounding material is also excellent. the non-album "season" single i posted upthread was also an instant classic. if you've never heard the walking in the rhythm remixes and you like longform kankyo ongaku sounds, it's exceptional. and ku-chu camp is not far behind all of that. all very definitively classic.

(the movie is great with reservations, btw. focuses solely on "the band," if that makes sense. there's some conflicts and deeper issues hinted at, but i did feel like a few things were maybe glossed over? i don't know the band well enough to say. there is a ton of great candid and archive footage of them. considering that, and sato's behavior as documented in the film, i feel like there's more to the story than they're saying. most likely unsaid out of privacy, which is more than respectable imo. i did finish the film with a deep sense of melancholy as the revamped band rips into "ゆらめき in the air" over the credits and motegi talks about how they want to honor sato's legacy by continuing to play his music. i can't think of anything else i would want to do if were i in his position. and yet. always gonna be a big blue tear on that smiley face next to fishmans. if you like the band, definitely watch the film.)

and here i am: still alive and still reading this discussion board and looking for more fuel. and that brings me back around to thanking you, stir + moka. i was geeking out when i saw your exchange. i don't know the whole story, but i believe both of you did play a part in the revival of that album and that song. it's because of people like you, i'm able to look it up on streaming and just be able to hear it.

which i did yesterday on my walk and immediately added "shinzo no tibira" to my `radio station` playlist. !!!tytytytytytyty!!!

anyway. as you were.

hugs 2 u austin. please stick around and keep posting <3

Cosign, I've loved reading your take on Fishmans and greatly enjoyed the documentary. I think I mentioned it upthread but I'd be interested to know what you thought of another favourite Japanese band of mine, Clammbon (whose singer Ikuko Harada is a talking head in the doc).

i third that emotion xx

Austin: that’s some deep stuff you’re sharing. I can relate as I myself have been called feisty around here and I believe in the therapeutic aspects of music. There’s been many times in my life where music has been my shelter. Even in the minor things: I might be the only one of my friends who doesn’t stress while driving in heavy traffic because it gives me time to listen to music calmly.

That said, while I feel very happy I could provide you with at least a new discovery you love, please reach out and seek professional help. We all want you to stick around.

hi i just reread my post and i didn't mean for it to have such a despairing tone. polar opposite, in fact. this place, you folks, and the things it leads me to are nothing but pure inspiration and happiness.

mares i have clammbon in my queue. ty!

(also steve monite is cool! nice!)

Austin, the Imagination record might be a good place to start, esp the tune called 'Folklore' :)

And speaking of loops or quasi-loops, it's not quite decades old (2005), but it's well worth posting this monster. As someone said, it hooks to a reptilian part of your brain and does not let go. It's probably my most amazing obscure find these past 10 years. Not that it had no following, but I can only imagine it will grow in popularity.

Ladybird - Shit and Shine

I've heard some of Shit and Shine's stuff, but never this. It's on Bandcamp now. I've listened to the whole thing twice since reading your post and it's crazy that even with the extreme length and repetition I find I want to listen again almost as soon as it's over.

Austin, that was a super inspiring post and glad you are here posting <3

hi thank you for listening!

also thank you mares, i liked imagination. it has a bit more of an "alternative" kind of feel, but yes good songs! will get to the others in time.

xp beard papa, I was turned on to Ladybird a couple weeks ago and I had the same reaction as you. It's the kind of record that deserves a rabid cult following if it doesn't have one already

...which is essentially what the post you quoted says lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aroJNFXGaOk

polaris covers "SEASON" from their 2017 ep-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5T-9ig8bbg

very faithful rendition that has brought tears to my eyes.

btw polaris highly riyl the sea and cake and it really is the next best thing after uchu nippon setagaya.

lol I thought this was the band that did the theme song for Pete and Pete

no but they also covered king crimson

hi i'm checking out marimari's lone album from 1997 right now (discogs info). all of the fishmans folks are involved and it is generally very highly recommended if you like later fishmans and wondered what that kind of music might have sounded like with a more adult contempo lens and whispery female vocals. "tonight i♥m yours" sounds like a kuchu camp outtake. pretty nice.

more fishmans ephemera i'm digging right now is another polaris jam--

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOMqTE8rXKk
polaris - "空間" (2006)

another fun one.

(sidebar: really want to start a discussion about similarities between fishmans (+subsequently polaris) and the sea and cake. were the bands aware of one another? how did they end up in such similar sonic surroundings? was it just the gear of the time and the energy in the air? in any case, sea and cake is highly riyl fishmans and vice versa.)

kinda binging polaris the past few days and it occurred to me they are kinda soft rock, but really kinda jammy too, working those moods out (not uncommon for their songs to go on for 7 or 8 minutes - just like fishmans) but he rarely ever takes a solo, and they just... wait a second.

does polaris choogle???

think of "walking in the rhythm" but with less chanting and a couple more jazz chords and that's, like, 80% of the polaris catalogue.

i literally cannot get enough.

(aaaaannnnd into the live material we go!)

and here's one for the "wow they sound like sea and cake!" file-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6FQBdIbtxw

polaris - "あかつき" (2005)

I really love that first Polaris album. All their other stuff I've heard is good, but that first album is a doozy. Especially the last track. I actually like them way more than Fishmans. It's music I can put on while I'm focusing on something to buoy my mood while I work, but it also plays just as well in a less ambient context.

agreed that they do "ambient pop" really well. the past week or so, i've just been putting on a few albums or several eps in a row to have on in the background. i listen passively, but still find some of the melodies stick with me pretty closely. it's like kankyo ongaku in pop music form. but ultimately, yeah also agree the first one is the go-to if you've only got time for one.

...but if you really like what's happening on that album, well, shucks friend, i don't wanna spoil anything but i think you might be alright with your decision to keep going through their discography.

also i love that they repeat some songs between eps and albums. makes those binge listening sessions feel a bit more cohesive.

most of the polaris catalogue, like i said, is a lot of moody, vampy 7+ minute meditations.

but they're also an absolutely incredible singles band. i posted "空間" above and that's one of their genuine pop single attempts (p successful one imo). when they merge these two (moody vamp vs more conventional structure), the results are actually fucking astounding afaic-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBoG9JNHU88
polaris - "深海 / 点滅と明滅をくりかえす" (2015)

lots of live footage on the tube; they're not very charismatic but they play under a blue light quite frequently and holy shit are they tight. i mean, they're one of those rock bands where a few of the members reference sheet music while performing, so yeah. kinda of the opinion that you don't need good banter if your music smashes that fucking hard.

and a final thought for now: i love yusuke oya's androgynous vocals. quickly becoming one of my favorite singers.

hi so quick thing: yusuke has some solo recordings from the past couple years. all one-offs and only listed under kanji on spotify (search オオヤユウスケ). only a handful of tunes, all basically a more electronic iteration of that soft rock polaris mood (he doesn'treally play guitar at all on these). here's "weekend" from 2022:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrLVZshVzxw

it's all fantastic and i am officially in love with him.😎

(also: polaris on indefinite hiatus? hope not, but if it means more stuff like this, can't be too upset)