yeah that's part of it :/
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 16:07 (one year ago) link
I think Willie Nelson's got a lane pretty wide open to get in here
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 16:22 (one year ago) link
Willie Nelson - I'm surprised he isn't already in
― c u (crüt), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 16:25 (one year ago) link
I pretty much assume he's in in a walk similar to Dolly last year. And if Maiden gets in as is right I want them to duet on "On the Road Again."
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 16:28 (one year ago) link
If Willie Nelson does not get in I will lose all respect for this storied institution.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 16:30 (one year ago) link
Did you guys watch Dolly’s “rock ‘n’ roll” song at the end of last year’s ceremony?
― listened to "Mississippi" one take too long (morrisp), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 16:32 (one year ago) link
I think the Joy Division/New Order grouping is okay--for the reason Tarfumes gave, and also because it's an American institution, and Joy Division didn't have the impact there that they did in Britain, so it's a way to acknowledge them, even though it's probably more of a New Order nomination. I've said many times in these threads that a British HOF, with Slade and the Jam and the Pet Shop Boys, etc., would be really interesting.
I think the Stranger Things/"Running Up That Hill" thing will help Kate Bush. So: Cramps 2024!
― clemenza, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 16:45 (one year ago) link
Maiden deserves their own hall of fame, they transcend this institution.
― I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE DIAPER GOT LOOSE (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 16:46 (one year ago) link
I think the Stranger Things/"Running Up That Hill" thing will help Kate Bush.
― clemenza, Wednesday, February 1, 2023 11:45 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
don't really get this. even if she doesn't get in this time, the hoopla has undoubtedly helped her establish her bonafides as an artist that carries serious cultural and commercial weight, especially in the u.s.
― sault bae (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 16:51 (one year ago) link
So you also think it will help her? I'm confused.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 16:53 (one year ago) link
no idea how they'll fit the entire Maiden experience into whatever dusty corner of the Hall they shove them into. for one of the defining acts of the genre to be on the waiting list, ugh....foo fighters being enshrined before them is like collective soul getting in while led zep remains locked out.
― omar little, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 16:54 (one year ago) link
if i had five: kate bush, iron maiden, joy division/new order, willie, tribe
i'm assuming of course the reality is it'll be sheryl crow, cyndi lauper, rage, soundgarden, white stripes
― omar little, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 16:56 (one year ago) link
― clemenza, Wednesday, February 1, 2023 11:53 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
yes it will definitely help her, even if it means she gets in another time, not this year
― sault bae (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 16:56 (one year ago) link
i'm pro-soundgarden, tbh
― omar little, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 16:57 (one year ago) link
also realizing i misread your post and thought you said it wouldn't help her lol xp to clemenza
― sault bae (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 16:57 (one year ago) link
from what I can know about him based on his work, writing style etc etc, I dislike Bill Wyman. He is one of those chicago area rockist he —or maybe neo-rockist— dudes like Dero and Greg Kot who like ROCK, don't seem to understand anything beyond that, and when they try to present an understanding of hip-hop or pop music or anything else, appear very "HELLO FELLOW KIDS" and seem to be unduly influenced by Dave marsh…
I used to read Wyma in the late '80s/early '90s, but his schtick was mostly propping up a kind of phony "authenticity" -- he absolutely trashed Truth Or Dare (and Madonna in general) for the film's supposed lack of "honesty," and there was some not-exactly-subtle misogyny in said trashing (I never got a Marsh vibe from Wyman in the least, and Marsh loved Truth Or Dare). Wyman is indeed hapless outside of (and often inside) his little box of "rock." On one episode of Sound Opinions he went on about how "free jazz" is "when you do what you want and you don't listen to the other musicians." To their credit, the co-hosts tried to correct him and rein him in, but Wyman kept digging. (See also his bizarre contention that "Rock Lobster" was not influenced by Yoko Ono, despite the B-52s explicitly and frequently stating otherwise.)
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 16:58 (one year ago) link
I think we can all (mostly) agree that all nominees deserve to be in some manner of hall of fame, but when I think about the R&RHOF it seems like the whole point is the ceremony, which implies the live performance, and a "classy" opportunity/excuse for certain people/combinations of people to perform one more time/pay tribute to people that have passed that are responsible for celebrated music...
And in that spirit I would be excited about maybe Kate Bush agreeing to sing on television once more, or Meg White playing the drums one more time, or Soundgarden with guest singers ala the Nirvana induction which I thought was excellent, or a similar kinda thing with George Michael, but y'know give all these people their flowers imo
― Florin Cuchares, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:04 (one year ago) link
Just want to point out that Link Wray is still not in. Not under "musical excellence," not an "early influence," nothing.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:08 (one year ago) link
He is one of those chicago area rockist he —or maybe neo-rockist— dudes like Dero and Greg Kot who like ROCK
Beside the point of your post, but this is a little unfair to Kot. He's perhaps typical of critics of his generation in his affection for rock music and assuming its place in the center of the critical discourse, but he doesn't venerate the values of RAWK the way DeRo does, and his tastes are considerably more eclectic; he routinely champions other genres.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:10 (one year ago) link
when Cornell passed I listened to a ton of Soundgarden and that band was incredible, I hadn't really listened to them closely, but what a group of musicians.
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:12 (one year ago) link
xp (Like, the Charlotte Adigery album was in his top 5 last year.)
― jaymc, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:12 (one year ago) link
Soundgarden was so fuckin good, i spent a fair amount of time during the pandemic listening to them while holed up and they're better than anyone remembers, just a deep rich sound and with one of the great singers in rock music.
some of the rock bands that have made it in during their period of eligibility are embarrassing to think about in comparison.
― omar little, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:16 (one year ago) link
I think I posted this somewhere else, and it might be behind a paywall, but Marcus and Jon Landau talking about the HOF:
https://greilmarcus.substack.com/p/back-and-forth-with-jon-landau-on
(If it is behind a paywall, Landau has Link Wray on his list of 19 artists he thinks should be in. And he talks about the whole definition of "rock and roll" thing--Landau used to chair the nominating committee.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:16 (one year ago) link
Since you only get one vote here, I went with the Spinners. Not that they're necessarily the most obvious pick from that list, but they're the one that most should have been in long ago.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:21 (one year ago) link
Voted Iron Maiden
UP THE IRONS
― I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE DIAPER GOT LOOSE (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:34 (one year ago) link
Cyndi Lauper is an intersting 'problem' inasmuch as I agree that she basically only has the one fantastic and impactful album (although I also stan pretty hard for Blue Angel)...but it's actually pretty goddamn impressive that she's basically still considered a part of the '80s pop pantheon on the basis of that one album (plus 'True Colors') (plus the Pee-wee's Playhouse theme) (plus this).
― Beautiful Bean Footage Fetishist (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:37 (one year ago) link
haven't predicted who i think will get in, so i might as well go on the record: white stripes, willie nelson, george michael, kate bush, rage against the machine
foo fighters/dave grohl got in during their first year of eligibility, so i think there's no reason why white stripes/jack white won't. feels like those two guys are the prevailing torch-bearers for old school, capital-r rock these days
― sault bae (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:39 (one year ago) link
yeah plus jack white's done all sorts of stuff like that paramount records old time blues box set, etc
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:41 (one year ago) link
I got no problem with JD/New Order as a unit -- it's politics, man.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:43 (one year ago) link
Small relief that this year won't be as bad as last year.
The only nominee I would never consider is Sheryl Crow. Everyone else has something that makes their induction feel deserving.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:48 (one year ago) link
(And it's almost a given Crow will get in based on their recent inductees.)
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:49 (one year ago) link
Encyclopaedia Britannica has a single article on Joy Division/New Order (written by Jon Savage).
― jaymc, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:50 (one year ago) link
Among artists who had one album disproportionately successful compared to everything else they ever did, I'd be hard pressed to think of one that covers every pathway to the HOF--sales, chart success, critical acclaim, influence, impact and fame in a general cultural sense--better than She's So Unusual. Maybe I'm overlooking something.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:51 (one year ago) link
I agree w/birdistheword's initial comments re: Crow
― listened to "Mississippi" one take too long (morrisp), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:52 (one year ago) link
(and not just as a matter of taste – e.g., I loathe RATM, but get why they're "deserving")
― listened to "Mississippi" one take too long (morrisp), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:53 (one year ago) link
and now you do what they told ya
― sault bae (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:54 (one year ago) link
I think NO/JD gets in as The Cure broke the mold for these types of bands and Depeche Mode made it last year. George Michael and Soundgatden should also make it.
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 18:09 (one year ago) link
Soundgarden really took a stratospheric jump after Ben Shepherd joined the band. I mean, I love Louder Than Love, Ultramega O.K., all the early stuff, but they became a much more interesting and multi-faceted group after that. Largely due to his songwriting contributions as well as even some of the tunings
― I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE DIAPER GOT LOOSE (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 18:13 (one year ago) link
The only nominee I would never consider is Sheryl Crow. Everyone else has something that makes their induction feel deserving.I agree w/birdistheword's initial comments re: Crow
yeah but have y'all considered lightening up and/or soaking up the sun
― Florin Cuchares, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 18:16 (one year ago) link
Soundgarden, Lauper, and Sheryl Crow have got to be the least influential acts here, which is why I assume they'll get in.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 18:17 (one year ago) link
Yeah, nobody sounds like Soundgarden or cites them as an influence; they were a real one-off proposition, almost forgotten, really.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 18:40 (one year ago) link
Re: Nelson, I think Dolly Parton's instincts were correct. Both of them should be in, but rather than taking up a spot on the ballot, they should be committee inductions - except for Johnny Cash (who's unique given his time at Sun Records), country artists had been inducted that way anyway. I imagine it's just a way to drum up more PR - the months spanning the voting process probably gets a little more attention when Nelson or Parton are included in the conversation.
Re: Lauper, it really does come down to one amazing album. Twenty years ago I would've said She's So Unusual wasn't enough, but at this point, it's more than enough.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 18:54 (one year ago) link
Soundgarden were good and successful. In terms of notable bands really trying to sound like them, Nirvana and Pearl Jam inspired far more copycats. So did Rage, which is why I didn't mention them.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 19:13 (one year ago) link
does inspiration, like, have to mean 'created a lot of soundalike bands', as opposed to, inspired a lot of people to start making/recording music?
Soundgarden was a pastiche of a lot of 70s influences and they were definitely a band with buzz but not much more commercially, but their presence was gargantuan for a small period of time, and the excitement for their reunion was pretty high, King Animal was their third highest charting position in their career.
also when it comes to influence I find a lot of bands take a very narrow slice of a band's sound, for instance half of the time you hear someone say something is Alice in Chains influence, all it means is they have a high pitched raspy vocalist who likes to sing close harmonies, and Sabbath influence bands usually pull from like one album's sound (or even just a song).
Goo Goo Dolls messed around with weird tunings on their ballads starting with A Boy Named Goo after never doing it for years, maybe they were touched by the Garden.
― I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE DIAPER GOT LOOSE (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 19:22 (one year ago) link
Ok so if Lauper is to be defined as having just one great album (with at least five indelible songs)... one might point out that non-nerds (i.e., most of humanity) only know one (or perhaps two) Kate Bush songs.
― forbidden fruit salad (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 19:25 (one year ago) link
Not if you live in the UK.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 19:29 (one year ago) link
I'd be willing to hear the case that Soundgarden inspired a bunch of people to start bands. To me, they're in a weird spot. Their actual innovations seem relatively small, but they didn't suck. They were like the 3rd biggest Seattle band, and Kurt Cobain's rasp was trendier to emulate, and Vedder's Morrison-isms were easier, than Chris Cornell's howl. As far as making people money, they did do a lot to get the initial buzz going about Seattle.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 19:35 (one year ago) link
Pretty sure they were the first of that crowd I actually heard about, in my late 1988/early 89-era "I guess Rolling Stone is mostly where to find out about new music?" mind.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 19:40 (one year ago) link
God we've come far enough in time that the White Stripes are eligible. Sad stuff.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 19:44 (one year ago) link
Am a fan of:
Kate BushMissy ElliottJoy Division + New OrderGeorge Michael
Enjoy but more-so revere:
Rage Against The MachineThe SpinnersA Tribe Called Quest
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 19:46 (one year ago) link
None of these will get in for a while but here are the ones I think they'll eventually go for:
50 CentJohn MayerJennifer LopezLil Wayne
― Chris L, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 15:04 (three months ago) link
Coheed & Cambria are an emo/prog band with a huge cult following, basically Tool/NIN for millennials. Not my thing but I’m sure they’ll get voted in at some point.
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 17:36 (three months ago) link
Trapt is going in
― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 17:44 (three months ago) link
(xpost) I looked them up...They've had a few Top 10 albums, but in all honesty, they seem to have a somewhat narrow, genre-specific fan base. I know I don't keep up, but there's never been an inductee I've never even heard of. If you're right, I have to believe "at some point" means decades from now. I suspect there are a lot of more famous possibilities to get to first.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 17:50 (three months ago) link
One example among dozens, probably hundreds (listening to a sale CD I bought last week): TLC. Says here they've been eligible since 2018.
https://futurerocklegends.com/Artist/TLC/
(Their "HOF Indicators" are interesting--most are good, but the only critical barometer looks like the Rolling Stone list, so they'd need a lot more there, I'd say. And they definitely need to add something commercial/sales/chart-based.)
― clemenza, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 18:20 (three months ago) link
The last 50s-associated artists to be inducted were several backing bands in 2012. The last 60s-associated artists to be inducted were the Zombies in 2019. (Proper induction, not being snuck in a back door.) Can we assume that the Hall is done with adding acts that are primarily associated with those decades?
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 18:48 (three months ago) link
Probably, tho there are at least these perpetual snubees to consider (and how many years they've been eligible):
Johnny Burnette and the Rock N Roll Trio 42Connie Francis 40Jan & Dean 38Dick Dale 36Peter, Paul & Mary 36Toots & the Maytals 36Barry White 35Cher 33The Guess Who 33The Sonics 33Captain Beefheart 32Jim Croce 32Love 32The Monkees 32Scott Walker 32Tommy James & the Shondells 32Harry Nilsson 31Can 30Jethro Tull 30Silver Apples 30The Carpenters 29King Crimson 29Kool & the Gang 29Nick Drake 29Three Dog Night 29Diana Ross 28Emerson, Lake & Palmer 28Sparks 27Big Star 26Blue Öyster Cult 26Neu! 26The Pointer Sisters 25
― stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 18:53 (three months ago) link
I'd imagine The Monkees will get inducted before Jennifer Lopez and Lil Wayne ... but still probably after John Mayer
― stephen miller is not your friend (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 18:54 (three months ago) link
The Monkees are still the devil to these Rock Hall guys.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 18:58 (three months ago) link
Also Silver Apples won't get any acknowledgement in a million years.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 18:59 (three months ago) link
Top of the list: the Shangri-Las.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 19:18 (three months ago) link
^Yeah, they should be included in that "perpetual snubees" accounting...
― Godzilla Minus Zero/No Limit (morrisp), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 19:25 (three months ago) link
surprised Nick Drake never got in
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 19:30 (three months ago) link
He keeps emailing the hall asking why not
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 19:33 (three months ago) link
Wonder if Wenner was the main anti-Monkees zealot?
― Chris L, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 19:35 (three months ago) link
no ones' lol'ed at the idea of Ariel Pink in the RRHOF yet? Will be more likely to get a Presidential Medal of Freedom
― Expansion to Mackerel (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 20:12 (three months ago) link
Amazed that Dick Dale's not in.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 20:18 (three months ago) link
Dionne Motherfuckin' Warwick
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 20:22 (three months ago) link
Huh, I had not previously known her middle name.
― CthulhuLululemon (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 21:23 (three months ago) link
A psychic made her change it to "Motherfuckin'e"
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 21:58 (three months ago) link
walk on bydon'tfuck
― Disco Biollante (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 21:59 (three months ago) link
I recorded this from ABC a few days ago and watching parts of it now. Miguel, Adam Levine and Carrie Underwood are singing George Michael's songs. They're not bad at all but makes you realize that George Michael is one of a kind.
― Bee OK, Friday, 5 January 2024 04:15 (three months ago) link
I said the same thing! (My wife thought Miguel did a pretty good job…)
― Wooly Bully (2005 Remaster) (morrisp), Friday, 5 January 2024 04:16 (three months ago) link
Tom Morello speech from Rage Against the Machine was, by far, the best thing of this years show. Inspiring:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSf53xiYOg
― Bee OK, Friday, 5 January 2024 05:52 (three months ago) link