Please use the receptacle provided: What are you reading as 2023 begins?

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Poster Dow, the film book I own that has most surprised people when they see it on the shelf is David Thomson's NICOLE KIDMAN. 'Why do you have a whole book on Nicole Kidman?'

Mark S, an ILX poster, once wrote a book about a film.

the pinefox, Friday, 3 February 2023 09:20 (one year ago) link

Big thread about film books:

Search: Good, nay essential, books about film

Today I would recommend A Long Hard Look at Psycho by Raymond Durgnat

Ward Fowler, Friday, 3 February 2023 09:25 (one year ago) link

the durgnat is very good yes

(my book is on the other hand very short)

mark s, Friday, 3 February 2023 10:35 (one year ago) link

Such great film writing!

And such small portions!

the pinefox, Friday, 3 February 2023 12:26 (one year ago) link

Poster Dow, the film book I own that has most surprised people when they see it on the shelf is David Thomson's NICOLE KIDMAN. 'Why do you have a whole book on Nicole Kidman?'

The question Thomson would ask if he saw this is, "When did I write a whole book on Nicole Kidman?"

Chris L, Friday, 3 February 2023 12:40 (one year ago) link

Thanks all, incl for reminder about mark s book! Also about that film books thread.
I've never read anything by Thomson that made me want to read more, and that's from anthologies, can't imagine making it through a whole book. Just seems like a solemn slogger.
Think I'll look for a Cahiers du Cinéma collection with Godard etc.

dow, Friday, 3 February 2023 15:14 (one year ago) link

Thomson is pretty much the opposite of a solemn slogger.

More of a rogueish raconteur or mischievous mixer.

the pinefox, Friday, 3 February 2023 15:31 (one year ago) link

dow, it's post-Godard et al, but you can get two volumes of translated Cahiers articles from 68-73 - 'the red years' - as free PDF downloads:

https://monoskop.org/images/7/72/Fairfax_Daniel_The_Red_Years_of_Cahiers_du_cinema_1968-1973_vol_1_2021.pdf

Lots of foundational Marxist-Semiotic-Structuralist film criticism if that's yr thing.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 3 February 2023 15:43 (one year ago) link

Thomson has flaws, but he's not a slog.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 February 2023 15:51 (one year ago) link

i have a battered copy of the collected 1950s cahiers du cinema (neo-realism, hollywood, new wave, ed.jim hillier) which is useful for historical access to the thoughts of the nouvelle vague before and as they first started making films -- godard on truffaut's 400 coups etc -- tho not in my opinion for terrifically insightful critical writing (basically they were working towards a cinematic reset to allow themselves space to have success at making movies -- which they achieved! but we live in the wake of the reset and as a consequence much of it seems super-obvious). manny farber is a far better writer (and you already have negative space, which i was rereading and enjoying over christmas)

mark s, Friday, 3 February 2023 16:00 (one year ago) link

That Durgnat book seems kind of expensive these days, thinking of posting on the appropriate thread for such things.

And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 3 February 2023 16:05 (one year ago) link

TS: Termite vs. Elephant

And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 3 February 2023 16:06 (one year ago) link

challopsing for team white elephant like there's no tomorrow

mark s, Friday, 3 February 2023 16:09 (one year ago) link

I read a chapter or two of Bono's SURRENDER. He describes his wedding in 1982. Adam Clayton was best man. U2 played at the wedding party, presumably quite ramshackle, with guest appearances from other notable musicians like Paul Brady. The honeymoon was in Jamaica. When they arrived the housekeeper said 'Sting, great to see you again!'.

the pinefox, Friday, 3 February 2023 16:12 (one year ago) link

Now reminded of an Alan Clarke film I saw at the same place I went to see Berlin Alexanderplatz, MoMA, only the former didn't require nearly as much sitzfleisch, this being Elephant, which I believe was about The Troubles iirc.

And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 3 February 2023 16:14 (one year ago) link

Have mentioned it before on ILX, somewhere, but this is a v well done summary:

https://www.versobooks.com/books/1028-a-short-history-of-cahiers-du-cinema

Ward Fowler, Friday, 3 February 2023 16:16 (one year ago) link

the one i keep hearing recommendations for is, i think, The Zone, which is someone live-blogging Stalker

(googles...)
"Zona: On Andrei Tarkovsky’s 'Stalker' by Geoff Dyer"

koogs, Friday, 3 February 2023 16:54 (one year ago) link

some ppl like geoff dyer but i am not one of them

mark s, Friday, 3 February 2023 17:03 (one year ago) link

That Dyer book was not bad, but between insights there were too many winky "can you believe I'm writing a book about this super-obscure, super-difficult movie?!?" asides.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 3 February 2023 17:08 (one year ago) link

I went to see Dyer read from and talk about the book. This was fine. But I have never seen the film.

the pinefox, Friday, 3 February 2023 18:11 (one year ago) link

re 'live-blogging a film', I can recommend Jonathan Lethem's THEY LIVE (2010), except that it contains too many references to Zizek. Otherwise contains some very good material.

the pinefox, Friday, 3 February 2023 18:12 (one year ago) link

Cool, thanks also for all Cahiers tips, and I'll give Thomson another shot the next time he happens by, won't seek him out. Should seek out my copy of Farber on Film: The Complete Film Writings of Manny Farber: says it was purchased in 2013 and never read! Oh well, I've got Negative Space on brane.

dow, Saturday, 4 February 2023 02:37 (one year ago) link

Stevolende, you might like the listening companion to Love Saves The Day, though it's even more wide-ranging than I expected from reading the book. A time trip across the dance floor, but I got into most of it pretty quickly. Bandcamp has digital (flac or whatever you want, as usual), CD, vinyl, though I got CDs from Amazon (a 2-disc set; BC seems to have them sep?). Amazon had mp3 and vinyl as well (the vinyl's sometimes sold out on BC). The only free BC stream is Charles Earland's "Leaving This Planet," though there may be more on other sites.
(All of the listening companion for the equally excellent second book, Life & Death On A New York Dance Floor (1980 - 1983), can be heard for free on Bandcamp.)

dow, Saturday, 4 February 2023 04:02 (one year ago) link

Cool. Thanks. Podcast is quite good too.
Was going to copy the discography in the book to somewhere.

Will try to get to read the 2nd book.

This copy was apparently in a store for some reason. As soon as I get it it has a request lodged so I need to get through it fast.
Surprised it's in a store and therefore not in usual circulation. Would have thought existence of Podcast would mean some demand.
Podcast is Love Is The Message but author is one of 2 hosts.

Stevolende, Saturday, 4 February 2023 08:54 (one year ago) link

Second book better than the first, afaic, and gets into the recuperation of underground music culture into capitalist systems of extraction/exploitation in a way that isn’t didactic.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Saturday, 4 February 2023 12:42 (one year ago) link

yeah, I loved Life & Death On A New York Dance Floor

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 February 2023 13:44 (one year ago) link

After reading over half of NO FRIEND BUT THE MOUNTAINS, and 40-50pp of (tiresomely earnest and reverential) metatext by the translator and others, I'm bailing out on that book. But I can affirm that it improves as it goes, and chapter 8 is actually quite sharp on the management of carceral space, and the way that baffling, shifting regulations confuse and dismay prisoners. An odd detail, typical of this, is that the prisoner can receive half a glass of milk, but if the cook mistakenly pours slightly more than half a glass into the glass, then it becomes invalid and is set aside and wasted. Crazy.

I bought Michael Bracewell's UNFINISHED BUSINESS (2023) and have read the first chapter. Readable, enjoyable, and perhaps the prose is a bit better controlled than earlier Bracewell.

the pinefox, Saturday, 4 February 2023 15:09 (one year ago) link

xpost the other volume in TL's NYC triology: Hold On to Your Dreams: Arthur Russell and the Downtown Music Scene, 1973-1992 Romance of first part of that title well-balanced by research, incl. contending POvs, incl. great quotes.

dow, Saturday, 4 February 2023 19:17 (one year ago) link

Also expert social mapping, as Frank Kogan might put it.

dow, Saturday, 4 February 2023 19:19 (one year ago) link

I was quite impressed by The Best of Everything by Rona Jaffe. Not sure where I heard about this book, but seems like it deserves to be better known. Ofc there's a voyeuristic aspect to a middle-aged married dude like me reading about the romantic lives of 20-something single women in 1950s NYC, but the book is much tougher and smarter than that synopsis might suggest. Its remarkable how well the book anticipates so many themes that continue to resonate down to the present day. Jaffe sets herself a challenge by weaving together 4 independent stories with 4 main characters (though they all know each other through an office where they worked together), but she needs a big canvas to tell the story she's trying to tell, a story as much about society as it is about individual characters, in which resonances and patterns can accrue between different people's experiences.

o. nate, Saturday, 4 February 2023 20:41 (one year ago) link

Is it better than THE GROUP?

the pinefox, Sunday, 5 February 2023 09:17 (one year ago) link

A quarter through Gwendoline Riley's SICK NOTES (2004), I realise that though some of the writing is lively, the book is annoying. Its protagonist's ennui seems immensely self-indulgent and obnoxious. Question is, can I bail out of another book? I think I have to stay on and finish it.

the pinefox, Sunday, 5 February 2023 09:19 (one year ago) link

^^ My first Riley last year. I'm reading My Phantoms; almost done.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 February 2023 16:13 (one year ago) link

Is it better than THE GROUP?

I haven’t read The Group, though it’s been on my wishlist for a while. I guess that one was written about 10 years later, so would be interesting to compare.

o. nate, Sunday, 5 February 2023 16:48 (one year ago) link

Riley is wonderful. I will say, I had a better appreciation of her debut, Cold Water, having read the later novels first. The voice is there fully-formed from the beginning, but it’s easier to recognise what’s working when you know where she ends up, and the twentysomethinginess of those books is less distracting.

Anyway I think she’s very good at writing about miserable things and obnoxious people without leaning on self-deprecatory jokes to sweeten the prose, but also without turning it into a sadistic experience for the reader.

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 5 February 2023 23:32 (one year ago) link

Not sure anything in recent fiction has made me feel sadder than the bit in My Phantoms where the mum texts "bad haircut :(" to Bridget.

bain4z, Monday, 6 February 2023 08:46 (one year ago) link

o.nate, I had thought that THE GROUP was earlier! ... But you're right, 1963!

I am over halfway through SICK NOTES. It's mostly been very bad, very irritating, one of the worst novels I have read in a long time.

However, halfway through the book the protagonist meets a random American and begins a relationship of some kind with him. I have no idea yet how it ends. But I will give GR some credit for writing about intimacy: the sensations of being alone with this person for the first time, the tension, speculation, mutual interest. It's something that most people experience some time, but that perhaps I don't see convincingly written in fiction.

the pinefox, Monday, 6 February 2023 09:33 (one year ago) link

Started the second book of Kristin Lavransdatter. I'm not quite in love with it but it's very good. Simple but not overly plain writing, lots of visual descriptions of the landscape and weather, and clothes, and faces - as usual the latter never work with me and just make me picture mr potato head faces but that's on me. The translation means there are no thees or thous or doths to get in the way of picturing them as regular people who just happened to live 700 years ago.

ledge, Monday, 6 February 2023 14:13 (one year ago) link

Stayed up late for The Leopard last night on TCM, but bailed after about 90 minutes: even though the characters discussed the Revolution and options right up front, I kept craving more nuance x overall story-sense. Is the novel good? What translation is best?

dow, Monday, 6 February 2023 20:31 (one year ago) link

The whole film is a set-up for the final hour, one of the great extended scenes in film history!

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 6 February 2023 20:32 (one year ago) link

only if you watch it tho

mark s, Monday, 6 February 2023 20:33 (one year ago) link

Good to know. I expect the novel will also be centered around the Prince and his circle, but at least his commentary won't be dubbed staccato.

dow, Monday, 6 February 2023 20:36 (one year ago) link

one of the great extended scenes in film history!

is it an hour long slomo of a dog skin rug falling from a window?

ledge, Monday, 6 February 2023 20:40 (one year ago) link

I hope not, I liked the dogs!

dow, Monday, 6 February 2023 20:57 (one year ago) link

Perry Anderson (hope Mark S will appreciate that reference) wrote that the novel THE LEOPARD is the greatest historical novel of mid-C20 Europe. I believe he called it 'a glittering jewel on a pile of trash', the trash being other historical fiction.

the pinefox, Monday, 6 February 2023 21:14 (one year ago) link

B-but what about The Bethrothed? Recent translation is good, I've read*. Maybe he meant relatively recent historical novels, not ones that are themselves historical/considered Classics.
*This is appealing, and not paywalled at the moment: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/10/17/italys-great-historical-novel

dow, Monday, 6 February 2023 22:09 (one year ago) link

Betrothed, yes (even though it sounds wrong)

dow, Monday, 6 February 2023 22:10 (one year ago) link

I watched The Leopard, enthralled, for the third time last Memorial Day weekend.

Actually, the film deepens the novel.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 February 2023 22:22 (one year ago) link

Read Mansfield Park for the first time. A reactionary and humorless text. All the characters you’re supposed to admire seem like prigs Dickens would have had some fun with 40 years later.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 06:31 (one year ago) link

There's a certain sad fatalism in The Leopard, relating to some half baked ideas of the "essence" of spirit of southern Italy and its incompatibility with modernity. Get a lot of that in Portuguese fiction as well. It's an insiduous and damaging worldview, but I'll admite quite seductive in fiction.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 10:33 (one year ago) link


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