True.
― dow, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 17:42 (one year ago) link
haha that's one of those words that makes me stop reading a review. unless patti smith says it or something.
― Thus Sang Freud, Monday, January 30, 2023 3:58 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― Thus Sang Freud, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 17:44 (one year ago) link
Depending on the angle of the dangle.
― And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 17:44 (one year ago) link
"angular" in 1974 tho: critical first-use klaxon bid?
― mark s, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 17:46 (one year ago) link
That's what I was gonna say, is there an earlier documented use?
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 17:48 (one year ago) link
Gonna go add that to the Patti Smith wiki. "First known use of 'angular' to describe Tom Verlaine's guitar playing."
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 17:51 (one year ago) link
also first known use of "bluebirds" tbf
― mark s, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 17:53 (one year ago) link
here's the whole thing, fwiw:http://www.thewonder.co.uk/rckscene.htm
― Thus Sang Freud, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 17:54 (one year ago) link
"languid" and "angular" within a couple sentences of each other.
― Thus Sang Freud, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 17:56 (one year ago) link
Burn witch burn xxxp No! Stephen Stills! "Bluebird" singular, because it's an absolute!---ly killer track, grunting aside on that other take.
― dow, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 17:58 (one year ago) link
hmm did not want to give the impression i was taking down patti, if that's how it read.
― Thus Sang Freud, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 18:09 (one year ago) link
No prob with your observations, but I'm maybe gonna sic Tar on DW when she gets back.
― dow, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 18:17 (one year ago) link
i think i will see Tar after i am aloft the omega.
― Thus Sang Freud, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 18:24 (one year ago) link
Don't see it 'til you can see it for free, seriously! Check thread for details (Spoiler: we of ILE were not too thrilled.)
― dow, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 18:30 (one year ago) link
did no one use angular on the velvets
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 18:50 (one year ago) link
I think of the Velvets as more of a square wave.
Regardless, I always thought there should be more geometry in music criticism.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 18:56 (one year ago) link
there is room for both the pattis and deans in this thriving, very "now" lineage of guitar-based rock music
― ꙮ (map), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 19:01 (one year ago) link
Beefheart maybe?
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 19:23 (one year ago) link
Lester Bangs, Creem, March 1971.
In Lick My Decals Off, Baby (Straight Rs-6420) this vision is extended, and even though the sonic textures are sometimes even more complex and angular than on Trout Mask, the lyrics have taken an added universality, many of them stepping back a stride from the kaleidoscopic image-clusters of last year’s songs.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 19:32 (one year ago) link
Busted! Did Verlaine ever play keyboards or anything else other than guitar in the studio or shows?
― dow, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 19:33 (one year ago) link
He plays the keys on the first two Television albums, various other solo records. Don't think he ever played live though.
here's my hot take — "angular" is a fine way to describe certain bands/artists.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 19:36 (one year ago) link
I can imagine "angular" being used in jazz reviews before 1971 tbh.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 19:37 (one year ago) link
tyler otm. I don't mind angular either, it's useful to describe a certain kind of playing that doesn't sound like other kinds of playing: melodic, bluesy, beboppy aka "that Chinese music" etc.
― And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 19:42 (one year ago) link
I've made a career using angular.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 19:50 (one year ago) link
i don't think I'd call the VU "angular" though
― tylerw, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 19:51 (one year ago) link
No, nor I.
― And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 19:53 (one year ago) link
Wonder if anyone ever submitted a rejected jbr Christmas tune named "Angular Bells."
― And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 19:54 (one year ago) link
Heh, not on this borad, maybe, but elsewhere it exists.
― And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 19:55 (one year ago) link
Did Verlaine ever play keyboards or anything else other than guitar in the studio or shows?
― dow, T
He always played the keyboards. His 1984 album Cover is a synth-pop record.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 19:57 (one year ago) link
He had a good story about working out the interlocking guitar parts of "Venus" on the piano, I think he said it didn't make sense until he moved over to the keyboard.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 19:58 (one year ago) link
I don't know if I'd go that far as calling it "synth-pop". I'd be lying if I said I heard it before yesterday but the few times I've listened since then...it def has some 80s production hallmarks (tastefully), but it's still guitars up front.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 19:59 (one year ago) link
Sure, but it had more synths than any album before or after. He never attempted something like "O Foolish Heart," one of my favorite Verlaine jams.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN5qO2Gsyw0
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 20:00 (one year ago) link
listened to Warm and Cool on YouTube yesterday, what an amazing album, hard to find sadly.
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 31 January 2023 20:16 (one year ago) link
Though it would have obviously been...er "unlikely" I always wished Verlaine would have made a record like it with Quine, who recorded a very similar sort of instrumental record with Ikue Mori & Marc Ribot
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 21:00 (one year ago) link
^^ great great album, that Quine/Mori/Ribot. belongs in the "wide open desert music" thread.
― sleeve, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 21:01 (one year ago) link
Did anyone else besides me ever see The dBs cover "See No Evil"? For me this would have been at one of the two winter of 84-85 dates at The Grotto in New Haven.
― And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 00:23 (one year ago) link
is there a definitive book about Television?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 01:22 (one year ago) link
It would probably bore us, though how a boho figure like Verlaine lived in Manhattan despite making little money in Television is the kind of crinkle that always fascinates me.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 01:28 (one year ago) link
He was a superduper cheapskate pennypincher is what I heard but yeah.
― And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 01:38 (one year ago) link
you can't live in Manhattan just on being a pennypincher -- did he come from money?
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 01:57 (one year ago) link
Dunno. Don't think so. Maybe lived in the same rent-controlled apartment for decades?
― And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 02:13 (one year ago) link
Yeah, it's likely a combination of things. 1) Rent controlled apartment (very likely if he never moved), 2) he lived modestly, 3) probably had some money from family (didn't they enroll him in a prep school?), 4) probably made a decent amount of income from his music, maybe more from overseas sales (Television's albums did enter the top ten in the UK, I think his solo albums did better there too) plus licensing (his music does pop up occasionally on well-budgeted television shows and films).
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 02:29 (one year ago) link
Kate Pierson mentioned on FB that she and Verlaine lived in the same building for years.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 03:01 (one year ago) link
5) Those Television reunion gigs probably paid decently.
the 33 1/3 book about Marquee Moon is good and more or less covers their entire career in the 1970s — there could be more about Adventure, but it goes pretty far past MM.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 03:02 (one year ago) link
The 33 1/3 book plus the television section of from the velvets to the voidoids
― realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 03:46 (one year ago) link
yonki time is super annoying to me but i always put up with it just to hear his speaking voice. i don't even have anything to add about it, i just, y'know, used to like being able to hear what he sounded like before youtube immersed the world in omnivideo. ha i've never even gone to yt to see his interviews. it's yonki time w/e that means.
― normal AI yankovic (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 03:49 (one year ago) link
*realizes yt also stands for: YONKI TIME*
― normal AI yankovic (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 03:50 (one year ago) link
There’s a cool spoken word over improv track from the reunion album sessions, “The Revolution”, where you can get your fill. It was included at the end of The Miller’s Tale. Xpost
― realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 03:56 (one year ago) link
4a) and a bump in earnings every time Scary Monsters was reissued.
― visiting, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 04:21 (one year ago) link
... was about to say.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 07:50 (one year ago) link